Somkid Jatusripitak To Become New President Of Coordinating Committee On Foreign Economy

[Jai Dee]

PAD demands Somkid to resign as sufficiency economy envoy

The People's Alliance for Democracy Tuesday called on Somkid Jatusripitak to immediately resign as chairman of a special committee in charge of preaching sufficiency theory.

But the PAD stopped short of saying what measures it would take if its demand was not met.

The PAD made the demand after its five decision makers held a meeting at the Manager Group's head office.

Sondhi Limthongkul, a PAD decision maker, said the PAD had several measures to pressure Somkid but the PAD would not announce them now.

Source: The Nation - 20 February 2007

[soandso]

Just about time that someone speaks up against this smeary guy who turns 180 degrees without even changing his underpants.

How can someone who yesterday promoted greed and capitalism turn into the prophet for self sufficiency just overnight?

Must be one of the miracles this strange concept is able to perform...

[Tony Clifton]

Rumor on ASTV this evening was that he has already submitted his resignation today and should be officially announced tomorrow.

A press conference where he could have explained his late resignation from TRT and his decision to join the interim government would have been a wise move, instead he got flak right from the start.

Edited February 20, 2007 by Tony Clifton

[sriracha john]

Somkid may resign from his government post

Former finance minister upset at attack over his new role; will make statement today in response to demands he quit

Somkid Jatusripitak, who was appointed as an economic envoy for the government late last week, looks likely to resign from the post today amid growing political pressure, sources said last night.

A source close to him said yesterday that Somkid had become unhappy at the growing criticism about his new assignment by Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont.

Pimol Srivikorn, a former Thai Rak Thai Party MP for Bangkok, said Somkid would hold a press conference late this morning at the Intercontinental Hotel to talk about the matter.

Somkid was the economic architect for the former government.

Earlier yesterday, the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) called for Somkid's resignation.

The PAD also warned of rising tensions if the new government continued to welcome individuals associated with ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra.

The group called on Surayud to heed the lesson of Somkid's appointment and avoid making further controversial decisions involving the Thaksin regime before consulting the public.

"By a unanimous decision of its five members, the PAD is opposed to Somkid's appointment, which it views as cause for social division," PAD spokesman Suriyasai Katasila said.

Suriyasai said Somkid's track record would trigger confusion over the government's policy direction.

Somkid was the key proponent of "Thaksinomics", which he said was the opposite of the sufficiency economy theory. Somkid was also linked to a graft inquiry relating to the rubber sapling scandal, he said.

"Somkid has never shown any remorse for his involvement in the Thaksin regime nor his role in the free-trade negotiations with China and Australia, which triggered many negative impacts for the country," Suriyasai said.

PAD member Sondhi Limthongkul said he did not approve of Somkid's comeback, as suggested in the press.

"I haven't met with Somkid for more than two years, yet some newspapers skewed their reports to depict my blessing for him," Sondhi said.

Sondhi said Somkid exploited him in order to return to the political limelight.

PAD member Somkiart Pongpaiboon said Somkid was a two-faced politician, who pretended to advocate sufficiency economy while supporting instead populist policies, as advocated by the previous regime.

In its statement, the PAD vowed to continue exerting pressure until its demand for Somkid's resignation was met.

However, Council for National Security chairman General Sonthi Boonyaratglin said the clash of views over Somkid's appointment would dissipate.

"I don't anticipate street protests against Somkid to happen like the anti-Thaksin rallies last year," he said.

Sonthi dismissed speculation that events leading to the September 19 coup would happen again. "I don't think I am ready for another power seizure," he said.

Lawmaker Prapan Koonmee said yesterday Surayud was duped by a scam hatched by big business to appoint Somkid, who is seen as a successor of the Thaksin Shinawatra regime.

"Unknown to the prime minister, a group of big capitalists planned to secure a comeback for Somkid in the past two months," Prapan said.

Prapan said he quit his two responsibilities last week as a government whip and a publicity campaigner to highlight the government's performance, although he retains his position in the National Legislative Assembly (NLA).

He blamed Surayud for making a hasty decision without consulting concerned parties.

"By bringing back Somkid, the prime minister has demonstrated a lack of understanding for public sentiment," he said.

