"Black criminals and over stayers" targeted after prayers in Chanthaburi

[Rhys]

Kanye Syndrome

[Bangkok Herps]

On 10/10/2018 at 11:44 PM, tagalong said:

it's just discrimination of the black, same what they do with farangs, for sure we are next, so don't go to church

 

What a load of rubbish...U mean because they r black or white, they should not be singled out for visa checks....

 

The Thai Imm av every right to single out anyone, n any color....they want..in their country....If u av been following lately the blacks av a record which speaks for itself...

 

On 10/11/2018 at 12:12 AM, smew said:

Get rid off all the criminals no matter where you catch them, no matter what religion no matter what colour their skin. Bravo to the boys on brown !

 

On 10/11/2018 at 12:26 AM, p414 said:

In the late 60's in England many females were targetted by 'muggers' ..[a new word in England]..In ALL reported cases the assailants were described as 'coloured'..The police began stop and search of young blacks that were the children of immigrants.. The left wing screamed racial profiling.and stop and search was ended...Go to England and see the result.

 

 

Hard to believe we're in the 21st century and the casual racism can just flow like this. I only hope the three of you are from an earlier era and your children (if you have any) have grown up past these ridiculous tribal mindsets.

Racial profiling is idiocy because it is incredibly ineffective. Only a small % of any population is criminal, so if you engage in racial profiling you spend 90% of your time dealing with non-criminals while also turning those very non-criminals against you because they don't think you can be trusted. It wastes police resources and it makes future policing more difficult.

This isn't just true with race. The British learned this in the 1960s when they began treating the Irish Catholic community as a monolith at the beginning of The Troubles. It only made things worse - every escalation of community-based actions by the police ramped up the reaction of violence and led the community to solidarity with their own violent members. It wasn't until after they backed off and tried a different approach that any sort of resolution was possible.

Same thing happens anywhere that Black, Muslim, immigrant, etc. communities are profiled. 

This article just proved it. A total waste of police resources, no criminals were found, plus now you got a community that trusts the police that much less. The whole principle was SHOWN in the very incident we're supposed to be discussing, yet you're blind to facts.

And the dumb statement "blacks have a record which speaks for itself"....so do I look at all the terrible wars and dictators and violence in Japan, China, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, and Burma over the last 80 years, more dead in war and genocide than in any other region at any other point in history, and declare "Asians have a record which speaks for itself?" Or do I look slavery, oppression, genocide, and entire populations wiped out by colonial massacres on five different continents, more cross-racial oppression and violence by far than members of any other race have ever been guilty of, and say, "Whites have a record which speaks for itself"? No, I blame the individual persons and specific ideologies that led to those terrors. It would be stupid to blame an entire race. Mao, Hirohito, King Leopold, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot all killed more people than the worst Black person ever, and had tens of thousands or even millions of violent countrymen carrying out their agendas, but somehow their entire race doesn't get tagged with the stereotype by those people who only want to blame "the other".

Not to mention that grouping a stereotype by race is just factually inaccurate on any genetic or cultural level. There is more genetic diversity in Africa than in the rest of the world combined, you can find two South African groups (say the Zulu and the San) who are more distant relations than North Africans and Southern Europeans are to each other. And culturally, if you go to Ghana and then go to Somalia and believe that there is some close cultural connection, I don't know what you're looking at. It takes ignorance on all fronts to play into these particular racial divisions. 

[Bangkok Herps]

On 10/11/2018 at 6:59 AM, khaowong1 said:

The Thai Immigration authorities have all the right to check anyone that isn't Thai in their own country.  You can scream "racial profiling" all you want.  Who else are they going to check for visa's, some little old Thai lady?   

Are you saying that there are so few actual crimes in this country that the authorities have tons of free time to just go on fishing expeditions for hypothetical crimes?

 

Effective law enforcement works off of tips, reports, evidence, of ACTUAL crimes. When you profile, not only do you waste most of your time harassing people who haven't done anything, but the "criminals" that you do catch end up being the ones who weren't causing any real problems anyway. And you've lowered your chances of getting cooperation from those communities when real crimes are committed in the future.

