Britain in Brexit chaos - parliament crushes May's EU deal again

[bomber]

49 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

This is because the vast majority of the British population are not Europhiles, and have little interest in politics beyond our own Houses of Parliament. Most don't want or need a higher power.

We have never been enthusiastic about the EU. This is partly why we sat idly by while Major and Blair etc. sold us down the river with Maastricht and Lisbon. 

 

It's a shame the British public didn't wake up sooner to this, but better late than never. 

they didnt wake up because barely a thing effected them,the first thing that effected the British public was bringing back as many fags and booze as they could fit in their cars/vans/suitcases,i never saw or heard anyone complaining.

[bomber]

49 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

I was talking about the bus, but if this is a real picture and not photo-shopped, then fair enough. It still doesn't negate the fact he had no authority to allocate money, and it was just a slogan / suggestion. 

 

 

its the fat,fake,fraud

[Prissana Pescud]

17 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Actually we are focused on the no-deal Brexit vote in the Commons today.

Actually, are you paid to blather on.

 

[tebee]

 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

 

Thought you might be a fan of his.

[SheungWan]

19 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Actually we are focused on the no-deal Brexit vote in the Commons today.

 

1 hour ago, Prissana Pescud said:

Actually, are you paid to blather on.

So then, about that vote......

[luckyluke]

On 23 June 2016, 52% of the voters in the U. K. voted to leave the E. U.. 

 

Today they, with the 48% with a different opinion, the all of the E. U, the World, still don't know,

When exactly if it will happen, if it will happen, how it will happen. 

 

Something is rotten in the state of Great Britain. 

[SheungWan]

1 minute ago, luckyluke said:

On 23 June 2016, 52% of the voters in the U. K. voted to leave the E. U.. 

Today they, with the 48% with a different opinion, the all of the E. U, the World, still don't know,

if it will happen, how it will happen, when exactly it will happen. 

Something is rotten in the state of Great Britain. 

Yes. Its the continuous fake argument of the Hard Brexiteers that Brexit = no-deal.

[Laughing Gravy]

11 hours ago, Grouse said:

So what market sectors would you be inclined to protect and which would you subject to zero tariffs for the benefit of consumers?

That's a huge topic and list but it would be for the benefit of the UK and not the EU.

[Spidey]

5 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

I was talking about the bus, but if this is a real picture and not photo-shopped, then fair enough. It still doesn't negate the fact he had no authority to allocate money, and it was just a slogan / suggestion. 

 

 

Poor beleaguered Brexiteers sink deeper into denial.

[gmac]

54 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Yes. Its the continuous fake argument of the Hard Brexiteers that Brexit = no-deal.

Actually the opposite with Hard Remainers defying the referendum result trying to keep the country shackled to the EU. 'The Deal' most certainly isn't Brexit.

[Spidey]

What now? May's deal is off the table, no deal is off the table, any further negotiations with the EU are off the table and a vote to extend until May was resoundingly defeated. Parliament will try again, today to agree on an extension, if they can't agree, there's no way forward. We're sunk. What an almighty mess, created by MP's on both sides of the house, looking to pander to their constituents and secure their seats in the upcoming (surely) election. Not one of them has the country or it's people at heart. A pox on both their houses.

 

 

[nauseus]

56 minutes ago, Spidey said:

What now? May's deal is off the table, no deal is off the table, any further negotiations with the EU are off the table and a vote to extend until May was resoundingly defeated. Parliament will try again, today to agree on an extension, if they can't agree, there's no way forward. We're sunk. What an almighty mess, created by MP's on both sides of the house, looking to pander to their constituents and secure their seats in the upcoming (surely) election. Not one of them has the country or it's people at heart. A pox on both their houses.

 

 

Poor beleaguered reaminers sink deeper into rabidity.

[Kieran00001]

13 hours ago, Grouse said:

Yep; ask Cornwall! They did extremely well but voted leave and are now moaning. Many first cousin marriages?

