Children Who Shout and / or Screech - what is the condition ? Is it similar to ADHD's ?

[Speedo1968]

On 5/6/2019 at 4:53 PM, Puchaiyank said:

This may not be the problem...but it is worth investigating...

 

Tourette syndrome (TS) is a neurological disorder characterized by repetitive, stereotyped, involuntary movements and vocalizations called tics.

Sorry for the delay in responding to your comment.

Yes, Tourette's I have seen although not with children, my observations have been that it seems to affect women more than men, the women often elderly and thin and perhaps this latter due to malnutrition ( something that is also becoming obvious in children though not necessarily due to lack of food ); although I may be 'way out' with these comments.

 

Your remark "characterized by repetitive, stereotyped, involuntary movements" would this include almost constant flicking of eyes ?      Have seen this with young people who are constantly using Iphones example on a songtel or bus journey, this may be screen flicker, perhaps something that will affect people in the future !?

 

You made a comment about meat not being a cause but sugar yes.   I have been in farming in many different countries since 1961 at the front line and later as a freelance tech advisor.    I agree with you about sugar and its replacements but, what about all the goodies that go with the meat either ex farm or during cooking and at the table such as MSG - although this has been unproven ( sic ) so I read.

 

 

[Speedo1968]

On 5/6/2019 at 5:06 PM, OneEyedPie said:

It's now quite common to attribute bad parenting and the associated bad behaviour of the offspring with a trendy diagnosis.  

 

I suspect the big pharma companies are in on the act.  

My apologies from not responding earlier to your comments.

 

ADHD's is certainly not a trendy diagnosis, early observations go back to 1902 and in the mid 1960's medication ( Ritalin ) started to play a part in it's control.

 

Medication can work but each child is different as is each childs home environment; however much one may dislike the pharma companies when a child with ADHD's who has not been given medication or not given properly attempts to kill its younger sibling - then medication is the only choice - yet it is ultimately down to the parent.

 

All individual components and the full condition of ADHD's can obviously be affected by parenting.  This may be where the parent is ashamed of their child having the condition, where the mother may feel she has let the childs father down by giving birth to a child with the condition ( yes always the womans fault ), where the parent does not take the child to see a doctor / specialist, where the parent says "not my child" when the doctor / specialist suggests the correct medication ( i do mean the correct medication ), where the parent accepts the medication but does not use it or the full dose or not regularly, where the parent gives the child the medication but it makes no difference so they dont go back for advise, where no one, family or friend, advises or complains to the parent about the childs behaviour, where the school does not advise the parent - for whatever reason - about the childs behaviour etc. etc. etc.

 

As far as I am aware bad parenting does not create ADHD's in children but it certainly does exacerbate the condition if it is there, even to the point where a child may cause serious physical harm to another child, especially a younger sibling or as I have seen to a dog..    I have seen this a number of times.    I have taught a number of children with ADHD's at been at the sharp end of unprovoked ( in my mind ) attacks both physical and with objects thrown at me.

[BritManToo]

5 minutes ago, Speedo1968 said:

ADHD's is certainly not a trendy diagnosis, early observations go back to 1902 and in the mid 1960's medication ( Ritalin ) started to play a part in it's control.

I used to have it (1960s), but my parents and teachers hit me until I learned not to have it.

[Speedo1968]

On 5/6/2019 at 5:16 PM, KhaoYai said:

Children Who Shout and / or Screech - what is the condition ?

If its a female child - most likely not a condition, just training for later years.

 

Seriously though, children are born with an empty head - they fill it with what they learn from those around them. My daughter screams and shouts at her kids when they misbehave - now they scream and shout back. Neither me or her mum shouted at her when she was younger - I believe her problem is stress caused by having 3 children too young and the resulting social and financial pressures.

 

Far too many claims of this condition and that condition these days, whilst some may exist, I think most are the result of poor parenting. If you teach a child that the reaction to something they've done is to scream and shout - don't be surprised when they do the same.