Prapan claimed that market leaders for alcoholic beverages, consumer products and agro-food industry and a capitalist who developed the land where the prime minister's residence is located had conspired for the return of Somkid.

These capitalists wanted to pave the way for Somkid to protect their vested interests after the exit of Thaksin, he said. A former newspaper columnist had helped by plotting a publicity blitz to portray Somkid in a favourable light.

With his new position, Somkid gained undue standing in society and his association with the government was like a shield to being investigated for myriad graft violations that happened while he was in power, he said.

Meanwhile, the NLA is coordinating with the PM's Office to schedule a debate on Somkid's appointment, setting a venue for a possible rebuttal by Surayud.

The Nation

[Martin]

Well, the Democrats and the rest of PAD would try this one, wouldn't they?

They didn't demonstrate against Thaksin to do Thailand good by getting rid of Thaksin. Although getting rid of Thaksin may have been good for Thailand, it was only a step on the way for the Democrats to get power for themselves that they couldn't get via the ballot box.

So they are now trying to undermine the CNS, who got power by popular acclaim.

I don't see Somkid as a 'turncoat', any more than I see a British senior civil servant, who served well in putting Conservative policies into action, as a 'turncoat' for putting Labour policies into action after Labour have won a General Election.

It is western-centric to bring our views that were formulated for western 'democracy' and howl if they are not followed in the Thai culture.

In Thailand's culture, at the present stage of its evolution, a Government that has the legitimacy of election can be (IMO, should be) served (as Somkid served Thaksinonomics).

Equally, a Government that has the legitimacy of popular acclaim can be (IMO, should be) served (as Somkid will serve Sufficiency).

Had Somkid argued and worked against Sufficiency under Thaksin, there would have been validity in accusing him of being a 'turncoat'. But he never did, because Thaksinonomics and Sufficiency are not an "either...., or...." choice.

And Somkid is an excellent choice of mouthpiece to explain that the application of Thaksinomics goes on, in sensible proportion, and also a new thing (a proportion of Sufficiency) is being built up.

Since Sufficiency is a new thing (or an old thing that the West has forgotten), it needs such an appropriate mouthpiece to go around explaining it.

(Though it is only to the middle generations that it needs to be explained. My generation remembers it, and my greatgrandchildren know about it from school. Last year, I saw an excellent display of children's work showing their understanding of it on the wall of a school's Humanities Department corridor, near the Geography and History rooms.)

I wish Somkid well in his work.

And I hope the middle generations of westerners overcome their wish to cling to the economic-mix of the recent past that they know, and realise that they have to let it go, because it no longer works in these changed times.

The historians of the future will look back and say:

"Well, Thailand got on the right lines in the Fall/Autumn of 2006.

Thailand was only a small country, with only the population-size of the UK and the land-area-size of France.

But, fortunately, the Thais were as bright as the Brits and the French and their brightness sparkled from somewhat differently-oriented facets, so they could see what was needed, got on with doing it, and explained what they were doing to those who needed help to see the way forward."

Go, Somkid, go!!! (on with your work, not into retirement from the fray).

[soandso]

Sorry, but I can't agree with you, Martin.

It's about time that even bureaucrats like Somkid have to take responsibility for their actions and develop some sense of being accountable for what they do.

Would you have allowed Adolf Eichmann to use his skills to "organise" the Holocaust to help rebuilding Germany after World War II?

I know this comparison is overdone but I hope you understand what I mean.

Politics are all about credibility and responsibility in the first place (success has to be based on credibility) and bureaucrats are part of this. "Turncoats" don't help to achieve these in the current situation.

Surely it would be a Thai way to integrate a former opponent in order to achieve a new harmony. And surely it would be a Thai way not to take responsibility for mistakes.

But we all know that this concept of harmony and being "one" is just an illusion or – even more – a misguided perception of reality due to an educational overdose of patriotism, unity and glorified past.

The current military leaders claim to want "democracy", so they have to stick to the underlying (western) concept. You can't change the essence but keep the name.

So please don't talk about "democracy" in Thailand! Thailand never had it until now and I'm afraid people won't get it in the next decades to come because the leaders don't want the whole deal!

I do admit that the concept of "democracy" is maybe not suitable for Asian cultures and societies anyway. But then they should not use the term and not promise something to the people which the leaders are not actually willing to give!