 

Its not the same people who voted Leave who are now moaning, the percentage of Cornish who voted Leave were not much above the national average percentage, are you also wanting to claim incest as the reason the Remain supports from the rest of the UK are moaning or is this a special prejudice reserved for the Cornish?

[Kieran00001]

9 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Poor beleaguered reaminers sink deeper into rabidity.

 

You must be following the news in a parallel universe if you think its the Remain camp that is beleaguered.

[Spidey]

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Poor beleaguered reaminers sink deeper into rabidity.

Poor beleaguered Brits (remain and leave) sink deeper into rabidity.

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, Spidey said:

Poor beleaguered Brits (remain and leave) sink deeper into rabidity.

Oh touche. Bravo.

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

You must be following the news in a parallel universe if you think its the Remain camp that is beleaguered.

A reply to Spidey. Talk to him.

[Spidey]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

A reply to Spidey. Talk to him.

Talk to the hand the face ain't listening.????

[vogie]

1 hour ago, Spidey said:

What now? May's deal is off the table, no deal is off the table, any further negotiations with the EU are off the table and a vote to extend until May was resoundingly defeated. Parliament will try again, today to agree on an extension, if they can't agree, there's no way forward. We're sunk. What an almighty mess, created by MP's on both sides of the house, looking to pander to their constituents and secure their seats in the upcoming (surely) election. Not one of them has the country or it's people at heart. A pox on both their houses.

 

 

Mays deal is still on the table and there is a possiblity that it still could be voted on again, and even another time after that, I hope I don't sound enthusiastic about her deal.

As for last nights vote on taking no deal off the table, it was just advisory, not meaninless, but advisory. No deal still remains on the table and the only way to remove it, is vote for a deal or revoke art 50. I'm sure our very own ThaiVisa political reporter will be along shortly to confirm this.

 

As for tonights vote for an extension, all 27 EU countries must agree to our request if we ask for one. There are a couple of countries already that have already expressed concerns about our request for one, and Nigel Farage and believe some Tory MPs have already spoken to some EU countries already about vetoing our request should we ask.

 

There is still plenty of life left in brexit yet, it is not a done deal that many remainers want us to believe. But if nothing else brexit has given the people of the UK yet another acronym........DINO, democracy in name only.

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4 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Talk to the hand the face ain't listening.????

Busy signal.

[Kieran00001]

1 hour ago, gmac said:

Actually the opposite with Hard Remainers defying the referendum result trying to keep the country shackled to the EU. 'The Deal' most certainly isn't Brexit.

 

Just holding them to their promises.

 

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“British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market."  Boris Johnson

 

We will, will we, and if we can't, as we wouldn't be able to in a no deal Brexit?

 

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"Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefor before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade agreement massively larger than the EU... The new trade agreement will come into force at the point of exit, but they will be fully negotiated."  David Davis

 

It will, will it, and if it is not ready, as it isn't?

 

 

 

[Kieran00001]

15 minutes ago, nauseus said:

A reply to Spidey. Talk to him.

 

Aw bless, did you find your way onto this pubic forum all by yourself?

[Spidey]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

Mays deal is still on the table and there is a possiblity that it still could be voted on again, and even another time after that, I hope I don't sound enthusiastic about her deal.

As for last nights vote on taking no deal off the table, it was just advisory, not meaninless, but advisory. No deal still remains on the table and the only way to remove it, is vote for a deal or revoke art 50. I'm sure our very own ThaiVisa political reporter will be along shortly to confirm this.

 

As for tonights vote for an extension, all 27 EU countries must agree to our request if we ask for one. There are a couple of countries already that have already expressed concerns about our request for one, and Nigel Farage and believe some Tory MPs have already spoken to some EU countries already about vetoing our request should we ask.

 

There is still plenty of life left in brexit yet, it is not a done deal that many remainers want us to believe. But if nothing else brexit has given the people of the UK yet another acronym........DINO, democracy in name only.

