Rich Indians to the Rescue as Chinese Tourists Shun Thailand

[petemoss]

5 minutes ago, observer90210 said:

Rather based on individual stupidity and jealousy.

Why would I be jealous of someone sharing a bottle of water/girl with 3 others? Surely denial of facts that I have seen with my own eyes a number of times would be stupid.

[ThomasThBKK]

19 minutes ago, petemoss said:

Why would I be jealous of someone sharing a bottle of water/girl with 3 others? Surely denial of facts that I have seen with my own eyes a number of times would be stupid.

Yeah i am also very jealous and would like to trade my german eu passport in for an indian, where's the line for us?

[petemoss]

Just now, ThomasThBKK said:

Yeah i am also very jealous and would like to trade my german eu passport in for an indian, where's the line for us?

Well I'd like to trade my British (soon to be non-EU) passport for a German EU passport. Any chance of a trade?

[sunnyboy2018]

On 7/8/2019 at 12:31 AM, geoffbezoz said:

Suppose they reached the Thai governments acceptable death rates for Chinese visitors, they will have a go at the Indians now.

With 80 murders in london this year and 80 dead a day in usa via OD and guns your comment is just the usual ill informed racist view of Pattaya 

[sunnyboy2018]

On 7/11/2019 at 9:58 PM, Lingba said:

Rich Indians??….Oxymoron

Pure ignorance of the fact that there are many wealthy Indians and millionaires.  Worth a lot more than you. Ever heard of the Tata or Bata families. 

[geoffbezoz]

41 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

With 80 murders in london this year and 80 dead a day in usa via OD and guns your comment is just the usual ill informed racist view of Pattaya 

You seem confused about facts.

[Olmate]

3 hours ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Pure ignorance of the fact that there are many wealthy Indians and millionaires.  Worth a lot more than you. Ever heard of the Tata or Bata families. 

Yeah,I’m an Ozzie with jack <deleted>, ever heard of the Murdoch’s?

[DrTuner]

Ha, I'll top ya all, my roots are in what is now Russian territory near St. Petersburg, hence, I must be related to the Romanovs. If that ain't enough, I can prove my DNA lineage makes me an ascendant of Genkhis Khan. Bow yeee peasants!

 

And that's just as relevant as the Indian rulers from millenia ago are to the Indian tourists in Thailand. As in no relevance whatsoever.

[CharlieH]

1 hour ago, Olmate said:

Yeah,I’m an Ozzie with jack <deleted>, ever heard of the Murdoch’s?

As in Murdoch University ? Murdoch publishing group, sub district of Perth ? Yeah I know em ????

[Olmate]

7 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

As in Murdoch University ? Murdoch publishing group, sub district of Perth ? Yeah I know em ????

As in Rupert,James,Lochlan,Casinos etc etc, not sure about Perth ,that uni has nothing to do with that dynasty.

Edited July 14, 2019 by Olmate

[SoulKid]

On 7/12/2019 at 6:34 AM, DrTuner said:

Everybody can make a distinction between say Indians and Japanese, both Asians but couldn't be culturally further apart. However for Indians it seems to be Indians and others. Some sort of faux entitlement based on distant, glorified history. Little maharajas sipping their 4-to-1 coke. It's annoying.

There is a difference between South Asian and East Asias. South Asians are culturally very similar and East Asians are totally different. What kind of comparison is that? Go back to school and learn something.
Wherever the Brits have settled during the colonial rule, all of those places have the same type of people. They all think they're very rich, still rule the world and that people of color are still poor slaves.
I guess it's definitely in the poisoned blood of these privileged colonial goons to feel proud of their disgraceful history and still after decades act like they are the ones ruling the world.
It's time to wake up from your dreams of long dead British Empire and see the reality that your race is soon going to vanish from the face of the earth. There will be brown people everywhere.
 

Those Maharajas you are talking about had more wealth than the entire British Empire at that time. It's a fact. The rich visitors from England used to stay in those Maharaja's palaces and bask in it's riches as they could never afford it. Later the British stole everything, including the famous Kohinoor Diamond, that their shameless monarch still wears on her crown.