The concept of "sufficiency" is much more philosophical than economic. People have to understand this and they don't need economic but moral education!

"Sufficiency" has to be a personal way of the individual. It has to be taught and learned. It depends on a society where all people are equal and have basically the same opportunities in life. Making money and being rich has to be judged by the way of achieving this and not by the result.

All this is not the case in Thailand and therefore the whole concept is wishful thinking. What do you think would have happened to this approach if it was someone else's idea?

Can you really imagine this to come true in Thailand where being a good soul is easy to be achieved by wearing a yellow shirt on Mondays?

I do understand your point of view and I understand that people (unfortunately mostly elderly) want to remind the young on the "real" values in life, but they tend to glorify the past as something it never was in reality. Being old leads to misconceptions of reality as well as being young leads to be too hasty in wanting things to change.

Today's Thai leaders can be accused of both at the same time.

Making people take responsibility (Thaksin, Somkid …) and putting justice for all above harmony should be one of the first things to work on …

[Plus]

Had Somkid argued and worked against Sufficiency under Thaksin, there would have been validity in accusing him of being a 'turncoat'. But he never did, because Thaksinonomics and Sufficiency are not an "either...., or...." choice.

It's only in the past couple of months that "sufficiency" has become the opposite of "Thaksinomics". Many TRT's policies were as "sufficient" as ever possible - Village funds, Otop, SML - they all would perfectly fit under sufficiency banner. The problem was that in practice they were deisgined only to bring votes and not promote wisdom, moderation and immunity.

Bangladeshis, btw, recently got a Nobel Prize for their "village funds" - Gramin Bank.

What was Somkid's role in all this? Was he, like Thaksin, only interested in getting votes, or was he interested in making policies really work? I don't have a definite opinion on this. I personally tend to think he was more of Gramin than Thaksin but to others they are all the same.

And Somkid is an excellent choice of mouthpiece to explain that the application of Thaksinomics goes on, in sensible proportion, and also a new thing (a proportion of Sufficiency) is being built up.

I think he had an excellent chance to reconcile the policies of the previous government with sufficiency theory but he blew it - it looks like his first speech will be reading his resignation letter. Apparently in public eyes he is not to be trusted, just like Thaksin. And then there are all the corruption scandlas he is implicated in.

Still, someone has to do it - explain how Thaksin usurped perfect "sufficiency" policies to his own ends so they don't need to be stopped, just put in line with their oiginally declared goals.

On the subject of global growth - the US, with only 4% of world population, consumes 25% of world's resources. It is simply not possible for the rest of the world to follow the same development path. At one point, and it will come rather sooner than later, there will be no more room for expansion left - all unitilised resources will be gone or spoken for.

[cclub75]

Done. He has resigned.

1 week between his appointement and his resignation... He should have a place on the Thai Guinness Book of Records....

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingne...newsid=30027450

[Meerkat]

So they are now trying to undermine the CNS, who got power by popular acclaim.

Eh? I thought they got power by the barrel of a gun, in direct opposition to popular acclaim.

[hammered]

It seems like there are some interesting politcal manouvers going on right now as the politcal classes position themselves for the next election.

[Martin]

"Eh? I thought they got power by the barrel of a gun, in direct opposition to popular acclaim. "

Those barrels were merely convenient flag poles for the yellow garlands tied round them.

The yellow garlands were the message, not the gun barrels, in what was purely/merely a piece of political theatre.

My guess is that they made sure there would be no cock-up by not issuing any ammo.

Look back at the newspapers, and even the archives of forums such as this. The coup was greeted with universal acclaim.

Even the "Thais are all idiots" brigade of farangs were cheering for once.

There was not even a murmur of opposition, nor any indication that anybody would have wished to express any opposition. It was the strongest expression of popular acclaim that I can imagine.

[Jai Dee]

Somkid resigns

Somkid Jatusripitak Wednesday announced his resignation as sufficiency economy envoy, late than a week after his appointment.

Somkid, former finance minister for the Thaksin government, held a press conference at Siam Intercontinental Hotel to announce his resignation.

He said he wanted to show through his resignation that reconciliation must be given priority to in this time of political crisis.

Somkid was appointed late last week as chairman of a special committee in charge of preaching sufficiency economy to the world.

