Explainer: Is it too late to hold an election before Brexit? Yes, probably

[Basil B]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

If Johnson loses a no confidence vote MPs have 14 days to form a government. That's when Tory rebels could vote for a new PM, a Remainer, someone from outside the party who would set a new referendum date and postpone leaving. Johnson could refuse to resign in which case the courts might have to be involved 

It is untested, could a coalition representing a majority of MP's form a government? does the head of that government have to be the leader of the largest party, or even a party leader?

 

For example could we have a coalition government with a more moderate Labour MP as PM, while JC still remains the Labour Party leaders? in actual fact the PM could be a member of the House of Lords, would be unconventional because the PM would not be in the commons to address MP's. 

[placnx]

For those who are non-Brits, please explain why the Tories would not have a leadership vote after 3 September. This happened to May, but failed. Among the Tory MPs, what percentage seems to currently back Brexit?

[AlexRich]

2 hours ago, Grusa said:

If not his, then whose? The Queen, methinks!

Brexit will have to be done through Parliament. Involving the Queen in any way would be a disaster ... so we’d not only see the UK break up but the Royal Family dissolved. 

[AlexRich]

45 minutes ago, placnx said:

For those who are non-Brits, please explain why the Tories would not have a leadership vote after 3 September. This happened to May, but failed. Among the Tory MPs, what percentage seems to currently back Brexit?

I believe the vast majority of Tory MP’s will back Brexit with a deal and smooth transition ... the problem is a no deal Brexit.

[placnx]

56 minutes ago, placnx said:

For those who are non-Brits, please explain why the Tories would not have a leadership vote after 3 September. This happened to May, but failed. Among the Tory MPs, what percentage seems to currently back Brexit?

 

10 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

I believe the vast majority of Tory MP’s will back Brexit with a deal and smooth transition ... the problem is a no deal Brexit.

My question regarding a leadership vote when parliament returns obviously assumes that there is no deal in sight. Anyone who understands Tory rules, please explain why no one above is debating this pivotal question! From all the above comments, it seems plausible that Brexit will go ahead (unless Irish PM does an about face).

[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Why would Johnson deliberately set an election date in October before we've left? All he has to do is set an election date for mid November. We'll be out by then so there will be no point voting for the Lib Dems, no point voting for the Brexit party and no point voting for Corbyn who has shown himself to be devoid of the stones to get anything done or even to form a position. 

 

Nope, this one's a non starter. Time for the losers to try and find another way to overturn the democratic vote. Maybe Dominic Grieve can go back to his plan of blocking the tax payers money being spent on education and housing for the poorest in society in the event of no deal. That will really help the country... 

And then , with the word of the EU "If the UK applies for re-entry, this will be approved in 2 weeks", the next UK Parliament will have no Labour and no Cons members as.. thanks to the British system, the winner per constituency gets the seat = 75+% = Lib Dem..

[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

then SE Asia might be a good place for them.

With this speed of sinking value of the GBP, in a year or so no Brit is able to afford the costs of a retirement in SE Asia...

Monex Europe Londo: 
GBP. Sterling reached a fresh 23 month low against the euro yesterday, as the single currency benefitted from its perhaps dubious status as a safe haven, a status that older market observers may remember sterling enjoying a long time ago. There was a myriad of Brexit headlines, mostly speculative, that had little immediate market impact and added little new meaningful information for sterling. No headline UK data was released and none are scheduled for today.

Edited August 7, 2019 by puipuitom

[puipuitom]

3 hours ago, Basil B said:

It is untested, could a coalition representing a majority of MP's form a government? does the head of that government have to be the leader of the largest party, or even a party leader?

 

For example could we have a coalition government with a more moderate Labour MP as PM, while JC still remains the Labour Party leaders? in actual fact the PM could be a member of the House of Lords, would be unconventional because the PM would not be in the commons to address MP's. 

Looking to a two-party government system, UK as well as USA: the "others" are the "mortal enemies", better blow up the country with all nukes, than to hand over to the "enemy". A compromise, a coalition… are words it seems, a Brit will never use.

[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, bannork said:

If Johnson loses a no confidence vote ...Johnson could refuse to resign in which case the courts might have to be involved 

Sorry, but... is THIS democracy ?  "the people are our boss "?  And in a democracy, the people - by a General Election, transfer this to a Parliament ? 

