Thousands protest British PM Johnson's move to suspend parliament

[the guest]

I'm sick of hearing these "remoaners" not accepting the democratic vote of the majority. UK should have left ages ago, and it is abhorrent that country still remains in the EU.

 

If the UK does not leave, then it will be classed as yet another Banana Republic.

[transam]

Won't be long now........

 

 

[evadgib]

11 minutes ago, Sujo said:

If its only a few days, so no big deal, then why shut down at all?

 

Do pollies need more holidays?

Why didn't they cancel their (July to Sept) summer holidays?

Edited September 1, 2019 by evadgib

[bangrak]

7 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Not sure these 2,000 assorted anti-democracy protesters can trump the 17.4 million Brits that actually voted to leave in the referendum?

Can you please refresh my memory giving me the number of Brits who could potentialy have voted in the referendum? Thank you! 

[DannyCarlton]

3 minutes ago, the guest said:

I'm sick of hearing these "remoaners" not accepting the democratic vote of the majority. UK should have left ages ago, and it is abhorrent that country still remains in the EU.

 

If the UK does not leave, then it will be classed as yet another Banana Republic.

By Boris/Cummings bypassing Parliamentary democracy and converting UK into executive government (same as Article 44 in Thailand) the UK can officially be classified as a banana republic now.

[transam]

1 minute ago, bangrak said:

Can you please refresh my memory giving me the number of Brits who could potentialy have voted in the referendum? Thank you! 

No need for that. Those who chose not to vote didn't care what happened, one way or the other. If they did they would have voted.

So we are left with the ones that did care, they voted to leave...

[evadgib]

3 minutes ago, bangrak said:

Can you please refresh my memory giving me the number of Brits who could potentialy have voted in the referendum? Thank you! 

Not relevant despite my own belief with hindsight that participation should be mandatory & tied to a modest tax incentive (10 quid?).

[transam]

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

By Boris/Cummings bypassing Parliamentary democracy and converting UK into executive government (same as Article 44 in Thailand) the UK can officially be classified as a banana republic now.

Don't be silly, Boris is using the tools available to do what the UK populace voted for, not what individual MP's voted for......10 out of 10 from me.

[tracy3eyes]

Protesting against the delivery of a democratic referendum result and the will of the constituents whilst claiming that democracy is dead because you intend to deliver on a democratic vote, in itself proves that the actions of Parliamentarians hell bent on stopping BREXIT and these protestors has absolutely nothing to do with democracy whatsover!!

It is these very protestors that are trying to kill democracy by attempting to overturn the referendum result including even a deal BREXIT because a deal BREXIT is not a proper LEAVE as was voted for.

These people are traitors who would be happy to see our democracy destroyed to get what they want!

Long live Democracy! The will of the people is paramount!!!!!!!!!!!

[evadgib]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

Don't be silly, Boris is using the tools available to do what the UK populace voted for, not what individual MP's voted for......10 out of 10 from me.

Farage sums up the current situation...

 

[DannyCarlton]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Don't be silly, Boris is using the tools available to do what the UK populace voted for, not what individual MP's voted for......10 out of 10 from me.

Unfortunately for you, the UK is governed by Parliamentatary democracy, not mob rule. There is only one political ideoligy that I know of, that advocates rule by the lowest common denominator, the people, and referendums to be held for every important decision. Anarchism.

 

Is that what you are, an Anarchist? Is that what you want for the UK, anarchy?

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, bangrak said:

Can you please refresh my memory giving me the number of Brits who could potentialy have voted in the referendum? Thank you! 

A more relevant question is how many people voted to be represented by this Parliament at the last General Election.

 

The number is over 32million people (68.8 % of the electorate) now being denied the representation they voted for.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2017/06/09/general-election-sees-highest-turnout-25-years-nearly-70-britons/amp/

 

[vogie]

13 minutes ago, bangrak said:

Can you please refresh my memory giving me the number of Brits who could potentialy have voted in the referendum? Thank you! 

46,500,000 potential electorate eligible to vote, out of those 72% made the effort and turned out to vote, pretty high eh. 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Not relevant despite my own belief with hindsight that participation should be mandatory & tied to a modest tax incentive (10 quid?).

I don’t often agree with what you say but I do agree voting should be mandatory.

 

The price paid for people’s right to vote is the argument voting should be a mandatory duty.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

46,500,000 potential electorate eligible to vote, out of those 72% made the effort and turned out to vote, pretty high eh. 

Again, irrelevant.

 

The votes being ignored are the over 32million who voted for this Parliament to represent them.

