Biden's rise in 2020 race catches Trump's eye, unnerves his allies

[Thakkar]

20 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

And you think government increasing its funding of universities and healthcare will drive the cost down, I don’t. I think it will drive the costs up, and the quality down even faster than it already is.
 

 

 

Man, you just keep bobbing and weaving, don’t you? And, in the process finding new ways to embarrass yourself.

 

Government, in the form of the entire economy and the majority of the population is *already* overpaying for those things (with inferior outcomes), especially healthcare to the sole benefit of the top 5%, the private healthcare and private insurance industries. Universal healthcare systems IN EVERY OTHER developed economy (and many developing economies) consistently achieve better results with lower expenditure. One of the major jobs of a government is to provide the greatest good to the greatest number of citizens—not protect the wealthy.

[Thakkar]

23 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

To be clear, I don’t think most Americans want socialized medicine and “free” higher education.

Of course everyone wants higher wages, lower costs and better quality, but I’m not sure a majority of Americans believe the government taking over big chunks the private sector (as the left wants) is the solution.

 

 

Not providing those things is not a saving to society. It is only a saving for the top 5%

 

I could write a lot about this, but, fear not, I will limit myself to one example.

 

By law, created by Congress, student loans cannot be discharged even in cases of bankruptcy. Who does this benefit? The big lenders holding—and profiting from—$1.5 trillion in student loans. Meanwhile, a billion dollar airline going bankrupt (just for fun, guess which airline I’m thinking of) can walk away from all obligations, leaving creditors and passengers high and dry. Citizens, with resulting depleted 401k’s, pay.

[mogandave]

 
Man, you just keep bobbing and weaving, don’t you? And, in the process finding new ways to embarrass yourself.
 
Government, in the form of the entire economy and the majority of the population is *already* overpaying for those things (with inferior outcomes), especially healthcare to the sole benefit of the top 5%, the private healthcare and private insurance industries. Universal healthcare systems IN EVERY OTHER developed economy (and many developing economies) consistently achieve better results with lower expenditure. One of the major jobs of a government is to provide the greatest good to the greatest number of citizens—not protect the wealthy.

I’m not embarrassed.

You talk like the government is not already driving costs up with Medicare, mandates, regulations, subsidies and student loans.

People that can afford it in most every country with socialized medicine often go to the private sector for care, if it’s so great, why does most everyone not use it?

Same with education, people that can afford it often go private.

As more “socialized” countries are becoming more and more capitalist, the left want to make the US more socialist.

[mogandave]

 
Not providing those things is not a saving to society. It is only a saving for the top 5%
 
I could write a lot about this, but, fear not, I will limit myself to one example.
 
By law, created by Congress, student loans cannot be discharged even in cases of bankruptcy. Who does this benefit? The big lenders holding—and profiting from—$1.5 trillion in student loans. Meanwhile, a billion dollar airline going bankrupt (just for fun, guess which airline I’m thinking of) can walk away from all obligations, leaving creditors and passengers high and dry. Citizens, with resulting depleted 401k’s, pay.

The government now funds student loans in the US, not the private sector.

Does that not embarrass you?

Northwest?

[Longcut]

On 5/3/2019 at 5:26 AM, twocatsmac said:

Have the democrats really nobody better than this creep? 

 Biden is such an embarrassing person and the whole world knows what he’s about. 

Truely a party in disarray.

Joe Biden is the guy that outed Seal Team 6 after the killing of Osama Bin Laden. Putting all their families in danger. This guy just can't keep a secret. Is this the guy you want running a country? Putting his own men at risk. 

[Tug]

1 hour ago, Longcut said:

Joe Biden is the guy that outed Seal Team 6 after the killing of Osama Bin Laden. Putting all their families in danger. This guy just can't keep a secret. Is this the guy you want running a country? Putting his own men at risk. 

How about your boy blabbing his big mouth to the Russians in the Oval Office?and I doubt what you say they are a military famialy not grifters like the trumps

[mogandave]

How about your boy blabbing his big mouth to the Russians in the Oval Office?and I doubt what you say they are a military famialy not grifters like the trumps

For moment I thought you were talking about President Obama talking to Medvedev in Seoul...

More but-but-but-but....

The topic is Biden, not Trump.

[Longcut]

2 hours ago, Tug said:

How about your boy blabbing his big mouth to the Russians in the Oval Office?and I doubt what you say they are a military famialy not grifters like the trumps

Don't believe it? Google it. 

[Longcut]

3 hours ago, Tug said:

How about your boy blabbing his big mouth to the Russians in the Oval Office?and I doubt what you say they are a military famialy not grifters like the trumps

Don't recall military families having to move to secret locations because of anything Trump said.

