1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Are those the only two choices? I think not. 

I'm happy an American president is talking to the NK dictator. 

I think this particular American president is a clown, a fool, a con man, massively criminally corrupt, and no I don't trust him to make a good deal with NK or anyone else.

He sells himself as a great negotiator. He's actually crap at it.

 I think this is the crux of it. Of course we are happy that the conflict is currently diffused. And, Trump, though acting in his own self interests and kicking the can down the road to get higher ratings, has achieved that. And, yes, he is all those things you mention. But, he is close to self-destructing anyway witness the Cohen hearing today, the Muller investigation, and others, and this will play out naturally.

 

In the end, perhaps his only legacy will be that he temporarily diffused the N. Korea threat, and that is something palpable.

1 minute ago, FarangDoingHisThing69 said:

Great to hear your next dumptruck of opinion. So, can you propose what you would do? You have lots of opinions, none backed by fact, but you seem to wander off the farm when asked about what solutions you would propose.


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I don't have presidential ambitions but I would be more comfortable with a competent president that handled this in a measured, diplomatic way, without the focus on SHOW BUSINESS that 45 is obviously all about. 

I don't have presidential ambitions but I would be more comfortable with a competent president that handled this in a measured, diplomatic way, without the focus on SHOW BUSINESS that 45 is obviously all about. 

So, all talk, all baseless opinion, all negativity and hostility, and no solutions. You’d be a great democratic candidate!


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1 minute ago, FarangDoingHisThing69 said:

So, all talk, all baseless opinion, all negativity and hostility, and no solutions. You’d be a great democratic candidate!


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Whatever, dude.

He seems to have a huge sulk on over comment and coverage of the biggliest, bestest ever acheiviest the mostest summit in Singapore that actually produced the sum total of sod all. 

 

Claims that the summit pulled back from nuclear war involving the two countries are farcical considering that Trump raised the rhetoric so much in advance HE was the one pushing towards war. Anyone remember this? "The United States has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea." "If the righteous many do not confront the wicked few, then evil will triumph," Trump said, as he detailed the horrors of what he called the "depraved" North Korean regime."Rocket man is on a suicide mission," he said.

 

Now its '“And then we fell in love, okay? No, really - he wrote me beautiful letters, and they’re great letters,”. Give me strength!

 

He looked distinctly uncomfortable at the pre-dinner photo op (not surprising given what Cohen is saying at home). Interesting that Bolton the War Hawk is absent from the summit. 

No I didn't forget his insane rhetoric before that pushed Kim into wacky action. Of course 45 is counting on the attention span of American voters to be about five minutes, and based on the fact that he managed to get sort of elected in the first place, he's not wrong about that. 

15 minutes ago, FarangDoingHisThing69 said:

Use a real source, not a communist rag like NPR.

 

 

In the real world they’re called war games. Always have been always will be. No brass will call a war game a “military preparedness exercise” because that’s boring as hell and doesn’t fire the grunts up.

 

Onto your next misplaced point, the IAEA and various nations have already been invited to witness and participate in the dismantlement. UNSC opening liaison offices. It’s going just fine, and the UN also backs up this assertion. Blindly claiming “Trump is a fool for negotiating with this premiere nuclear terrorist state on ambivalent terms” just shows your jingoism and inability to pragmatically solve such a situation that was allowed by our corrupt government. Would you prefer they keep winding up more bombs, and hoping “harmless military exercises” makes them feel like there is no impending threat to survival?

 

 

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No one in the military would use the word 'games', it is a term used by the Press

 

'Exercise' is the recognised term, at least within NATO.

Whatever, dude.

Thanks for your great contribution to the subject at hand. Admitting defeat and running away is exactly why people like yourself allowed such a nuclear hotbox to be created in the first place. Nothing but anger, hostility, and divisiveness. No wonder the world is at this state of near total chaos now. [emoji23]


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Just now, FarangDoingHisThing69 said:

Thanks for your great contribution to the subject at hand. Admitting defeat and running away is exactly why people like yourself allowed such a nuclear hotbox to be created in the first place. Nothing but anger, hostility, and divisiveness. No wonder the world is at this state of near total chaos now.


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I admitted nothing, 

Since you regard me so lowly, kindly ignore me in future. 

8 minutes ago, FarangDoingHisThing69 said:

So, all talk, all baseless opinion, all negativity and hostility, and no solutions. You’d be a great democratic candidate!


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Ahhhh- the Trumpette has blown his cover. Goldang Commie leftie  b'stards.  ????