[Handsome Gardener]

5 hours ago, vogie said:

The UKs contribution to the EU went up by £2.6 billion last year because of the UKs growing economy, I find it very strange that not one remainer has ever mentioned this.

I am sure that would have helped the needy also.

you might want to analyse that comment again unless you're now a remainer ?

 

So the contribution went up due to the UK growing economy (within the EU) so the net effect was probably nil if the extra came from a bigger pot right ? You understand percentages ?

 

So back to the £2.1 bil on Bojo's no deal leaflets …..

[Handsome Gardener]

1 hour ago, puipuitom said:

With this speed of sinking value of the GBP, in a year or so no Brit is able to afford the costs of a retirement in SE Asia...

Monex Europe Londo: 
GBP. Sterling reached a fresh 23 month low against the euro yesterday, as the single currency benefitted from its perhaps dubious status as a safe haven, a status that older market observers may remember sterling enjoying a long time ago. There was a myriad of Brexit headlines, mostly speculative, that had little immediate market impact and added little new meaningful information for sterling. No headline UK data was released and none are scheduled for today.

 

and the brexiteers will still deny all responsibility for trashing the UK pound - the currency dealers have stated it quite clearly but still they absolve themselves of all blame! Its bizarre.

 

Its the uncertainty they claim - not our fault guv 

 

I think I've asked a couple of times now so lets have another go - if Brexit was a well costed, economically viable idea that would thrust the UK into better times, why isn't the pound going up ?

[placnx]

23 minutes ago, Handsome Gardener said:

I think I've asked a couple of times now so lets have another go - if Brexit was a well costed, economically viable idea that would thrust the UK into better times, why isn't the pound going up ?

The worst thing is uncertainty, certainly enough to depress the Pound. The backstop was a recipe for unending uncertainty.

 

I'm annoyed that May had three years during which her Brexit men could have worked out a solution for the border with the Irish Republic. Then there would have been no need for the backstop.

[vogie]

46 minutes ago, Handsome Gardener said:

you might want to analyse that comment again unless you're now a remainer ?

 

So the contribution went up due to the UK growing economy (within the EU) so the net effect was probably nil if the extra came from a bigger pot right ? You understand percentages ?

 

So back to the £2.1 bil on Bojo's no deal leaflets …..

Do I understand percentages, like 52% voted to leave the EU, whilst only 48% voted remain.

[gamini]

17 hours ago, pegman said:

If a non-confidence vote were to be lost could Labour try to form a government with Liberal Dem, Tory remainder & small party  support? Labour could promise a new referendum if the others granted their support.

Hope so

[alanrchase]

8 hours ago, vogie said:

The UKs contribution to the EU went up by £2.6 billion last year because of the UKs growing economy, I find it very strange that not one remainer has ever mentioned this.

I am sure that would have helped the needy also.

Maybe they don't mention it because it doesn't appear to be true? 

 

 

[3NUMBAS]

they are sorting thru the constitution for an escape clause but none are sensible or likely to succeed.boris can call an election when he likes after oct31 ..boris is made of sterner stuff than sillyboy corbyn who couldnt organise diidlysquat

[bannork]

2 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

they are sorting thru the constitution for an escape clause but none are sensible or likely to succeed.boris can call an election when he likes after oct31 ..boris is made of sterner stuff than sillyboy corbyn who couldnt organise diidlysquat

Boris might be gone in early September if there is a vote of no confidence and he loses. From that point on there are 14 days for others to elect a new PM and form a government.

A Remain Tory could be elected by Parliament with the help of Tory rebels, Labour, Lib Dems etc.

[Slip]

1 hour ago, alanrchase said:

Maybe they don't mention it because it doesn't appear to be true? 

 

 

What say you Vogie?

[vogie]

11 hours ago, Slip said:

What say you Vogie?

I say I will answer questions at my leisure and not your insistence. Please don't try and bait me again, pestering other members is not good ThaiVisa etiquette nor will they tolerate it. Have a nice day.

[Loiner]

What say you Vogie?

I’d say somebody’s been cooking the books. When did they confess that net contributions in 2014 and 2016 had been at the 11 billion mark?
Who knows what they will be for 2019 or what they would be if we didn’t Leave. Everything they produce supports a Leave argument.