You don't think there aren't tens of thousands of ACTUAL dangerous foreign criminals in Bangkok and elsewhere, engaged in human trafficking, large-scale drug trade, smuggling, and other crimes that actually hurt society? What do you think would do Thailand more good, the official who spends 100% of his time working to figure out who the actual bad guys are and hunting them down, or the official who checks the passports of 100 Black people at random hoping to find the one guy who overstayed his visa because he liked his life here, with all the incredible harm that visa overstayers do to society?

[sanemax]

1 hour ago, Bangkok Herps said:

Are you saying that there are so few actual crimes in this country that the authorities have tons of free time to just go on fishing expeditions for hypothetical crimes?

 

Effective law enforcement works off of tips, reports, evidence, of ACTUAL crimes. When you profile, not only do you waste most of your time harassing people who haven't done anything, but the "criminals" that you do catch end up being the ones who weren't causing any real problems anyway. And you've lowered your chances of getting cooperation from those communities when real crimes are committed in the future.

You don't think there aren't tens of thousands of ACTUAL dangerous foreign criminals in Bangkok and elsewhere, engaged in human trafficking, large-scale drug trade, smuggling, and other crimes that actually hurt society? What do you think would do Thailand more good, the official who spends 100% of his time working to figure out who the actual bad guys are and hunting them down, or the official who checks the passports of 100 Black people at random hoping to find the one guy who overstayed his visa because he liked his life here, with all the incredible harm that visa overstayers do to society?

Thats not really a balanced view .

Now , is it .

Huge exaggerations and makes a complete distortion of the reality 

[p414]

7 hours ago, Bangkok Herps said:

 

 

 

Hard to believe we're in the 21st century and the casual racism can just flow like this. I only hope the three of you are from an earlier era and your children (if you have any) have grown up past these ridiculous tribal mindsets.

Racial profiling is idiocy because it is incredibly ineffective. Only a small % of any population is criminal, so if you engage in racial profiling you spend 90% of your time dealing with non-criminals while also turning those very non-criminals against you because they don't think you can be trusted. It wastes police resources and it makes future policing more difficult.

This isn't just true with race. The British learned this in the 1960s when they began treating the Irish Catholic community as a monolith at the beginning of The Troubles. It only made things worse - every escalation of community-based actions by the police ramped up the reaction of violence and led the community to solidarity with their own violent members. It wasn't until after they backed off and tried a different approach that any sort of resolution was possible.

Same thing happens anywhere that Black, Muslim, immigrant, etc. communities are profiled. 

This article just proved it. A total waste of police resources, no criminals were found, plus now you got a community that trusts the police that much less. The whole principle was SHOWN in the very incident we're supposed to be discussing, yet you're blind to facts.

And the dumb statement "blacks have a record which speaks for itself"....so do I look at all the terrible wars and dictators and violence in Japan, China, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, and Burma over the last 80 years, more dead in war and genocide than in any other region at any other point in history, and declare "Asians have a record which speaks for itself?" Or do I look slavery, oppression, genocide, and entire populations wiped out by colonial massacres on five different continents, more cross-racial oppression and violence by far than members of any other race have ever been guilty of, and say, "Whites have a record which speaks for itself"? No, I blame the individual persons and specific ideologies that led to those terrors. It would be stupid to blame an entire race. Mao, Hirohito, King Leopold, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot all killed more people than the worst Black person ever, and had tens of thousands or even millions of violent countrymen carrying out their agendas, but somehow their entire race doesn't get tagged with the stereotype by those people who only want to blame "the other".

Not to mention that grouping a stereotype by race is just factually inaccurate on any genetic or cultural level. There is more genetic diversity in Africa than in the rest of the world combined, you can find two South African groups (say the Zulu and the San) who are more distant relations than North Africans and Southern Europeans are to each other. And culturally, if you go to Ghana and then go to Somalia and believe that there is some close cultural connection, I don't know what you're looking at. It takes ignorance on all fronts to play into these particular racial divisions. 