Many thanks for your reply, my apologies for the delay.

 

As for the female getout clause I appreciate the humour, as a male in my 70's I often get the sense that my head is more empty now than it was a few years ago as a child.

 

I have seen boys of around 10 years of age who are often given charge of their younger sister.   Whether or not there is any thing to it, when the younger child misbehaves the boy shouts at the child who, if it is a girl eventually shouts back like her mother would.     Unfortunately I have also seen violence and then the child becomes frightened, cries louder and louder and like a circle it goes...   No sign of ADHD's in the boys although they are often exceedingly obese which leads on to diet.

 

 

[Speedo1968]

13 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I used to have it (1960s), but my parents and teachers hit me until I learned not to have it.

Sorry to read you had it in the past.

Children I have seen here seem to start to grow out / start to grow out of it from about 11 years.

I can understand the teachers attitude having been at school in England in the 1950's, a school where corporal punishment was regularly dealt out, including public caneings.

I can also remember doing some teacher training myself ( looking at an alternative career ) where the teachers all hid in the teachers room.

[Speedo1968]

On 5/6/2019 at 5:21 PM, CGW said:

From what I have seen here its usually an overdose of sugar and chemicals, the parents feed the kids coke and other crappy drinks and foods then wonder why they are running around in circles stimulated by caffeine and sugar at an age when they should be getting none! 

Sorry for my late response.

I agree that sugar etc in what are now "everyday at least once" drinks for children aged 4 years ( even younger ) kick them in the wrong place.    Many I fear will end up with early diabetes.    I have a strict diet through choice for 45 years ( now in my 70's ) but I still enjoy my early morning black coffee no sugar at a pavement vendor.    

I worked and lived for some years in Paraguay both as a trainee gaucho and with my own farm, no coffee but drinking yerba mate which certainly woke you up for an early morning ride.

[Speedo1968]

On 5/6/2019 at 8:54 PM, OneEyedPie said:

When was the last time you heard health professionals deem kids are eating too much meat other than the vegan brigade?  You're very short on detail.

I am vegan for 40 years I have also been in farming since 1961 in different countries starting as a farm worker and later as a freelance consultant.

There is nothing wrong ( ethics aside ) from eating meat but a Mediterranean diet would be more beneficial to ones health.

Of course there are things in meat ( red / white ) ex farm that should not be there, there are things that are added by production companies and the cook and the consumer.

There are also things in most things we harvest ( meat / veg / grains / fruits etc ) that 50 years ago ( or less ) would not have been there.    This is where mans slow evolution comes in to conflict with things it is not designed to digest and gain nourishment from.

The "too much meat" probably means overall food intake which contains far in excess of things we do not need such as sugar / fats etc, and lack of exercise, especially in Thailand leads to early obesity and poor digestion.

A good example in Thailand would be the high intake of milk ( laced with sugar etc. ) which the Thai is not accustomed to, or needs.

 

[Speedo1968]

Have noticed a 3 year old boy that lives alone with his grandmother.    He has little if any social contact with others , neither children or adults.    He shouts, not words but in response to an event, he has no conversation skills.    

 

As for older children who shout, as mentioned before most seem to be boys and most are already obese, I wonder if there is a link between diet.

[rodentwarrior]

Lots of noise about diet, sugar, soda drinks, blah blah blah.

 

Bad parenting is simply that.  Bad parents make all sorts of excuses to point the finger away from themselves.

 

Thai parents are mostly terrible examples to their offspring, but it's not a Thai thing.  It's exactly the same here in the Philippines, bloody awful parents producing bloody awful children.  No punishments, no consequences.  Spare the rod, spoil the child.

 

When I was a kid at school in the 1960's UK, there was no attention deficiency bullshit, you either behaved, or you got a beating.  It's really that simple - kids live in the moment, and require constant direction.  Would you drive a car without a steering wheel?