Those Maharajas used to use your Rolls Royces for sweeping the dirty streets of India back in the 1920s. One guy even bought your Jaguar and Land Rover. Others are taking over your companies almost every year.
You know why? Because they were also insulted by some low life brits at that time about their poor looks.
So be careful next time you insult an Indian on a road. He might come the next day to buy your house, your company and your livelihood like they are doing right now and you'll be on the road begging for money like the rest of the farangs do in Thailand.

 

On 7/13/2019 at 5:09 AM, lamyai3 said:

Yes, talk of Indian wealth is a smokescreen. It's the second most unequal country in the world after Russia, with 58.4% of the country's wealth owned by the top 1% - this is far worse than the excesses under the British administration. Anyone visiting the country will certainly be awed by the experience (it's incredible by any definition), but horrified by the poverty and inequality levels. Nothing in Thailand remotely compares. 

The inequality is present in any highly populated country. Even in less populated countries it's present. It is fairly easy to manage and feed a few million in small tiny country of yours but it takes years of development and sacrifices to do the same thing for a billion plus people. So these stats are totally pointless and baseless. When the British left India after taking all the remaining wealth, the population that time was close to the population of America today. America, even after having all the wealth in the world is still struggling to provide houses for the ever growing homeless population and struggling to give jobs and feed the people with increased poverty. How do you think that happened? Because of wealth inequality that is present in every country in the world. The rich 1% have all the money while the rest are fending for themselves.

 

Thailand is no exception. There's just one Bangkok and few other small tourist cities. Rest of the country is highly poor with no infrastructure and relies on farming only. Because of better climate the farming sector in Thailand is good and the people are able to survive but that is not the case in big country like India with different climate in different regions which makes farming not a viable option for millions living in drought prone areas or deserts. Their lives heavily depends on Monsoon rains. That's why everyone rushes to the hundreds of big cities all over India to find work and to live a normal life. Today the Indian middle and upper middle classes have as much spending power as middle and upper middle classes of developed counties. But middle class is slowing diminishing in developed countries and soon it's going to be only poor and rich, while the middle class growing in India very fast
Inequality and poverty are always going to be there in every country. But it's not something that should stop any country from growing and developing.

[SoulKid]

17 hours ago, Olmate said:

Yeah,I’m an Ozzie with jack <deleted>, ever heard of the Murdoch’s?

Murdoch's are worth like $20 billion. 90+ in top 100.

The Ambanis and Tatas are worth more than $50 billion each, born in India and wealth in India. Also there are more than 130 Billionaires in India ranking 3rd in the world. There are more than 300K millionaires and by 2027 it'll be a million millionaires. Many of them will be those poor kids you all are talking about.

Also, the richest man in UK is from Hinduja Family of billionaires, also Indian (that must've hurt the Brits in this audience).

Edited July 14, 2019 by SoulKid

[observer90210]

On 7/11/2019 at 4:26 AM, bert bloggs said:

I find that there are two 'India"s" one is the Hindu India ,which i quite liked the other is the "Islamic" India which i found shall we say not very nice .

But those long beard fellows really do know how to make excellent kebabs and naans (the round breads) , one must admit ????

[lamyai3]

3 hours ago, SoulKid said:

The inequality is present in any highly populated country...... 

Ah, Trollkid is back. I'm not convinced you've ever been to India, as not a thing you've written suggests any familiarity with the place as it exists in modern times. Are you sure you're not typing this after dinner, from your mum's basement in Barnstaple? The amount of historical guff you keep repeating, imbued with the hard left leanings of much of British Academia suggests it's all part of a dissertation for your Colonial Studies programme.

If you did know India, you'd realise that no one in their right mind could brush the inequality and poverty there under the carpet. It's totally disproportionate to any of the other places you mention, and it's three times as high now as it was at it's peak under British rule. If you'd ever got off a plane at Mumbai International, you must have noticed the stench immediately on exiting the terminal, from the unchecked slums of Andheri East and Dharavi? To keep harping on about the sins of people who lived so long ago is crazy. We Brits got plundered by the Vikings, but you don't hear us whinging about rape and pillage.