You obviously did not live in London in the late 50's through the 60's..Churchill ,in Parliament 1954 [yes] stated  'The biggest threat to Britain.at this time, is the prospect of mass coloured immigration'...[Churchill never forgot the debt he owed the working class..He started a bill to prevent this but unfortunately had to retire [ill health] before the bill was passed..Somehow Macmillan ,over the chosen Rab Butler, became P.M.  he also understood what would happen with mass coloured immigration but he detested the power and unity of the ,then ,all white working class.He threw out Churchill's bill and sent his minions to the west indies to recruit from those scavenging the trash heaps to eke out a 'living' and brought them in hundredsof thousand to civilized England..Purposely to destroy white unity....the men had no eal clothes and were all gien one oversized double breasted suit that had been mouldering in the army surplus stores since they were too big for our returning troops from the war....they wore this one suit till they rotted away.

[smew]

7 hours ago, Bangkok Herps said:

 

 

 

Hard to believe we're in the 21st century and the casual racism can just flow like this. I only hope the three of you are from an earlier era and your children (if you have any) have grown up past these ridiculous tribal mindsets.

Racial profiling is idiocy because it is incredibly ineffective. Only a small % of any population is criminal, so if you engage in racial profiling you spend 90% of your time dealing with non-criminals while also turning those very non-criminals against you because they don't think you can be trusted. It wastes police resources and it makes future policing more difficult.

This isn't just true with race. The British learned this in the 1960s when they began treating the Irish Catholic community as a monolith at the beginning of The Troubles. It only made things worse - every escalation of community-based actions by the police ramped up the reaction of violence and led the community to solidarity with their own violent members. It wasn't until after they backed off and tried a different approach that any sort of resolution was possible.

Same thing happens anywhere that Black, Muslim, immigrant, etc. communities are profiled. 

This article just proved it. A total waste of police resources, no criminals were found, plus now you got a community that trusts the police that much less. The whole principle was SHOWN in the very incident we're supposed to be discussing, yet you're blind to facts.

And the dumb statement "blacks have a record which speaks for itself"....so do I look at all the terrible wars and dictators and violence in Japan, China, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, and Burma over the last 80 years, more dead in war and genocide than in any other region at any other point in history, and declare "Asians have a record which speaks for itself?" Or do I look slavery, oppression, genocide, and entire populations wiped out by colonial massacres on five different continents, more cross-racial oppression and violence by far than members of any other race have ever been guilty of, and say, "Whites have a record which speaks for itself"? No, I blame the individual persons and specific ideologies that led to those terrors. It would be stupid to blame an entire race. Mao, Hirohito, King Leopold, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot all killed more people than the worst Black person ever, and had tens of thousands or even millions of violent countrymen carrying out their agendas, but somehow their entire race doesn't get tagged with the stereotype by those people who only want to blame "the other".

Not to mention that grouping a stereotype by race is just factually inaccurate on any genetic or cultural level. There is more genetic diversity in Africa than in the rest of the world combined, you can find two South African groups (say the Zulu and the San) who are more distant relations than North Africans and Southern Europeans are to each other. And culturally, if you go to Ghana and then go to Somalia and believe that there is some close cultural connection, I don't know what you're looking at. It takes ignorance on all fronts to play into these particular racial divisions. 

What a load of crap... you actually believe anyone red your verbal diarrhea!....

 

You go on and on ....,,Simply put it get rid off all criminals no matter what .....

[sanemax]

7 hours ago, Bangkok Herps said:

Or do I look slavery, oppression, genocide, and entire populations wiped out by colonial massacres on five different continents, more cross-racial oppression and violence by far than members of any other race have ever been guilty of, and say, "Whites have a record which speaks for itself"?

Lets not forget that slavery was going on between Africa and Arabia , long before Europeans get involved .

   Africans were also involved in the slavery process involving Europeans , by doing the selling .

   It was also Europeans that outlawed slavery , put a stop to it

[blackhorse]

Catholic Cathedral, not just a Church and it's packed on Mass days. Sadly many Farangs have no religion these days and fall back onto Buddism  philosophy. 

Most of us don't believe in Santa clause either

[DavCurtis]

On 10/11/2018 at 10:34 AM, webfact said:

"Black criminals and over stayers" targeted after prayers in Chanthaburi

This title is way out of proportion. You complain of the thai authorities being bias, but your writers and editors are no different.

Before writing and up to the point of publishing this article you already knew they found no black criminals or overstayers after the raid. 

Exactly why would y'all go ahead and publish a title like this?

