20 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

No deal - killed

May Deal - killed

Johnson deal - about to be killed 

What have we left Revoke A50 and move on.

I get the impression it's this deal or nothing. There won't be an extension. I guess that's Juncker's way of telling UK that "we're desperate to get the £33B and would suffer irreparable economic damage if you leave with a no deal".

I suppose the remainers here will now go back to BJ's argument with his bird... ????

Edited October 18, 20196 yr by transam

15 minutes ago, Forethat said:

I get the impression it's this deal or nothing. There won't be an extension. I guess that's Juncker's way of telling UK that "we're desperate to get the £33B and would suffer irreparable economic damage if you leave with a no deal".

The deal negotiated obviously favours the EU but that was only to be expected.  Boris needed to concede certain points to get an agreement and he was prepared to welsh on the DUP to clinch it.  The money was always going to be paid and even with no-deal there would have been a sizable amount to be paid.  I am afraid Boris's "Let them whistle for the money" didn't hold much water when it came to it.

12 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

The deal negotiated obviously favours the EU but that was only to be expected.  Boris needed to concede certain points to get an agreement and he was prepared to welsh on the DUP to clinch it.  The money was always going to be paid and even with no-deal there would have been a sizable amount to be paid.  I am afraid Boris's "Let them whistle for the money" didn't hold much water when it came to it.

That's your OPINION and not a legally cemented fact. There's a huge difference there...

3 minutes ago, Forethat said:

That's your OPINION and not a legally cemented fact. There's a huge difference there...

Of course it is my opinion, otherwise why would I have written it.  Just like your post was your opinion.  Maybe we should have our posts vetted by lawyers first? Duh!

7 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Of course it is my opinion, otherwise why would I have written it.  Just like your post was your opinion.  Maybe we should have our posts vetted by lawyers first? Duh!

So we have an accord then, the money WASN'T always going to be paid? It'll be interesting when the lawyers have crunched through the terms on this one, don't you think..?

13 minutes ago, Forethat said:

the money WASN'T always going to be paid?

In my opinion it was and in yours it wasn't.  You really want to be this picky over peoples opinions?  Surely we both have better things to do?

1 hour ago, Forethat said:

I get the impression it's this deal or nothing. There won't be an extension. I guess that's Juncker's way of telling UK that "we're desperate to get the £33B and would suffer irreparable economic damage if you leave with a no deal".

The £33b point is trash. yes the EU will miss it, but not much. It's to be paid over 5 years so £6,5B per year . The EU 27s GDP is £16 Trillion per year.

 

So a rise in tax on that of 0.025% will replace the missing UK contributions 

8/11 = 42%.    

  Find out on Super Saturday.  £ will move one way or another.

 

20 minutes ago, yodsak said:

8/11 = 42%.    

  Find out on Super Saturday.  £ will move one way or another.

 

Still waiting to change a shed load of Euros into sterling, so I have everything crossed at the moment!

Johnston still has to get the DUP onboard if he wants life easy.

Will it be a matter of bribery or extortion?

Eeee Boris will be vexed  by  gum !

Can somebody explain me the phantastic differences between the "traitor" May "surrender to the EU" deal and glorious and perfect alternative Brris the Liar comes uo with ? Except throwing the DUP under the bus ..

2 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Can somebody explain me the phantastic differences between the "traitor" May "surrender to the EU" deal and glorious and perfect alternative Brris the Liar comes uo with ? Except throwing the DUP under the bus ..

????....You will have to try harder than that...????

12 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Can somebody explain me the phantastic differences between the "traitor" May "surrender to the EU" deal and glorious and perfect alternative Brris the Liar comes uo with ? Except throwing the DUP under the bus ..

The difference is that Boris is now PM and May is not. Amazing how a turd can turn into gold so quickly.

Edited October 18, 20196 yr by samran

2 minutes ago, samran said:

The difference is that Boris is now PM and May is not. Amazing how a turd can turn into gold so quickly.

Don't understand your post. Can you word it, so I can....????

4 minutes ago, samran said:

The difference is that Boris is now PM and May is not. Amazing how a turd can turn into gold so quickly.

May was always a turd, and still is.

Edited October 18, 20196 yr by BritManToo

11 minutes ago, transam said:

Don't understand your post. Can you word it, so I can....????

I think he is saying that May's deal was cack, but when presented by Johnson it is suddenly brilliant. 