Ahhhh- the Trumpette has blown his cover. Goldang Commie leftie  b'stards.  [emoji41]

It’s very obvious I am an anti communist with my writings. You should pay better attention instead of tooting your TDS horn.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, keemapoot said:

But, he is close to self-destructing anyway witness the Cohen hearing today, the Muller investigation, and others, and this will play out naturally.

 You totally miss the point. Even the continuous backstabbing did not stop him from all the amazing achievements he keeps making. This Vietnam meet, the second summit of Trump/Kim was totally unimaginable under 44. Like it or not, Trump is a hero, Just look at Kim. He is clearly in awe of Trump. These are historic times, one President achieving more greatness than the last half dozen combined and in his first 2 years. Just amazing.

 

 I expect on his way hope he will stop by and sprinkle some much needed magic on India/Paksitan. He has the Midas touch. 

2 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

 You totally miss the point. Even the continuous backstabbing did not stop him from all the amazing achievements he keeps making. This Vietnam meet, the second summit of Trump/Kim was totally unimaginable under 44. Like it or not, Trump is a hero, Just look at Kim. He is clearly in awe of Trump. These are historic times, one President achieving more greatness than the last half dozen combined and in his first 2 years. Just amazing.

 

 I expect on his way hope he will stop by and sprinkle some much needed magic on India/Paksitan. He has the Midas touch. 

Now that's some real TDS! 

1 minute ago, TopDeadSenter said:

 You totally miss the point. Even the continuous backstabbing did not stop him from all the amazing achievements he keeps making. This Vietnam meet, the second summit of Trump/Kim was totally unimaginable under 44. Like it or not, Trump is a hero, Just look at Kim. He is clearly in awe of Trump. These are historic times, one President achieving more greatness than the last half dozen combined and in his first 2 years. Just amazing.

 

 I expect on his way hope he will stop by and sprinkle some much needed magic on India/Paksitan. He has the Midas touch. 

I do admit he is untouchable. He is the slimiest creature and the slime just keeps sliding off his back, so my hat's off to him for that. I can't think of a more base creature than Trump so calling him great doesn't really work with my vocabulary. Your hero is soon to be disgraced and stain the Presidential seal forever. Big time...

My respect towards President Trump for being an action man and staying confident of his abilities despite troublesome talk around his every corner.

Keep up the good work.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Lets see actual results first before getting overly excited. Sure testing has stopped but word is they didn't really need to do much more testing. I still think it's obvious Kim is never going to denuke and 45 is certainly not going to force him. What 45 obviously wants is the optics that he solved the problem that he somewhat amplified with his earlier insane rhetoric. Then Nobel prize, no impeachment, reelection, and no prison. Or so he hopes.

 

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I think the only people who are getting over excited as you put it are the Trump hater, unlike all the previous presidents from Bush to Obama the Donald has given nothing away to date and yet you assume he is going to and achieve nothing. All I hear from people like you is Trumps an idiot and talks a lot so what . How do you now fat boy is not going to denuke do you have inside information or do you work for CNN and are guessing or just more anti trump talk perhaps you can share how you know this with us all. You have no idea what is going to happen and neither do I yet you spew anti trump insane rhetoric. Perhaps you want a Nobel prize for hoping for hoping Trump fails. Me I hope the man makes this happen and gets his Nobel prize at least he would have deserved it unlike Obama who got one for what I have no idea maybe you can tell me. 

22 minutes ago, jamesy9368 said:

Obama who got one for what I have no idea maybe you can tell me. 

Obama, great talking I guess. I listened to him speak in Egypt. Inspiring stuff. Then later on, Egypt fell in a heap. Talk can only achieve so much. Get the wheels in motion.

Trump getting the motion, but needs things to go his way with all the opposing sides. Wait and see, but there is no better man for the job.

The U.S public spoke. Go Trump!

 

Donald the (art of the deal)guy is going into this negotiation With a very weak hand he allready squandered some of our best cards he is in deep deep trouble at home little Kim and his advisers have a lot of experience with this Donald doesent use advisers he uses his magical McDonald’s gut I think he will surrender and accept N Korea as a nuclear power and try to bs us into thinking it’s a great deal 

1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said:

 You totally miss the point. Even the continuous backstabbing did not stop him from all the amazing achievements he keeps making. This Vietnam meet, the second summit of Trump/Kim was totally unimaginable under 44. Like it or not, Trump is a hero, Just look at Kim. He is clearly in awe of Trump. These are historic times, one President achieving more greatness than the last half dozen combined and in his first 2 years. Just amazing.

 

 I expect on his way hope he will stop by and sprinkle some much needed magic on India/Paksitan. He has the Midas touch. 

are you off your medicine ?