 

It is those votes that are being ignored.

[Basil B]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

Not really, Boris is proving very popular, but obviously not with arch remainers.

very popular with a minority...

[candide]

3 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

The EU clearly worked for some people eg those fortunate enough to own villas and chateaux in France....but after 40 years of increasing inequality and the total degradation of the north and north east, I think we can say it didn't work for a whole lot of people...and there are no indications at all that this pattern of increasing inequality and a lousy economic deal for those in the north is ever going to change.

I quite understand that people get angry about it. However, the same trends (decrease of manufacturing jobs, rise of inequalities) have affected all developed countries, wether in the EU or not. Additionally, in the UK these trends have been accelerated by Thatcherism and neo-Thatcherism. The previous Labour governments created a rather inefficient industry, and Thatcher and her followers scratched it to a large extent. This situation has little to do with the EU.

Then the question that nobody answers: how do you think that a (possibly low-tax) hub of free trade agreements with countries such as the USA or China will result in less liberalism, less globalisation and less inequalities? How do you think it will improve the situation of people who are currently left behind?

Edited September 1, 2019 by candide

[vogie]

5 minutes ago, Basil B said:

very popular with a minority...

Only time will tell, but according to the polls he's not doing too bad.

 

[Basil B]

9 minutes ago, vogie said:

Only time will tell, but according to the polls he's not doing too bad.

 

less than a third like him and nearly half hate his guts...

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Boris_Johnson

 

[transam]

54 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Unfortunately for you, the UK is governed by Parliamentatary democracy, not mob rule. There is only one political ideoligy that I know of, that advocates rule by the lowest common denominator, the people, and referendums to be held for every important decision. Anarchism.

 

Is that what you are, an Anarchist? Is that what you want for the UK, anarchy?

Are you calling the Queen an anarchist..?

[vogie]

12 minutes ago, Basil B said:

less than a third like him and nearly half hate his guts...

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Boris_Johnson

 

Your link appears to be out of date and was formulated before Boris took over from Mrs May, thereby making it irrelevant, I can only reiterate that Boris is liked by the country, albeit understandably not by arch remainers.

[SheungWan]

Your link appears to be out of date and was formulated before Boris took over from Mrs May, thereby making it irrelevant, I can only reiterate that Boris is liked by the country, albeit understandably not by arch remainers.

Which obviously explains the lack of bottle on putting anything to a vote. [emoji1782]

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[SheungWan]

Boris, Rees-Mogg and the other nuts are banking on one thing only this coming week and that is the opposition cannot get its act together to block Boris. All to play for. Ignore the Hard Brexiteer claque here. Well, try.

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[juice777]

If an unelected Prime Minister with a majority of 1 and no mandate can shut down Parliament in an unconventional but legal way, It must be ok to ignore a nonbinding referendum and revoke article 50 in an unconventional but legal way. Espically when sold on lies and they haven't delivered.

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[evadgib]

29 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Which obviously explains the lack of bottle on putting anything to a vote.

How many (more) 'bring it on's will it take to neuter such folly?

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, juice777 said:

If an unelected Prime Minister with a majority of 1 and no mandate can shut down Parliament in an unconventional but legal way, It must be ok to ignore a nonbinding referendum and revoke article 50 in an unconventional but legal way. Espically when sold on lies and they haven't delivered.

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I think the most important point you have omitted is that parliament has agreed to leave the EU by a very large majority, it is law.

[wreckingcountry]

If an unelected Prime Minister with a majority of 1 and no mandate can shut down Parliament in an unconventional but legal way, It must be ok to ignore a nonbinding referendum and revoke article 50 in an unconventional but legal way. Espically when sold on lies and they haven't delivered.

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Sold in the truth ! We now see the EU for what it is ! It’s arrogance, building on its failures and outdated model


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[juice777]

I think the most important point you have omitted is that parliament has agreed to leave the EU by a very large majority, it is law.

Laws can be changed if Parliament is open. They changed the date before what was law. Democracy means you can change your mind democracy should not mean you can shut down Parliament at a critical time like this.

 

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[vogie]

1 minute ago, juice777 said:

Laws can be changed if Parliament is open. They changed the date before what was law. Democracy means you can change your mind democracy should not mean you can shut down Parliament in a critical time like this.

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I find it quite amusing a remainer trying to explain democracy when for 3 years now the have been trying to overturn it. 

The last 3 years have been critical, why all the concern now. Critical times require critical action.

[beautifulthailand99]

Seems like there was bit of aggro as well......????

 

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