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[melvinmelvin]

8 minutes ago, HHTel said:

I repeat "Technically they can't"  However I also said that in reality, as in the above quote, their vote is important to give a unanimous decision.

 

There are plenty of sources that back that up including EU lawyers etc.  Anyway it's all pretty academic. 

despite your lack of insight in this I will try one more  time

(NO EU lawyer will support your view, unless pissed)

 

Today's meeting is NOT a decision making meeting.

Its a meeting for heads of states to agree to to give their political nod for the Brexit process to continue.

The heads of states body has since long agreed that they will handle Brexit by consensus.

Hence, Spain or any other member state may block the process if they so fancy.

 

 

[HHTel]

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Catherine Barnard, a professor of EU law and employment law at Trinity College in Cambridge, said Mrs May exit plan only had to be agreed by the majority of member states, meaning 20 out of the 27 countries. 

 

[melvinmelvin]

3 hours ago, HHTel said:

 

she is just off and she has missed the main point

she needs to read up on the Brexit process

 

so far no agreements or formal position taking has been done re the deal

 

some hours ago the EU heads of states gave their collective nod for the Brexit process to continue,

of course, based on the "deal" and the political cover declaration - which were NOTED not formally agreed to

 

next; UK parliament - formal decision making

if deal survives

next EU parliament - formal decision making

if deal survives

it will formally be signed by EU and UK

 

... ratification

 

what your lady prof has completely missed is the

internally agreed to MO for the heads of states body re Brexit, namely consensus

 

 

 

[HHTel]

Look, we both agree that in reality, any member can stop the process because of a letter of intent or MOU.  I was, and still am, just pointing out the statutory reg.  The said agreement could be withdrawn should the two leaders 'change their position'.

 

The lady professor stated that on Saturday to the BBC backing up what has already been said.

 

As things are going, it's irrelevant.  

[sawadee1947]

10 hours ago, Basil B said:

Oh man, you do seem to be a bit short sighted...

 

The fourteen British Overseas Territories are:^[4]

Flag	Arms	Name	Location	Motto	Area	Population	Capital
		Overall			1,727,570 km2	c. 250,000
		Akrotiri and Dhekelia	Cyprus, Mediterranean Sea		255 km2(98 sq mi)[5]	7,700 (Cypriots; estimate) 8,000 non-permanent (UK military personnel and their families; estimate)	Episkopi Cantonment
		Anguilla	Caribbean, North Atlantic Ocean	"Strength and Endurance"	91 km2(35.1 sq mi)[6]	13,500 (2006 estimate)[7]	The Valley
		Bermuda	North Atlantic Ocean between the Azores, the Caribbean, Cape Sable Island and Canada	"Quo fata ferunt" (Latin; "Whither the Fates carry [us]")	54 km2(20.8 sq mi)[8]	64,000 (2007 estimate)[9]	Hamilton
		British Antarctic Territory	Antarctica	"Research and discovery"	1,709,400 km2(660,000 sq mi)[6]	0 50 non-permanent in winter, over 400 in summer (research personnel)[10]	Rothera (main base)
		British Indian Ocean Territory	Indian Ocean	"In tutela nostra Limuria" (Latin; "Limuria is in our charge")	46 km2(18 sq mi)[11]	0 3,000 non-permanent (UK and US military and staff personnel; estimate)[12]	Diego Garcia (base)
		British Virgin Islands	Caribbean, North Atlantic Ocean	"Vigilate" (Latin; "Be watchful")	153 km2(59 sq mi)[13]	27,000 (2005 estimate)[13]	Road Town
		Cayman Islands	Caribbean	"He hath founded it upon the seas"	264 km2(101.9 sq mi)[14]	56,092 (2013 estimate)[14]	George Town
		Falkland Islands	South Atlantic Ocean	"Desire the right"	12,173 km2(4,700 sq mi)[8]	2,955 (2006 census)[15] 1,350 non-permanent (UK military personnel; 2012 estimate)	Stanley
		Gibraltar	Iberian Peninsula, Continental Europe	"Nulli expugnabilis hosti" (Latin; "No enemy shall expel us")	6.5 km2(2.5 sq mi)[16]	28,800 (2005 estimate)[17] 1,250 non-permanent (UK military personnel; 2012 estimate)	Gibraltar
		Montserrat	Caribbean, North Atlantic Ocean	"A people of excellence, moulded by nature, nurtured by God"	101 km2(39 sq mi)[18]	4,655 (2006 estimate)[18]	Plymouth (abandoned due to volcano—de facto capital is Brades)
		Pitcairn, Henderson, Ducie and Oeno Islands	Pacific Ocean		47 km2(18 sq mi)[19]	49 (2014 estimate)[20] 6 non-permanent (2014 estimate)[21]	Adamstown
		Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, including:	South Atlantic Ocean		420 km2(162 sq mi)	5,530 (total; estimate)	Jamestown
		Saint Helena		"Loyal and Unshakeable" (Saint Helena)		4,255 (Saint Helena; 2008 census)[22]
		Ascension Island				880 (Ascension; estimate)[23] 1,000 non-permanent (Ascension; UK military personnel; estimate)[23]
		Tristan da Cunha		"Our faith is our strength" (Tristan da Cunha)		300 (Tristan da Cunha; estimate)[23] 9 non-permanent (Tristan da Cunha; weather personnel)
		South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands	South Atlantic Ocean	"Leo terram propriam protegat" (Latin; "Let the lion protect his own land")	4,066 km2(1,570 sq mi)[24]	0 99 non-permanent (officials and research personnel)[25]	King Edward Point
		Turks and Caicos Islands	Lucayan Archipelago, North Atlantic Ocean		430 km2(166 sq mi)[26]	32,000 (2006 census)[26]	Cockburn Town

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Overseas_Territories

 

Wow, mea culpa, I really forgot those important territories. In total more than Gloucester? Amazing indeed. 

[evadgib]

Related link:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/40-reasons-to-back-the-brexit-deal

[Baerboxer]

On 11/25/2018 at 1:48 PM, melvinmelvin said:

 

actually, they can block the whole thing

 

the top level body in EU has agreed on internal rules/MO for the handling of Brexit

a consensus is required, so Spain can block

 

but, it was sorted yesterday

 

 

 

 

That's not what an EU official said on Friday. It was stated a simple majority was enough so no one member state could veto the decision.

 

Spain is hardly a heavyweight  and will do as Brussels tell them on behalf of Germany and France.