May's deal has been resoundingly voted down twice. It won't get another chance unless it appears in a referendum.

 

On the extension, the EU does what Barnier and Junker say. They have made it clear that they will only sanction an extension if the UK has a viable plan. And there's the rub. Parliament will have to decide on what grounds they will apply for an extension and for what length of time.

 

The only grounds that we could practically apply for an extension for, and that Barnier would approve are:

 

1. Revocation of Article 50.

 

2. A binding referendum, remain or May's deal.

 

3. Calling for a snap election.

 

Personally, I can't see any of those options securing a parliamentary majority.

 

Renegotiating the deal is definitely not an option as Barnier and Junker have made it abundantly clear.

 

Personally, I would be in favour of H.M. The Queen disbanding parliament and making the decision herself. Mum knows best.

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, gmac said:

Actually the opposite with Hard Remainers defying the referendum result trying to keep the country shackled to the EU. 'The Deal' most certainly isn't Brexit.

That's your opinion. And you are entitled to it. But it is a minority opinion in the House of Commons and is not represented on the wording of the referendum. Next!

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, Spidey said:

May's deal has been resoundingly voted down twice. It won't get another chance unless it appears in a referendum.

 

On the extension, the EU does what Barnier and Junker say. They have made it clear that they will only sanction an extension if the UK has a viable plan. And there's the rub. Parliament will have to decide on what grounds they will apply for an extension and for what length of time.

 

The only grounds that we could practically apply for an extension for, and that Barnier would approve are:

 

1. Revocation of Article 50.

 

2. A binding referendum, remain or May's deal.

 

3. Calling for a snap election.

 

Personally, I can't see any of those options securing a parliamentary majority.

 

Renegotiating the deal is definitely not an option as Barnier and Junker have made it abundantly clear.

 

Personally, I would be in favour of H.M. The Queen disbanding parliament and making the decision herself. Mum knows best.

Most of your post is speculation, Parliament doesn't even know what will happen yet.

 

As for your remark on HM the Queen, you do know that she is a Brexiteer and the first thing she will do when we leave is deport Philip.

[SheungWan]

22 minutes ago, Spidey said:

May's deal has been resoundingly voted down twice. It won't get another chance unless it appears in a referendum.

On the extension, the EU does what Barnier and Junker say. They have made it clear that they will only sanction an extension if the UK has a viable plan. And there's the rub. Parliament will have to decide on what grounds they will apply for an extension and for what length of time.

The only grounds that we could practically apply for an extension for, and that Barnier would approve are:

1. Revocation of Article 50.

2. A binding referendum, remain or May's deal.

3. Calling for a snap election.

Personally, I can't see any of those options securing a parliamentary majority.

Renegotiating the deal is definitely not an option as Barnier and Junker have made it abundantly clear.

Personally, I would be in favour of H.M. The Queen disbanding parliament and making the decision herself. Mum knows best.

Doubt it.

[nauseus]

13 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Aw bless, did you find your way onto this pubic forum all by yourself?

Theresa May recommended it. Found out later she had changed her mind.. 

[stephenterry]

15 hours ago, nauseus said:

Now now, not fair. The benefits (already explained to you years ago) from most leavers perspectives concern the restoration of UK sovereignty and are not out personal or individual concern. 

Parliament has “remained sovereign throughout our membership to the EU” despite people “not always feeling like that”, the Brexit White Paper says. 

[SheungWan]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

Most of your post is speculation, Parliament doesn't even know what will happen yet.

As for your remark on HM the Queen, you do know that she is a Brexiteer and the first thing she will do when we leave is deport Philip.

The interesting part of last night was Theresa May's comments immediately following the conclusion of voting. Notwithstanding Corbyn's newly discovered assumed mantle of responsibility re getting agreement across the aisles, what is going to happen in the remaining two weeks or longer is still in motion.