Three UK ministers throw weight behind Brexit delay to stop no-deal

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Three UK ministers throw weight behind Brexit delay to stop no-deal

 

FILE PHOTO: Britain's Secretary of State for Business Greg Clark is seen outside of Downing Street in London, Britain, February 19, 2019. REUTERS/Peter Nicholls

 

LONDON (Reuters) - Three British cabinet ministers have publicly indicated they will back plans to delay Brexit if lawmakers vote down Prime Minister Theresa May's plan for a new deal with the European Union, writing a column in a national newspaper on Saturday.

 

Business minister Greg Clark, work and pensions minister Amber Rudd, and justice minister David Gauke signalled in a Daily Mail column that they will side with rebels and opposition parties next week to stop Britain leaving without a divorce deal on March 29 if necessary, adding their weight to calls for May to rule out a no-deal departure.

 

May is struggling against the clock to get a deal with Brussels on Britain's exit from the world's largest trading bloc that will pass parliamentary muster. She will meet European Council President Donald Tusk on the sidelines of an EU-League of Arab States summit on Sunday, but EU diplomats are not expecting any imminent breakthrough.

 

In the column headlined "If we don't get a deal next week we must delay Brexit", Clark, Rudd and Gauke wrote that a no-deal exit was a risk to business, security and British territorial unity, and accused some parliament colleagues of complacency.

 

"Far from Brexit resulting in a newly independent United Kingdom stepping boldly into the wider world, crashing out on March 29 would see us poorer, less secure and potentially splitting up," they said, referring to the threat of a new bid for Scottish independence.

 

"Our economy will be damaged severely both in the short and the long term. Costs will increase, businesses that rely on just-in-time supply chains will be severely disrupted and investment will be discouraged," they wrote.

 

The ministers called on members of the European Research Group, formed by Conservative pro-Brexit lawmakers, to back the government's deal in parliament or risk seeing Brexit delayed.

 

Both May's Conservatives and the main opposition Labour Party are formally committed to delivering Brexit. In recent days Labour has appeared to soften its stance on a second referendum, although May has ruled such an option out.

 

Lawmakers from both parties, however, are deeply split over how or even whether Britain will leave, and no majority has so far emerged in parliament for any comprehensive Brexit strategy.

 

May has promised that if she does not bring a revised deal back by Feb. 27, parliament will have an opportunity to vote on the next steps. Some lawmakers are expected to use that to try to wrest control of the process from the government.

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-02-23

[Katipo]

This is a complete sh*t show. Fascinating to see the outcome though, in terms of what what deal if any is reached, and the long term effects on the economy. And to those who say they know the answer to the later, "no you don't". ????

[Laughing Gravy]

3 arch remainers who just want to overturn the 2016 referendum result or keep us tied to the EU with a BRINO. I can see these two now asking for another referendum.

 

They should resign from the cabinet like those have done who disagree with the PM. I wonder who is bankrolling them?

[tebee]

 

[tebee]

9 hours ago, Katipo said:

This is a complete sh*t show. Fascinating to see the outcome though, in terms of what what deal if any is reached, and the long term effects on the economy. And to those who say they know the answer to the later, "no you don't". ????

I don't know why Brexiters still expect brexit to turn out alright when you see the total incompetence of those trying to execute it.

 

May in particular is completely the wrong person for the job 

 

 

 

But then, maybe anyone with half a brain wouldn't have wanted this poison chalice in the first place .

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

3 arch remainers who just want to overturn the 2016 referendum result or keep us tied to the EU with a BRINO. I can see these two now asking for another referendum.

 

They should resign from the cabinet like those have done who disagree with the PM. I wonder who is bankrolling them?

Imagine for a moment.

 

 

If only there had been a Brexit plan.

[welovesundaysatspace]

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

3 arch remainers who just want to overturn the 2016 referendum result or keep us tied to the EU with a BRINO. I can see these two now asking for another referendum.

 

They should resign from the cabinet like those have done who disagree with the PM. I wonder who is bankrolling them?

There was no 2016 referendum for a no-deal Brexit. 

[vogie]

14 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

There was no 2016 referendum for a no-deal Brexit. 

There was a referendum for leave or remain, I believe a "no deal brexit" falls under the category of leave.

[Loiner]

15 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

There was no 2016 referendum for a no-deal Brexit. 

Oh yes there was. 
A 'deal' is a post-referendum invention of Remainers, in an effort to effectively stay in the EU.

[welovesundaysatspace]

15 minutes ago, vogie said:

There was a referendum for leave or remain, I believe a "no deal brexit" falls under the category of leave.

It only said leave, it didn’t say “leave, don’t don’t do any agreements with the EU”. So three MPs campaigning for a deal with the EU are not “overturning” any referendum result; in fact, they are doing the opposite, by campaigning for a post-leave deal with the EU they are clearly for leaving the EU as a post-leave deal with the EU is only relevant for the case of leaving, obviously. 

 

14 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Oh yes there was. 

No, there wasn’t. Brexiteers lying again. Despite the ballot paper clearly showing there wasn’t. Pathetic. 

 

Quote

A 'deal' is a post-referendum invention of Remainers, in an effort to effectively stay in the EU.

Deals happen everywhere, it’s not an invention of remainers. If you don’t want a deal with the EU, hold a referendum about it; maybe this time

make sure it’s binding and not manipulated. 

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, vogie said:

There was a referendum for leave or remain, I believe a "no deal brexit" falls under the category of leave.

The Leave Campaign constantly referred to the UK getting a deal out of the EU (they need us more than we need them etc).

 

It’s where the Remain Campaign got their accusation that ‘Leave believe they can have their cake and eat it’.