15 minutes ago, transam said:

Don't understand your post. Can you word it, so I can....????

Not my job to explain if you can't keep up...

1 minute ago, baboon said:

I think he is saying that May's deal was cack, but when presented by Johnson it is suddenly brilliant. 

Most probably that posters havent read both deals fully and dont know thew difference between Mays deal and Boris's deal and are just predictably making false  allegations of both deals being very similar

1 minute ago, baboon said:

I think he is saying that May's deal was cack, but when presented by Johnson it is suddenly brilliant. 

Oh...... then perhaps it is....????.....

Well, last night I saw Moggy saying it was..

1 minute ago, samran said:

Not my job to explain if you can't keep up...

Keeping up and understanding are two different things chap....

 

So what is your job...? ????

4 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Most probably that posters havent read both deals fully and dont know thew difference between Mays deal and Boris's deal and are just predictably making false  allegations of both deals being very similar

So the DUP are unhappy about...?

1 hour ago, tebee said:

The £33b point is trash. yes the EU will miss it, but not much. It's to be paid over 5 years so £6,5B per year . The EU 27s GDP is £16 Trillion per year.

 

So a rise in tax on that of 0.025% will replace the missing UK contributions 

If you read my post again you'll find that I expect the economic damage to be severe. A No Deal Brexit will have serious ramifications for both the UK and the EU, and you won't be able to solve that by allowing the EU to tax individual member states. 

The £33B is, as you point out, peanuts...wait until the French wine producers realise that they've been outbid by American, Chilean, Australian and New Zealand wineries...and the producers of vegetables...and fruit...and cars...on both sides.

11 minutes ago, samran said:

So the DUP are unhappy about...?

I dont know , have a look on a news website to find out for yourself 

41 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Can somebody explain me the phantastic differences between the "traitor" May "surrender to the EU" deal and glorious and perfect alternative Brris the Liar comes uo with ? Except throwing the DUP under the bus ..

As far as I can see, the difference is that the EU/May deal was likely to leave the UK entirely unable to leave (and stop paying.....) the EU. (As the EU would have to agree any changes to the 'backstop' before the UK was allowed to leave.)

 

The EU/Boris deal means that the UK (apart from N.I.) leaves the EU at the end of 2020.

8 minutes ago, Forethat said:

If you read my post again you'll find that I expect the economic damage to be severe. A No Deal Brexit will have serious ramifications for both the UK and the EU, and you won't be able to solve that by allowing the EU to tax individual member states. 

The £33B is, as you point out, peanuts...wait until the French wine producers realise that they've been outbid by American, Chilean, Australian and New Zealand wineries...and the producers of vegetables...and fruit...and cars...on both sides.

Even if we leave the EU it will still be cheaper to buy from producers there, because of the cost of shipping half way round the world. The people who buy £28 a bottle St Emilion grand cru are not going to switch to a nice Chilean red because it's cheaper - it's the high value wine. where the real profit is.  

Simmerly how many BMW and Merc drivers are going to switch to Cadillacs? 

8 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Short memory?

 

As THIS looks like being the outcome of the Brexit, THIS is where 51,88% voted for ? ? This 48,11%.. is just a footnote in history ( English way) 

 

52 minutes ago, sanemax said:

I dont know , have a look on a news website to find out for yourself 

Sorry, forgot you were busy studying the alternative texts in great detail 555

41 minutes ago, tebee said:

Even if we leave the EU it will still be cheaper to buy from producers there, because of the cost of shipping half way round the world. The people who buy £28 a bottle St Emilion grand cru are not going to switch to a nice Chilean red because it's cheaper - it's the high value wine. where the real profit is.  

Simmerly how many BMW and Merc drivers are going to switch to Cadillacs? 

The little Englanders also fail to understand HM treasury’s approach to tariffs. Being the good orthodox economists they are, they abhor tariffs. 
 

Come brexit, without a trade deal, EU external tariffs will automatically go up against UK products. The immediate result will be a hit to national income as people on the continent will buy less UK products as they are now more expensive. 

 

So with brexit already taking a chunk of your income away, the last thing you want to do is make the goods and services you need to buy more expensive by slapping tariffs on top of them. 

8 minutes ago, samran said:

Sorry, forgot you were busy studying the alternative texts in great detail 555

As you were asking me what the DUP think, that suggests that you didnt even read the news and have no knowledge at all on the subject