 

Why have things worsened? You could start with population explosion. You talk about brown people taking over the world like you're pleased by the fact, yet the reason these communities have such big families is the hope that at least one of their kids will be able to scrub up enough wealth to keep the rest of their family afloat. Not to mention the archaic religious beliefs that ban contraception and shun normal healthy sexual behaviour (hence the frequent jocular references in these threads to the very amusing antics of Indians on the pull in places like Pattaya). 

 

No one is excusing inequality in the US and Thailand, no one is claiming the greatness of Britain in this thread. If you think that's what you're reading you need to switch to Comprehension Studies. These places are all in a parlous state in modern times, and each hold responsibility for it through their own respective national policies. But in your eyes, India can do no wrong, in spite that it's greatness was something that existed centuries ago. Citing Indian billionaires does nothing to support your case - a country with a tiny fraction of people holding such absurd amounts of wealth, when so many others are cutting off limbs to give them a begging advantage is obscene. If you're looking to right social wrongs, you're looking in totally the wrong place. 

[DrTuner]

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/si.pov.gini?most_recent_value_desc=false&view=map

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient

 

Quote

In economics, the Gini coefficient (/ˈdʒiːni/ JEE-nee), sometimes called Gini index, or Gini ratio, is a measure of statistical dispersion intended to represent the income or wealth distribution of a nation's residents, and is the most commonly used measurement of inequality.

 

There's the gini index for the pedants so they can start fighting over it for the next five pages. The data it's based on comes with the usual lorryloads of salt since it's likely from corrupt governments so caveat emptor. Scroll down for India. 

 

Of course it's just a product of evil colonialists. Sounds familiar, eh, always somebody else's fault? What do they call farangs in there?

[sunnyboy2018]

On 7/8/2019 at 1:47 AM, SteveStevens said:

How would you feel if you're a Thai girl making a deal with a group of east Indians who want a 4 for 1 deal?  ????

I first saw this in Patpong in 1990. I last saw it last year in WS. Its the girls decision. 

[sunnyboy2018]

11 hours ago, lamyai3 said:

Ah, Trollkid is back. I'm not convinced you've ever been to India, as not a thing you've written suggests any familiarity with the place as it exists in modern times. Are you sure you're not typing this after dinner, from your mum's basement in Barnstaple? The amount of historical guff you keep repeating, imbued with the hard left leanings of much of British Academia suggests it's all part of a dissertation for your Colonial Studies programme.

If you did know India, you'd realise that no one in their right mind could brush the inequality and poverty there under the carpet. It's totally disproportionate to any of the other places you mention, and it's three times as high now as it was at it's peak under British rule. If you'd ever got off a plane at Mumbai International, you must have noticed the stench immediately on exiting the terminal, from the unchecked slums of Andheri East and Dharavi? To keep harping on about the sins of people who lived so long ago is crazy. We Brits got plundered by the Vikings, but you don't hear us whinging about rape and pillage.

 

Why have things worsened? You could start with population explosion. You talk about brown people taking over the world like you're pleased by the fact, yet the reason these communities have such big families is the hope that at least one of their kids will be able to scrub up enough wealth to keep the rest of their family afloat. Not to mention the archaic religious beliefs that ban contraception and shun normal healthy sexual behaviour (hence the frequent jocular references in these threads to the very amusing antics of Indians on the pull in places like Pattaya). 

 

No one is excusing inequality in the US and Thailand, no one is claiming the greatness of Britain in this thread. If you think that's what you're reading you need to switch to Comprehension Studies. These places are all in a parlous state in modern times, and each hold responsibility for it through their own respective national policies. But in your eyes, India can do no wrong, in spite that it's greatness was something that existed centuries ago. Citing Indian billionaires does nothing to support your case - a country with a tiny fraction of people holding such absurd amounts of wealth, when so many others are cutting off limbs to give them a begging advantage is obscene. If you're looking to right social wrongs, you're looking in totally the wrong place. 

I was in Ambala Kant near Chandagar in 73. An old Sikh man told me: ' When the British left India justice left India'

[sunnyboy2018]

On 7/14/2019 at 3:11 AM, Olmate said:

Yeah,I’m an Ozzie with jack <deleted>, ever heard of the Murdoch’s?