Critics and action groups, especially the People's Alliance for Democracy, cried foul over his appointment, saying he was economic architect of the Thaksin government and staunch supporters of the Thakisonmics.

But Somkid told the press conference that he held opposite way of thinking with former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

He said he could not resign from the Thakin government because he was in charge of economic affairs and could not leave the country's economy to be in crisis.

He said he appreciated Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont for giving him a chance to serve the country as the sufficiency theory envoy. He said Surayud himself proved that he wanted to have reconciliation by appointing him to the post.

Somkid said he volunteered to work for the country to explain the sufficiency theory after foreign media attacked the theory and caused misunderstanding to foreign countries.

"I would like to end the conflict here and do not want the conflict to become a burden of the prime minister. So, I decide to withdraw myself to end the conflict," Somkid told the press conference.

"I know that if I stay on, the prime minister will protect me but what good it will do for the country?"

He said he could still serve the country without a position.

Source: The Nation - 21 February 2007

[Jai Dee]

Somkid Jatusripitak wais during a press conference on Wednesday as he announced his resignation as chief of economy envoy. He said he would like to end the conflict incurred from his appointment and did not want the conflict to become a burden of the prime minister.

Source: The Nation - 21 February 2007

[Jai Dee]

Chart Thai respects the resignation of Dr. Somkid

Chart Thai Party agrees with Dr. Somkid Jatusripitak’s resignation from the government following his recent appointment as the chairman of the responsible for promoting the sufficiency economy theory to the international community. Chart Thai Party however would like Dr. Somkid to reveal the true objective of PTV, a TV station run by former Thai Rak Thai Party members.

Chart Thai deputy leader Somsak Prisananantakul appreciates Dr. Somkid for deciding to walk out of the chairman’s position because Mr. Somsak considers that Dr. Somkid respects the feelings of the general public, and this is one of the qualifications of a good politician. Moreover, Mr. Somsak said Chart Thai leader Banharn Silpa-archa’s comment on Dr. Somkid was made because he would like to caution him since they have respect for each other. Mr. Somsak said Mr. Banharn was not jealous as Mr. Sophon Phetsawang claimed earlier.

The Chart Thai deputy leader said although PTV is another alternative for public members to receive more news and information, the station operators need to show their intentions clearly so people would know whether PTV will provide constructive programmes or aims to discredit the government.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 21 February 2007

[Meerkat]

"Eh? I thought they got power by the barrel of a gun, in direct opposition to popular acclaim. "

Those barrels were merely convenient flag poles for the yellow garlands tied round them.

The yellow garlands were the message, not the gun barrels, in what was purely/merely a piece of political theatre.

My guess is that they made sure there would be no cock-up by not issuing any ammo.

Look back at the newspapers, and even the archives of forums such as this. The coup was greeted with universal acclaim.

Even the "Thais are all idiots" brigade of farangs were cheering for once.

There was not even a murmur of opposition, nor any indication that anybody would have wished to express any opposition. It was the strongest expression of popular acclaim that I can imagine.

Ah, apologies. I didn't realise you were being sarcastic in your earlier post.

[sriracha john]

Somkid resigns

"I know that if I stay on, the prime minister will protect me but what good it will do for the country?"

He said he could still serve the country without a position.

Source: The Nation - 21 February 2007

It'll be interesting to see just how and with whom he lines up with now, assuming his "career" has not been completely soiled by all of this.

He said he could not resign from the Thakin government because he was in charge of economic affairs and could not leave the country's economy to be in crisis.

Having some difficulty with this part of his farewell. Thailand is in more of an economic crisis now... and yet previously he "couldn't" resign.

To have heard the Thaksin boys during their time, the economy was always going great.

[Jai Dee]

PM suspends advisory panel as Somkid quits

Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont on Wednesday suspended the new economic advisory panel, after a former deputy to deposed premier Thaksin Shinawatra resigned from the team.

Somkid Jatusripitak had been named six days ago to lead the panel comprising some of the country's leading finance officials, who were assigned to restore investors' confidence in the Thai economy.

Somkid's appointment sparked an outcry amid supporters of the coup that ousted Thaksin, and drew threats of street protests.

"Now we have to think how we are going to solve this problem" of weak investors' confidence, Surayud said.