3 minutes ago, Tug said:

Donald the (art of the deal)guy is going into this negotiation With a very weak hand he allready squandered some of our best cards he is in deep deep trouble at home little Kim and his advisers have a lot of experience with this Donald doesent use advisers he uses his magical McDonald’s gut I think he will surrender and accept N Korea as a nuclear power and try to bs us into thinking it’s a great deal 

It's not going to help that he's going to stay up all night watching the Cohen testimony. 

" "Vietnam is thriving like few places on earth. North Korea would be the same, and very quickly, if it would denuclearize," Trump said on Twitter.  "

 

so far, USA has attacked every nation that denuclearized,

i suggest keep the nukes kim if you want peace

 You totally miss the point. Even the continuous backstabbing did not stop him from all the amazing achievements he keeps making. This Vietnam meet, the second summit of Trump/Kim was totally unimaginable under 44.

This event is not an “amazing achievement”. It’s another showcase example of Trump getting suckered by The despotic leaders he wishes he could be.

I wonder what he’ll give away this time.

Maybe BIG DONALD is in LOVE with KIM. Donald has run out of women that he has to pay to "SHUT UP " about his sexual prowess or lack of. Blonds are a fantasy of most asian men and we know who will be on top,

2 hours ago, jamesy9368 said:

I love all the people with TDS here all saying Trumps a clown evil etc. If I recall the 2 Bushes Clinton saint Obama the UN the EU etc were trying to keep North Korea from having nuclear weapons. Tell me all the Trump haters how that worked out.

It is of coarse no accident that Vietnam was chosen for this meeting Trump showing Kim what a communist country can achieve and still retain control because that is what Kim wants.

Everyone else wants the nuclear weapons gone. But lets not try something different because all the Trump haters like Empire star Jussie Smollett another clown and liar knows best right.

Nice twist.  Ignores the fact that  an attempt to control and dictate a political philosophy based on propaganda and militarized objective  failed for the US yet again in Vietnam but at that time eventuated in a situation where self  determination assisted  by compromise to  global reality now reigns. That in  contrast  in real terms to the US where the  proclaimed iconic illusion of  democratic process is being  seen to be  another thing altogether.

"KImmy" is  undoubtably  well counseled  by the Chinese regime where in real terms  " Communism" is long dead but  " control"  primarily in self interest is paramount.

Where/which country demonstrates  anything different politically?

In established  "democratic" systems  the  voters  choice is effectively  limited to the  wealthy or agents of established by the purchase  of votes via propaganda, populist  promise, manipulation of electoral process, or outright  corruption and  bullshit.

In  dictated systems in effect the  outcome is not  much different.

In the interest of self  preservation accords can be pronounced to perpetuate positions for reason/purpose little  different to  the above.

The outcome is no different other than on the measure of acceptance by the  majority of the populace in status  quo survival at  minimum. Anything derived  that is more than that is welcomed and lauded as success by........political intervention. 

Power is dictated  by wealth. If  all people  were rich where would the power be?

Even in an "enclosed " dictatorial " state  in relative  terms  that does  not change.

" Friend "  Kim  is  playing the  game well in  light  of  global  perspectives.

"Fiend" Trump  thinks  he is ahead of the  game.

Who  has  more time?

 

 

 

 

 

 

34 minutes ago, White Christmas13 said:

are you off your medicine ?

Haha, great debating. A one of many no come back phrases.

Much like in an argument I was having with a chap. He threw a rippa at me. He said "your mom."

What was I to say, gosh all mighty?

 

Another thread filled with hateful ramblings from a side that is becoming more fearful by the day that their side is going to lose. Trump exudes confidence in front of the camera with a visibly nervous Kim. Trump is doing his best to reassure Kim we won't go Saddam on him if he cooperates.

 

If the sanctions still stand I don't see the problem with it.  

Love is in the air in Hanoi.

Birds of a feather?

 

 

14 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

The Nattering Nabobs of Negativism crowd will never find any positive result from anything Trump accomplishes. 

And what has Trump accomplished.

Just with Nth Korea alone, there is no denuclearisation. In fact Little Kim has increased his stocks.

But the real thing is about Mr Trump.

We now know his "friends".

Members of the Royal Saudi family.

Mr Putin.

Mr Kim.

With friends like that, who needs enemies.

 He is the centre stage of buffoon of the year.

Meanwhile Cohen bleats the truth finally.

 

Kim must be thinking, God help me, I'm finished, Donald is my friend.

19 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

The Nattering Nabobs of Negativism crowd will never find any positive result from anything Trump accomplishes. 

I wonder why? ????