[yogi100]

On 10/11/2018 at 8:26 AM, p414 said:

In the late 60's in England many females were targetted by 'muggers' ..[a new word in England]..In ALL reported cases the assailants were described as 'coloured'..The police began stop and search of young blacks that were the children of immigrants.. The left wing screamed racial profiling.and stop and search was ended...Go to England and see the result.

 

It's all stopped now. Take a walk round any inner London working class residential area and you'll see why. There's very few white women of any age left to mug! They've fled in fear.

[p414]

On 10/14/2018 at 2:23 PM, yogi100 said:

It's all stopped now. Take a walk round any inner London working class residential area and you'll see why. There's very few white women of any age left to mug! They've fled in fear.

How would any young female fare now walking as well dressed as they did in the 60's  in London?..The girls were beautifully dressed but now would be considered 'looking for it' by todays immigrants and their offspring.It was a pleasure to walk the high streets in 60's London...My sister used to stand ,often alone,after 10 pm waiting for a bus in Bruce grove tottenham after leaving the ballroom there .She

would be wearing a light mac over her ball gown..It never occurred to her [or any of us] that she would be in any danger

 

[yogi100]

38 minutes ago, p414 said:

How would any young female fare now walking as well dressed as they did in the 60's  in London?..The girls were beautifully dressed but now would be considered 'looking for it' by todays immigrants and their offspring.It was a pleasure to walk the high streets in 60's London...My sister used to stand ,often alone,after 10 pm waiting for a bus in Bruce grove tottenham after leaving the ballroom there .She

would be wearing a light mac over her ball gown..It never occurred to her [or any of us] that she would be in any danger

 

And still the politicians tell us of how we've benefited from immigration, how our society and health service would collapse without immigrants and how immigrants benefit the economy.

 

It makes you wonder how we ever managed before and how Britain was actually referred to as Great Britain during an era that is now gradually being vilified and erased from our history often by those responsible for educating our children and young people.

[Bangkok Herps]

On 10/13/2018 at 3:34 PM, sanemax said:

Thats not really a balanced view .

Now , is it .

Huge exaggerations and makes a complete distortion of the reality 

Name the "huge exaggerations" and "complete distortion of reality" in that post.

 

 

 

On 10/13/2018 at 9:22 PM, smew said:

What a load of crap... you actually believe anyone red your verbal diarrhea!....

 

You go on and on ....,,Simply put it get rid off all criminals no matter what .....

 

Did you miss the part where the black people being harassed weren't criminals?

 

 

 

On 10/13/2018 at 9:17 PM, p414 said:

You obviously did not live in London in the late 50's through the 60's..Churchill ,in Parliament 1954 [yes] stated  'The biggest threat to Britain.at this time, is the prospect of mass coloured immigration'...

Churchill repeatedly proved his racist attitudes, thinking nothing of killing tens of thousands of Kenyans and Malaysians to maintain colonial rule, not to mention the disaster in India and his lack of concern while millions died there. He was an inspiring figure during wartime, but I would think that the guy who was praising Franco, Hitler, and Mussolini in the 1930s isn't the sort of figure whose opinion on general matters you should take as definitive.

 

As each generation passes, the strongholds of your kind of racism diminish. We're seeing the last gasps now. 

[smew]

14 hours ago, Bangkok Herps said:

Name the "huge exaggerations" and "complete distortion of reality" in that post.

 

 

 

 

Did you miss the part where the black people being harassed weren't criminals?

 

 

 

Churchill repeatedly proved his racist attitudes, thinking nothing of killing tens of thousands of Kenyans and Malaysians to maintain colonial rule, not to mention the disaster in India and his lack of concern while millions died there. He was an inspiring figure during wartime, but I would think that the guy who was praising Franco, Hitler, and Mussolini in the 1930s isn't the sort of figure whose opinion on general matters you should take as definitive.

 

As each generation passes, the strongholds of your kind of racism diminish. We're seeing the last gasps now. 

Non criminals being harassed, (collateral casualties, well so be it)I am sure they had plenty of free time, if your legal and have a copy of your passport/visa no biggie for me, nothing to sweat about! If so innocent then why running away one should ask!

 

Churchill was somehow racist, ( sign of that time) but was he wrong?, merit based immigration no matter where you from is the way to allow permanent entries, otherwise have nothing but laziest come in putting incredible strain on your social programs contributing to crime and other vises, and hence your taxed to the hilt!