Analysts said Somkid's departure would only heighten investors' concerns about Surayud's handling of the Thai economy, which is showing signs of weakening.

Source: The Nation - 21 February 2007

[Scott]

Oh, oh, be careful. Someone referred to it as the "self-sufficiency economy". It's not. It's the "sufficiency economy." Several weeks ago some diplomat made the same mistake and was chastised for getting it wrong.

It seems that EVERYONE knows what self sufficiency is about, but only the Thai gov't understands the sufficiency economy and that is why it takes such high level people to explain it. First, to diplomats and foreign investors and then to the rest of us. Apparently the understanding is genetically encoded in Thai genes.

I, for one, envy those who can understand it.

[jumnien]

Long live the People Against Democracy PAD!

[samran]

Oh, oh, be careful. Someone referred to it as the "self-sufficiency economy". It's not. It's the "sufficiency economy." Several weeks ago some diplomat made the same mistake and was chastised for getting it wrong.

It seems that EVERYONE knows what self sufficiency is about, but only the Thai gov't understands the sufficiency economy and that is why it takes such high level people to explain it. First, to diplomats and foreign investors and then to the rest of us. Apparently the understanding is genetically encoded in Thai genes.

I, for one, envy those who can understand it.

As an economist would say: Producers making normal profits instread of monopoly profits ==> implication, reduction of barriers to freer trade in the domestic and external market place.

For individuals, investing in productive endevours, whether that be education, training or businesses which will over time raise the productivity level of thailand, rather than excessive over consumption of goods and services which will not help Thailand meet these goals.

For government: changing policy settings to decrease (or better regulate) monopolies, corruption and tariffs, and to invest in education.

[pete_r]

It seems that EVERYONE knows what self sufficiency is about, but only the Thai gov't understands the sufficiency economy and that is why it takes such high level people to explain it.

As an economist would say: Producers making normal profits instread of monopoly profits ==> implication, reduction of barriers to freer trade in the domestic and external market place.

For individuals, investing in productive endevours, whether that be education, training or businesses which will over time raise the productivity level of thailand, rather than excessive over consumption of goods and services which will not help Thailand meet these goals.

For government: changing policy settings to decrease (or better regulate) monopolies, corruption and tariffs, and to invest in education.

Nice post

[Tony Clifton]

A local hardware distributor clearly had no understanding of sufficiency.

He was monopolizing hardware sales in the area, using illegal tactics, holding back stock and inflating prices, threatening store owners who bought supplies outside the province or from potential local competitors, threatening competitors.

His business profits have dropped 100% last week when competitors got together and decide that one sufficient bullet through his numb skull and greedy brain would teach him about sufficiency.

[Scott]

So, I take it that this is another point that we (or I, at least) didn't understand. Greed is an integral part of the sufficiency economy.

And all foreigners should know that their part is to come, stay as short a period of time as possible but spend the most amount of money as you can. Then go home and leave us to our nationalistic and xenophobic ways.

[ThaiGoon]

So, I take it that this is another point that we (or I, at least) didn't understand. Greed is an integral part of the sufficiency economy.

And all foreigners should know that their part is to come, stay as short a period of time as possible but spend the most amount of money as you can. Then go home and leave us to our nationalistic and xenophobic ways.

You need help and some medication. Seriously.

[Plus]

That would go against "plan for the future" part of sufficiency.

[samran]

So, I take it that this is another point that we (or I, at least) didn't understand. Greed is an integral part of the sufficiency economy.

And all foreigners should know that their part is to come, stay as short a period of time as possible but spend the most amount of money as you can. Then go home and leave us to our nationalistic and xenophobic ways.

You need help and some medication. Seriously.

What do you take these days for paranoia?

[blaze]

It seems that EVERYONE knows what self sufficiency is about, but only the Thai gov't understands the sufficiency economy and that is why it takes such high level people to explain it.

As an economist would say: Producers making normal profits instread of monopoly profits ==> implication, reduction of barriers to freer trade in the domestic and external market place.

For individuals, investing in productive endevours, whether that be education, training or businesses which will over time raise the productivity level of thailand, rather than excessive over consumption of goods and services which will not help Thailand meet these goals.

For government: changing policy settings to decrease (or better regulate) monopolies, corruption and tariffs, and to invest in education.