Unfortunately 

[DrTuner]

Here's a timely article from Bloomberg:

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-04/a-global-guide-to-what-it-means-to-be-part-of-the-1

 

And here's a snapshot of a graph in that article:

 

 

81k USD gross to be a one percenter in India. Very rich indeed. Not.

Edited July 15, 2019 by DrTuner

[sunnyboy2018]

There is extraordinary racist arrogance from some TV posters on this thread criticising visitors from India, Russia,  China as though the writers are somehow superior,  better tourists. I suspect many have racist attitudes towards Thais. There has always been a large Arab and Iranian presence in Pattaya for over a decade.  The returning Russian are mainly families with kids. The Indians are a mixed bunch both Loso and Hiso. Which bunch you meet reflects where you hang out. This bunch are happy go lucky polite economy travellers.

Just doing their thing happy to be on holiday. 

Edited July 15, 2019 by sunnyboy2018

[5633572526]

On 7/7/2019 at 7:19 PM, alfalfa19 said:

I have seen extraordinary racism in thailand towards Indians.  I don't know if it's justified or not, I have little experience with Indians in Thailand.  The ones I meet here in the US seem alright. 

I also had a higher opinion of Indians before I moved here and my opinion of them has deteriorated greatly.

[ThomasThBKK]

55 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

There is extraordinary racist arrogance from some TV posters on this thread criticising visitors from India, Russia,  China as though the writers are somehow superior,  better tourists. I suspect many have racist attitudes towards Thais. There has always been a large Arab and Iranian presence in Pattaya for over a decade.  The returning Russian are mainly families with kids. The Indians are a mixed bunch both Loso and Hiso. Which bunch you meet reflects where you hang out. This bunch are happy go lucky polite economy travellers.

Just doing their thing happy to be on holiday. 

Nah you don't get it man, we don't make fun of those nationalities. Ok maybe we do, to make our points clearer but in reality we don't give a damn about them.

 

We make fun of the thai government trying to sell us, the thais, and everyone else crap 24/7.

Thinking we are stupid enough to believe whatever they come up with next, instead of just recognizing their mistakes and fixing them.

 

 

They are living in a bubble. Bubbles blast.

[Traubert]

On 7/13/2019 at 7:39 AM, lamyai3 said:

Yes, talk of Indian wealth is a smokescreen. It's the second most unequal country in the world after Russia, with 58.4% of the country's wealth owned by the top 1% - this is far worse than the excesses under the British administration. Anyone visiting the country will certainly be awed by the experience (it's incredible by any definition), but horrified by the poverty and inequality levels. Nothing in Thailand remotely compares. 

1% of Indian people is around 15m.

 

Take the next 10% of the wealth and its maybe 23m people.

 

Why wouldn't Thailand try and attract them? After all, on a Thai Air Boeing 737 160 seater, at 4 to a seat, and all sharing one meal, they could fly in 640 of them for the same landing fee.

 

You people have no idea how ridiculously you portray yourselves. White supremacy taken to a new level.

[lamyai3]

1 hour ago, Traubert said:

You people have no idea how ridiculously you portray yourselves.

Sounds like you've never been and have no idea what you're talking about. 

[petemoss]

7 hours ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

There is extraordinary racist arrogance from some TV posters on this thread criticising visitors from India, Russia,  China as though the writers are somehow superior,  better tourists. I suspect many have racist attitudes towards Thais. There has always been a large Arab and Iranian presence in Pattaya for over a decade.  The returning Russian are mainly families with kids. The Indians are a mixed bunch both Loso and Hiso. Which bunch you meet reflects where you hang out. This bunch are happy go lucky polite economy travellers.

Just doing their thing happy to be on holiday. 

"Economy travellers" that'll be about right. French connection Hotel, Pratumnak. 500 baht/night, no restaurant, eat on the floor in your room with everyone else staying in that room. 90% Indian guests.

 

Guest friendly. BYO team ladyboy and a good time will be had by all.

 

Notice that they are having a good time without women or even a single beer. Not even a bottle of water with 4 straws in sight. Popular with Indians because there's a nearby 7/11.

