US will struggle to counter China’s muscle in Asia, experts say

[jany123]

7 hours ago, bristolboy said:

 

And you're wrong about the definition of concentration camps.

Concentration camp, internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment, usually by executive decree or military order. Persons are placed in such camps often on the basis of identification with a particular ethnic or political group rather than as individuals and without benefit either of indictment or fair trial. Concentration camps are to be distinguished from prisons interning persons lawfully convicted of civil crimes and from prisoner-of-war camps in which captured military personnel are held under the laws of war. 

https://www.britannica.com/topic/concentration-camp

 

The next paragraph in your link appears to suggest that @Traubert reference to concentration camps was spot on, although the paragraph you quoted, pretty much describes the purpose/ intent of the boer war concentration camps, too.

 

that said, it could be argued that Britain didn’t start there (concentration camps) use, but then, the poster didn’t actually say that they did.

 

https://www.britannica.com/topic/concentration-camp

During war, civilians have been concentrated in camps to prevent them from engaging in guerrilla warfare or providing aid to enemy forces or simply as a means of terrorizing the populace into submission. During the South African War (1899–1902) the British confined noncombatants of the republics of Transvaal and Cape Colony in concentration camps.

 

[bristolboy]

55 minutes ago, pookondee said:

IMO, The headline is absolutely accurate.

 

Trumps so called "deal making" certainly will not work in Asia.

Others who were more clever than him have tried and failed miserably.

 

Trump, and therefor USA, are kapoot.in Asia.

They have no power, no clout, no respect and whatsmore Asians think he is about as clever as a badly painted Ronald McDonald statue.

 

Asians have quite wisely kept their protectionist laws and therefor still have control over their own countries.

 

China has put in real "on the ground" commitments to its trading neighbours,

 

re money, actually building infrastructure in the "belt roads" and so on,

instead of empty promises about stupid walls that will have no purpose or benefit to anyone.

 

I have no hesitation in my bet on where the next BIG economic chrash will be.

 

Asia still has potential and is clever enough to be sticking together and therefor limiting financial exposure to USA and the west. 

 

What has the west got?

Dying markets that can no longer compete,

aging populations, whom they dont even want to give fair medical care for, let alone  pay pensions to. 

 

and of course lets not forget,  HUGE debt where soon they will have to invent new words for all the zeros in the debt figure.

 

In Trumps USA, sadly, the only power left is sanctions and starting wars, all of which wont do much good anyway

 

 

 

China's debt tops 300% of GDP, now 15% of global total: IIF

A key gauge of China’s debt has topped 300% of gross domestic product, according to the Institute of International Finance (IIF), as Beijing steps up support for the cooling economy while trying to contain financial risks.

China’s total corporate, household and government debt rose to 303% of GDP in the first quarter of 2019, from 297% in the same period a year earlier, the IIF said in a report this week which highlighted rising debt levels worldwide.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-economy-debt/chinas-debt-tops-300-of-gdp-now-15-of-global-total-iif-idUSKCN1UD0KD

Now America's total debt represents 365% of GDP. But the US government isn't investing in zombie businesses and such that have no hope of ever repaying what they owe the government. So China ain't in such great shape either as far as its finances go.

[tlandtday]

21 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

China's debt tops 300% of GDP, now 15% of global total: IIF

A key gauge of China’s debt has topped 300% of gross domestic product, according to the Institute of International Finance (IIF), as Beijing steps up support for the cooling economy while trying to contain financial risks.

China’s total corporate, household and government debt rose to 303% of GDP in the first quarter of 2019, from 297% in the same period a year earlier, the IIF said in a report this week which highlighted rising debt levels worldwide.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-economy-debt/chinas-debt-tops-300-of-gdp-now-15-of-global-total-iif-idUSKCN1UD0KD

Now America's total debt represents 365% of GDP. But the US government isn't investing in zombie businesses and such that have no hope of ever repaying what they owe the government. So China ain't in such great shape either as far as its finances go.

yeah businesses are often state run and handed to old communist loyalists with a boatload of free cash from the govt... 

Edited August 6, 2019 by tlandtday

[metisdead]

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[Sujo]

22 hours ago, dimitriv said:

 

Thank you!  ????

 

Maybe you can also respond substantively?

 

How would you call a country with concentration camps, suppression of dissenters, suppression of other religions, the occupation of other countries and claiming the territory of other countries showing the will to achieve that with military means?

 

For me concentration camps is already enough to make a conclusion.

 

I would call it the US. Ever heard of gitmo and people held there without charge?

[bristolboy]

7 minutes ago, Sujo said:

I would call it the US. Ever heard of gitmo and people held there without charge?

Yes, Gitmo is a disgrace. But there aren't hundreds of thousands of people being held in concentration camps, are there?

 

[Johnnyngai]

On 8/5/2019 at 4:16 PM, dimitriv said:

 

Yes, I was talking about Tibet. It was an independent country and China occupied it. If you go back far enough in history you can always find excuses. Do you know that New York was Dutch ?  Almost everything in what we now call the US used to be a part of some European country. And all countries in Europe were bigger or smaller in the past.  It is not an excuse to start wars hundreds of years later. Maybe Tibet was Chinese in the 16th century, but it doesn't give them the right to occupy Tibet now, and to suppress the residents.

 

The claims of China in the South China Sea were rejected by the UN, saying that there was no evidence that China had historically any rights over the waters or resources in the sea. And we all know what they are doing now.

 

I don't know about your motive to defend China. I saw you in other thread writing; "The Hong Kong people have the same level of freedom they had 22 years ago. More than they had previous to that actually, under the Brits."   It is a lie. China broke the agreement many many times and tries to undermine democracy in every way they can.

 

And about the concentration camps...  Nobody can tell how many people died there. China doesn't allow access to these camps. There was a tour, but this tour was organised by China. If you really read the articles you should know that there was no real access, no way to really see much. Saying that these tours prove that nothing is wrong there is exactly what China wants you to do.

 

 

 

 

"  I don't know about your motive to defend China. I saw you in other thread writing; "The Hong Kong people have the same level of freedom they had 22 years ago. More than they had previous to that actually, under the Brits."   It is a lie. China broke the agreement many many times and tries to undermine democracy in every way they can.  "          

 

A 50 cent wrote to a HK boy: " Stop throwing rocks for 50 cents a piece. Join us and work from the safety and comfort of your own home. The job description is attached. "  

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party    

       The 50 Cent Party, or 50 Cent Army (Chinese: 五毛党), is the colloquial term for Internet commentators (Chinese: 网络评论员) which are hired by Chinese authorities in an attempt to manipulate public opinion to the benefit of the Chinese Communist Party.[1][2] It was created during the early phases of the Internet's rollout to the wider public in China. 

 

 

[spidermike007]

The influence of the US is waning by the day. Terribly non-visionary foreign policy, and extreme hubris, combined with a total lack of understanding of the decreasing influence of America, is leading to a bizarre future. No doubt China will become more influential, and more powerful. Can America figure out a way to develop effective foreign policy for this region? I kind of doubt it, considering the mediocrity of the minds involved. It is a frightening probability, as the Chinese government is up to no good, and their agenda is very heinous indeed.