Nice post

How is that different from the household, business and economic policies of Europeans? (I don't want to say Americans, because that is to invite a cartoon version of the rampant greed, corruption and disregard for children's education that some take as the American norm).

[A_Traveller]

Section from a BBC report re Somkid's resignation {Link below}

Gen Surayud, appointed as interim prime minister last October, has also been criticised in the Thai press for failing to tackle issues like corruption, a surge in violence in the mainly Muslim south and a lack of investor confidence.

The prime minister told the BBC that his lack of a popular mandate was holding him back from more decisive action.

"In an interim government you have all sides - all the politicians, all of the pressure groups who're trying to convince you that this is the right way of doing things," he said.

"But I have to watch and listen because I don't have any support base like a political party at all."

Gen Surayud said he was still confident that Thailand would return to an elected government by the end of the year.

Link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6382781.stm

[samran]

It seems that EVERYONE knows what self sufficiency is about, but only the Thai gov't understands the sufficiency economy and that is why it takes such high level people to explain it.

As an economist would say: Producers making normal profits instread of monopoly profits ==> implication, reduction of barriers to freer trade in the domestic and external market place.

For individuals, investing in productive endevours, whether that be education, training or businesses which will over time raise the productivity level of thailand, rather than excessive over consumption of goods and services which will not help Thailand meet these goals.

For government: changing policy settings to decrease (or better regulate) monopolies, corruption and tariffs, and to invest in education.

Nice post

How is that different from the household, business and economic policies of Europeans? (I don't want to say Americans, because that is to invite a cartoon version of the rampant greed, corruption and disregard for children's education that some take as the American norm).

In theory, not very different. What does it mean practically in my view?

- lower tariff barriers (not an EU specialty). Thailand taxes I'd argue are lower all up for doing business.

- a better competition watchdog (EU and member state governments have them, but there is extensive protection still of privatised 'former' government assets in the EU). Consumers in both Thailand and EU are ripped off unfairly in different ways.

- work permits? Neither here nor their IMHO. Skilled people can and do get them in both places, but from my perspective, unless you are marrying a national, the EU really is fortress Europe, whereas Thailand it is the married couples which have the odds stacked against them.

- Corruption. Dunno. Definitely more explicit in Thailand - which may act as a disincentive for breaking the law (I don't speed or flout road rules..and hence never pay 200 baht to the men in brown). In some ways though, paying 250 pounds to get your car back from an impound yard is more extortionate. What we call office 'service fee's' in the west are paper bag payments here. The 'man' always gets you and 'old boys/girls' networks exist everywhere.

- Bureaucratic incompetence: I'd give immigration here (for instance) more points than I ever would the Home Office. Just because the latter churns out a well considered white paper every time it farts doesn't mean the powers that be actually read them. You may not believe it till you meet them, but the Thai civil service has many, many smart people doing a fantastic job, most of the senior management have been educated in the west via very generous scholarship schemes.

On the other side of the coin.

- Education - EU wins hands down (though lets not pretend it is perfect...inner city boroughs of London and other UK cities aren't doing the next generation any favours). Thailand doesn't exactly churn out morons though, but lots needs to be done with ensuring basic standards are met for the vast majority. As mentioned though, Thailand does have a fairly good Civil Service scholarship system.

- Health care - EU with its subsidised system works. People naturally always underestimate the risks that they face health wise and tend to under-insure, thus state sponsored health systems do work to plug that gap between the assumed risk and the reality. Thailand is trying, and has a rudimentary public health system funded via social security payments. It does the job..but a long way to go.

- R&D and infrastructure better focus in the EU of course. But go to Laos or Cambo for a week and you'll see that Thailand is doing quite well.

All of these latter ones come down to the ability of the government to actually fund them. Objectively it is not an easy task in Thailand.

In my view, in many ways, Thailand should simply keep what it is doing, while trying to avoid the natural excesses of 'irrational' exuberance that the west falls for every now and again.

[Martin]

There's a small article in the Bangkok Post today by some political commentator who reckons that Somkid has played a 'blinder' by the manner of his resignation (which will endear him to most who think 'Thai-way') and has set up himself well on course to be the next Prime Minister.

That would apparently send some members of this forum ballistic!

Edited February 22, 2007 by Martin