[DrTuner]

7 hours ago, Traubert said:

1% of Indian people is around 15m.

And to be in that 1% you need to earn 81k USD gross, as per the bloomberg article I quoted. That'd be middle class Westies. Bloomberg (or Financial Times, can't remember which) also defined "rich" not so long ago, it was 25M US net wealth IIRC. So it's safe to say the rich aren't coming in swarms to Thailand, they are 0.001% or so of the Indians. The ones in the lower income bracket are coming and in western scale, they'd belong in the lower blue collar income ladder.

 

The western two week millionaires blew their yearly savings when they came here in the good old days. No such thing with the average Indian. It's quantity over quality all the way, thanks to Kobkarn who opened the flood gates and destroyed it all.

Edited July 16, 2019 by DrTuner

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎7‎/‎8‎/‎2019 at 11:32 AM, piewarmer said:

The Thai exchange rate gives poor value to tourists, once the rich Indians have had their one visit they will move on to greener pastures, just like the Chinese. I don't know any Thai who has nice things to say about Indian people, they will feel unwelcome, so I don't expect any long term boom.

I once saw an Indian try to haggle the 10 baht for a baht bus trip in Pattaya! 

Are they really into luxury beach resorts? Most that I've seen are trying to get bargain rates along Pattaya's beach walkway after dark, but not to be seen in the bars.

Seems to me that if really rich Indians wanted a  beach holiday they'd go to places like the Maldives. Thailand has, unfortunately, become a low end destination with some high class hotels and resorts, but soon as one walks out the gate one is in the decrepitude that marks most of the towns and cities I've been to. Rip off songtheaws, dirty streets and broken infrastructure greet every visitor. At least in Pattaya the fixed route baht buses are a bargain, but the sea is toxic and they have such charming sights as the sewage plant right next to the entrance to Pattaya's premier tourist attraction, the Walking Street.

[Perhaps2more]

On 7/8/2019 at 12:51 AM, WinnieTheKhwai said:

Good.  However TAT needs to promote specific regions, it's not good enough if Indians only ever visit Pattaya and Phuket.  

They only like beaches because they can not use what they have. In India, people go open air shitting at the beach, rail tracks, parks anywhere they can, so long as it is not in their home because God will not like that.  Some of these are on youtube.

[Perhaps2more]

On 7/14/2019 at 8:25 PM, SoulKid said:

Those Maharajas you are talking about had more wealth than the entire British Empire at that time. It's a fact.

Didn't you feel something was not right with the system in India when you said that?

So much wealth to the very few, and yet so much of extreme poverty.

Hygiene is something so urgently needed in India and it should be taught in all schools and on all radio stations.

India is so famous for food poisoning, open defecation and rape.

How is it possible for people to be so backward, ignorant and selfish in a country with massive wealth?

The caste system in Hinduism makes Indians very caste conscious.

Wherever they go in the world, they are known to be looking down on other people. The caste has become social class as well.

This has become part of Indian culture. People also take that into other religions in India which do not have the caste system but in India these religions like Buddhism and Islam become caste conscious which is not in their teaching at all.

I have been to India and found it to be very sad, so much corruption everywhere, so much so that the system is not functioning. People with some money acting like they are more important than anyone else. The poor grovel and accept whatever are thrown at them and the people with little money think they are rich and enjoy taking advantage of the very poor, while the really rich think they are gods.

I would love to visit more places in India but it was not an easy place to travel, to eat, or to ignore the extreme inequality. 

When India went to Mars, I thought, shouldn't they spend money on building public toilets instead?

Whatever you say will not change the international opinion of India, unless India changes its own image and cleans up.

[petemoss]

14 minutes ago, Perhaps2more said:

The caste system in Hinduism makes Indians very caste conscious.

Wherever they go in the world, they are known to be looking down on other people. The caste has become social class as well.

Which is why they treat Thai bar girls so disgustingly. Not only are they women but they're seen as "untouchables" too (the lowest caste).

 

A foreign untouchable woman. Fair game for any acts of depravity that an Indian man wishes to foist on them.

 

 

Edited July 17, 2019 by petemoss