[Longcut]

3 hours ago, Tug said:

How about your boy blabbing his big mouth to the Russians in the Oval Office?and I doubt what you say they are a military famialy not grifters like the trumps

Navy SEAL Team 6 became a household name for their role in killing Osama bin Laden. On May 1, 2011, the country rightly celebrated the death of bin Laden. The Obama administration, however, wanted to do more. It sought to claim full credit for the assassination, deciding to spike the football. On May 3, at an event in Washington, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. did the unthinkable: He publicly revealed the identity of the special-operations unit responsible for bin Laden’s killing. His reckless action put at risk the lives of every member of SEAL Team 6. The Taliban and other jihadists eager to avenge bin Laden now knew which unit to target. Stunned and shocked, SEALmembers immediately realized they were going to be hunted by al Qaeda sympathizers.

[Jingthing]

30 minutes ago, Longcut said:

Navy SEAL Team 6 became a household name for their role in killing Osama bin Laden. On May 1, 2011, the country rightly celebrated the death of bin Laden. The Obama administration, however, wanted to do more. It sought to claim full credit for the assassination, deciding to spike the football. On May 3, at an event in Washington, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. did the unthinkable: He publicly revealed the identity of the special-operations unit responsible for bin Laden’s killing. His reckless action put at risk the lives of every member of SEAL Team 6. The Taliban and other jihadists eager to avenge bin Laden now knew which unit to target. Stunned and shocked, SEALmembers immediately realized they were going to be hunted by al Qaeda sympathizers. 

Not your writing. 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/7/the-betrayal-of-the-navys-seal-team-6/

 

 

[utalkin2me]

On 5/6/2019 at 3:35 PM, Jingthing said:

Obama isn't running, I don't have a daughter, but I wouldn't worry one bit about either of them if I did. 

If you can watch those videos of biden with children and say you would leave your daughter alone in a room with him, that is sorta scary. I do not even believe you and I am doing you a favor by not believing you. The alternative is way too scary. 

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, utalkin2me said:

If you can watch those videos of biden with children and say you would leave your daughter alone in a room with him, that is sorta scary. I do not even believe you and I am doing you a favor by not believing you. The alternative is way too scary. 

No, it's true. There is nothing wrong with Biden's behavior. He's an affectionate man with all kinds of people. To accuse him of being a sexual predator and/or pedo is SICK. Even the women that have complained that they feel their space had been violated have been clear -- NO SEXUAL ASSAULT.

Edited May 7, 2019 by Jingthing

[utalkin2me]

7 hours ago, mogandave said:

 

It’s labeled “Socialism” because it IS socialism, which is what the left wants.

You seem to be confusing the left with classic liberalism.

 

Republicans really have had way too easy a job for the last 60 or so years. All they need to do is say "socialism" and they just scared everyone into voting their way... yet they didn't even have an argument to actually back it up. They just said a word. 

 

The same republican's kids go to "socialistic" schools, and they get scanned through "socialistic" airport security. Heaven forbid the beautiful socialistic libraries and parks they have all been enjoying. 

 

You can't just say a word and win any longer. It seems people have finally pulled their heads out. Going to a socialistic doctor now makes a world of sense to everyone, and the reason is because the data supports it. We obviously do not know how to spend money in hospitals, and that is exactly because it is not based in socialism, the word you are so afraid of. 

 

https://images.app.goo.gl/B74K3mSAiYrMNaxf9

[utalkin2me]

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No, it's true. There is nothing wrong with Biden's behavior. He's an affectionate man with all kinds of people. To accuse him of being a sexual predator and/or pedo is SICK. Even the women that have complained that they feel their space had been violated have been clear -- NO SEXUAL ASSAULT.

You are sounding about like the parents who left their kids with Michael Jackson. Many of them sincerely duped I would say, but that still does not make what they did the right move.

 

You have already stated you would leave your daughter alone in a room with him in an attempt to gain leverage in a discussion. Imo, it makes you look disingenuous and wrong, at the same time, something that is difficult to do. 

[Longcut]

21 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Not your writing. 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/7/the-betrayal-of-the-navys-seal-team-6/

 

 

Wow! Did you figure that out by yourself? When I am told it is not true, I feel it is necessary to provide proof. There are numerous cases of proof.

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, utalkin2me said:

You are sounding about like the parents who left their kids with Michael Jackson. Many of them sincerely duped I would say, but that still does not make what they did the right move.

 

You have already stated you would leave your daughter alone in a room with him in an attempt to gain leverage in a discussion. Imo, it makes you look disingenuous and wrong, at the same time, something that is difficult to do. 

No, Biden is nothing at all like Michael Jackson. We'll have to agree to disagree. I find your obsession with falsely accusing Joe Biden of being a pedo to be bizarre, unfounded, and ridiculous. We can end this exchange now. 

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, Longcut said:

Wow! Did you figure that out by yourself? When I am told it is not true, I feel it is necessary to provide proof. There are numerous cases of proof.