 

And it wasn’t a ‘Remainer’ who said ‘the easiest deal in human history’.

 

 

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Leave Campaign constantly referred to the UK getting a deal out of the EU (they need us more than we need them etc).

 

It’s where the Remain Campaign got their accusation that ‘Leave believe they can have their cake and eat it’.

 

And it wasn’t a ‘Remainer’ who said ‘the easiest deal in human history’.

 

 

Which has nothing to do what we're talking about, but if in doubt it is always nice to fall back on the top 100 sayings of the remainers, 3 in this instance, anything original to say?

[welovesundaysatspace]

9 minutes ago, vogie said:

You have just answered your own question "it only said leave" You are making your own interpretations of what you would have liked it to have said. Sometimes it is better to stick to facts rather than imaginary wants.

Maybe read again what I was replying to, before posting nonsense. 

[stevenl]

Prolonging the uncertainty is not a good solution. But do agree that a no deal Brexit would probably be worse.

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Maybe read again what I was replying to, before posting nonsense. 

You have edited your post to the one I replied to, which contravenes forum rules. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

You have edited your post to the one I replied to, which contravenes forum rules. 

Nonsense. 

[steve187]

3 hours ago, tebee said:

 

May in particular is completely the wrong person for the job 

 

so who would be the right person to carry out the wishes of the people

[Scott]

Post with messed up quote has been removed.  

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

There was a referendum for leave or remain, I believe a "no deal brexit" falls under the category of leave.

That referendum didn’t say “leave without a deal”. So when three MPs campaign for leaving with a deal, they are, very obviously, not “overturning” any referendum result, as someone here claimed. 

 

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Oh yes there was. 

No there wasn’t. The ballot paper can be seen online. Your lies get worse each day. Pathetic. 

 

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

A 'deal' is a post-referendum invention of Remainers, in an effort to effectively stay in the EU.

Then you should have held a referendum against a deal, but you only held one for ending EU. membership. Too bad your leaders told everyone exactly the opposite, knowing that people would never vote  to leave if there wasn’t a deal. 

[vogie]

10 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

That referendum didn’t say “leave without a deal”. So when three MPs campaign for leaving with a deal, they are, very obviously, not “overturning” any referendum result, as someone here claimed. 

 

No there wasn’t. The ballot paper can be seen online. Your lies get worse each day. Pathetic. 

 

Then you should have held a referendum against a deal, but you only held one for ending EU. membership. Too bad your leaders told everyone exactly the opposite, knowing that people would never vote  to leave if there wasn’t a deal. 

 

That referendum didn’t say “leave without a deal”. So when three MPs campaign for leaving with a deal, they are, very obviously, not “overturning” any referendum result, as someone here claimed. 

 

The referendum didn't say 'only eat fish on a Friday' also it didn't say 'watching too much television is bad for your eyes'. Instead of concentrating what it didn't say, I think you would do better to concentrate what it actually did say.

 

[Grouse]

4 hours ago, tebee said:

 

It's becoming a Bonfire of the Vanities

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

There was a referendum for leave or remain, I believe a "no deal brexit" falls under the category of leave.

It falls into several other categories also. I'll spare your blushes.

[vogie]

Just now, Grouse said:

It falls into several other categories also. I'll spare your blushes.

Are you suggesting that shacking it up at the halfway house is a category. I do not blush, je suis Yorkshire.????

[Grouse]

Elitist, anti democratic, remoaners may care to watch Andrew Marr on the biased BBC today!

 

I'm sure there's something good on ITV for everyone else.....

 

Better get The Famous Grouse out for this!

 

Presenter	Andrew Marr
Interviewed Guest	Michael Gove
Interviewed Guest	Tom Watson
Interviewed Guest	Heidi Allen
Interviewed Guest	Luciana Berger
Interviewed Guest	Kelsey Grammer

 

Kelsey Grammer is Frasier for the great unwashed.

[evadgib]

Maggie would have had them tarred and feathered!

Sadly there's no one in the house that comes close these days. Davis is probably the best of the Brexit candidates for PM but they're all way short when it comes to strength of character. In her day we took it for granted.

[Grouse]

31 minutes ago, vogie said:

Are you suggesting that shacking it up at the halfway house is a category. I do not blush, je suis Yorkshire.????

Frankie Boyle on Brexit just for you!

 

 

[dick dasterdly]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Imagine for a moment.

 

 

If only there had been a Brexit plan.

Blame cameron and the govt. for the failure to plan, as they were the only ones in a position to do so.

 

They expected the result to be remain, and so didn't bother.....

 

Rather than facing up to the situation and (belatedly....) coming up with a plan - he resigned as he realised he had no intention of living up to his promises given to the electorate....

 

Chaos ensued for various reasons.

[Loiner]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

 

And it wasn’t a ‘Remainer’ who said ‘the easiest deal in human history’.

  

 

Who said it and especially when was it said?

Is it not proving to be easy because it's Remainers doing the 'deal' and they are not even negotiating a trade deal. They are still trying to shroud a Brexit-in-name-only capitulation.

[SheungWan]

3 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

There was no 2016 referendum for a no-deal Brexit. 

It was 1 option.

[stevenl]

7 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Blame cameron and the govt. for the failure to plan, as they were the only ones in a position to do so.

 

They expected the result to be remain, and so didn't bother.....

 

Rather than facing up to the situation and (belatedly....) coming up with a plan - he resigned as he realised he had no intention of living up to his promises given to the electorate....

 

Chaos ensued for various reasons.

And all time since none of the brexiteers has been able to come up with a plan. All they have done is stand at the sidelines and criticise the only one who was trying to get an acceptable deal. Nothing, absolutely nothing positive, has come from Boris Johnson, Nigel Farange et al.