You want some free entertainment? Go that Washington Times (right wing propaganda) link and read the COMMENTS. 

[Longcut]

26 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You want some free entertainment? Go that Washington Times (right wing propaganda) link and read the COMMENTS. 

Fine then take your pick. There are many more to choose from if this is not enough. Your making yourself look foolish denying this. 

My heart goes out to those parents. I watched the entire 3 hour press conference. Some of the testimonies brought tears to my eyes. I listen to Jeff Kuhner on Boston station WRKO. I hope he keeps talking about this until people become as outraged at this latest revelation about the Obama administration. 

 

Edited May 7, 2019 by Longcut

[earlinclaifornia]

 

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html#polls

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - General Election: Trump vs. Biden

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - General Election: Trump vs. Biden

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Edited May 7, 2019 by earlinclaifornia

[Longcut]

13 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

 

I remember others saying the same thing about someone named? Well, I can't remember her name. But, you know who I mean.

[earlinclaifornia]

On 5/3/2019 at 10:08 AM, mogandave said:

 

It didn’t disqualify President Clinton.

 

Well, Clinton, Trump, Biden, Cheney, and Romney all received student deferments while in college.

• Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford when he might have been drafted, and so was not drafted. There has been conjecture about how induction was delayed until his matriculation at Oxford.
• Trump had a series of student deferments. When these expired, a doctor certified that he had bad feet, leading to a 4F exemption (“unfit”). There has been suspicion about the validity of that certification.
• Biden had a series of deferments. When the student deferments ran out, his pre-induction physical resulted in a 4F classification because of childhood asthma.
• Cheney, by the time his series of student deferments ended, had married and was soon to become a father. He applied for and received a 3A (hardship) classification.

[earlinclaifornia]

5 minutes ago, Longcut said:

I remember others saying the same thing about someone named? Well, I can't remember her name. But, you know who I mean.

Great thoughtful input, SCOFF

[Jingthing]

Funny, as sad as it is what Joe Biden did in this story. I never called him names. I somehow feel sorry for the man.

 You on the other hand always show your true colors. I pity you and anyone that associates with you.

The bone spurs draft dodge thing has been verified as real. He lied. No bone spurs.

Here you are attacking me for highlighting a truth about the president and your reply is a personal attack on me who isn't running for anything. That's rich.

BTW I don't believe that you feel sorry for Biden.

 

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[stevenl]

He is not getting the democratic ticket. Too old and too much sexual harassment history.

[Jingthing]

He is not getting the democratic ticket. Too old and too much sexual harassment history.

Careful. He might and if he does he'll be a million times better than 45.

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[mogandave]

I would not leave my son or daughter with anyone I didn’t know.

I’m no Biden supporter, and I think he’s kind of creepy, a phony, and not very bright, but I do not believe he’s a pedophile, child molester or some kind of predator.

This whole film clip thing is ridiculous.

[Thakkar]

10 hours ago, mogandave said:

 

And you think government increasing its funding of universities and healthcare will drive the cost down, I don’t. I think it will drive the costs up, and the quality down even faster than it already is.
 

 

The experience in every other developed country says otherwise.

[Thakkar]

9 hours ago, mogandave said:

 

I’m not embarrassed.

You talk like the government is not already driving costs up with Medicare, mandates, regulations, subsidies and student loans.

People that can afford it in most every country with socialized medicine often go to the private sector for care, if it’s so great, why does most everyone not use it?

Same with education, people that can afford it often go private.

As more “socialized” countries are becoming more and more capitalist, the left want to make the US more socialist.

 

In terms of outcomes, Medicare is on par with private care, at a lower cost.

 

By bringing up the abundantly available private care, if people so choose, in countries with universal healthcare, you are undermining your own argument that universal healthcare is some evil socialism (presumably of the old Soviet type where no one an be or go to a private doctor). People may chose private care for a lot of reasons (shorter wait times for non essential procedures, etc) even when universal healthcare is available. Most won’t. And, importantly, no one suffers, dies, delays seeing a doctor, or goes bankrupt from health bills.

 

There will always be better off people willing to pay more for speedier appointments, swankier hospital rooms, better school facilities, smaller classes and such. They are free to do so. Proof, again, that we are not talking about Soviet style authoritarian socialism.

 

As more “socialized” countries are becoming more and more capitalist, the left want to make the US more socialist.

 

There’s no perfect system. Societies continuously tweak their systems for many reasons. Sometimes they end up making it better, sometimes worse. Most metrics tell us that the US health system is performing poorly in relation to other developed countries. It makes sense to learn from others’ success.

 

[Thakkar]

10 hours ago, mogandave said:

 

The government now funds student loans in the US, not the private sector.

Does that not embarrass you?

Northwest?

 

 

High fees mean Government loans are almost never enough and most have to resort to private loans as well. It’s a pretty big business.

 

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