Extension of Stay (Retirement) for Dependent Over 50yo

[opporna]

I've searched Thaivisa.com, but haven't found any information about this. My friend and his wife are from the UK and both over 60, currently they need 800k each in the bank. I have another friend who is Russian who gets by with one 800K deposit, his wife getting the visa as his dependent. Again, both over 50 yo. Friend one has asked at immigration and has been told no can do.

 

Is there any definitive information out there on this? Thanks in advance.

[ubonjoe]

There is no maximum age for his wife to to apply for an extension based upon her being a member of his family.

From clause 2.20 of the police order. "(3) In the case of spouse, the relationship must be de jure and de facto"

Also here on the immigration website (retirement is clause 2.22). https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_20

 

[opporna]

Thanks ubonjoe. I hope this can help him.

[lopburi3]

10 minutes ago, opporna said:

Thanks ubonjoe. I hope this can help him.

He needs to know one extension for retirement and other as dependent.  If both want retirement extensions then each has to have the financials (800k in bank in this case and in some cases this is what is wanted to provide additional security).  Suspect he is being told no because of this misunderstanding - asking that both have retirement extensions.

[Thailand]

As both are over 50 either can apply for the extension of stay with the spouse being the dependent. The main downside is that is the one granted the extension dies the dependent has only a very short time to leave the country or arrange another "extension of stay' of some sort.

[opporna]

Thanks again for this information. If he can implement it, he will be a very happy man.

[LivingNThailand]

Been doing the O Visa extension (retirement) to stay with my wife as dependent extension to stay for four years.  (both over 50)  No problem.  Actually a lot less paperwork for the dependent.  But, your friend will need a copy (original would be best) of their marriage certificate.  If it isn't in English it will need to be translated somehow.  

 

My wife has a 90-day O visa that was converted to dependent extension.  I may be wrong, but I thought if anything happened to me she could go to immigration and change her O-visa dependent extension to a retirement extension  for herself.  I think that is that happened with one of our neighbors when her husband died.  I don't think she left the country to do anything, she just changed it at immigration.  This was before the financials got tight, but I believe that immigration will work with you on this to get everything transferred over.  Contrary to what some people think they aren't ogres.  

 

The marriage certificate is critical.  Had another neighbor couple that flew to Penang to get the O-visa and they didn't bring the marriage certificate.  He was okay but she was denied.  Not a happy flight home.

 

 

[Thailand]

26 minutes ago, LivingNThailand said:

Been doing the O Visa extension (retirement) to stay with my wife as dependent extension to stay for four years.  (both over 50)  No problem.  Actually a lot less paperwork for the dependent.  But, your friend will need a copy (original would be best) of their marriage certificate.  If it isn't in English it will need to be translated somehow.  

 

My wife has a 90-day O visa that was converted to dependent extension.  I may be wrong, but I thought if anything happened to me she could go to immigration and change her O-visa dependent extension to a retirement extension  for herself.  I think that is that happened with one of our neighbors when her husband died.  I don't think she left the country to do anything, she just changed it at immigration.  This was before the financials got tight, but I believe that immigration will work with you on this to get everything transferred over.  Contrary to what some people think they aren't ogres.  

 

The marriage certificate is critical.  Had another neighbor couple that flew to Penang to get the O-visa and they didn't bring the marriage certificate.  He was okay but she was denied.  Not a happy flight home.

 

 

Quite sure you are wrong about the dependent being able to go to immigration and get her/his his extension of stay in the event of the death of the spouse. No doubt others will confirm or otherwise.

Right about the marriage certificate and  the copy has to be notarized I believe they also require to see the original.

[elviajero]

2 hours ago, opporna said:

Is there any definitive information out there on this? Thanks in advance.

They are probably objecting to the wife changing to piggybacking the husbands extension because she already has an extension on her own right. Leaving the country and re-entering with a new Non O visa might solve the problem.

 

Unless they need to free up the cash held in her account — or have been sharing the same 800K — it’s better for them each to have Independent permission to stay.

[crazykopite]

They don’t need 800 k each the wife becomes the dependent or visa versa depending who has the money and funds they only  need    
800k each if they both want to have there own independent extension of stays . My wife is my dependent we only have to show 800k in my bank account she is not allowed to be on my bank account but if I were to die she would receive the monies from my bank. I believe IO would be sympathetic if I were to pass but it’s not 100% but if I was to pass my wife would return back to the U.K. and the property we have in Thailand would be put up for sale or rented out by way of a management company .

Edited November 25, 2019 by crazykopite

[Momofarang]

17 hours ago, Thailand said:

As both are over 50 either can apply for the extension of stay with the spouse being the dependent. The main downside is that is the one granted the extension dies the dependent has only a very short time to leave the country or arrange another "extension of stay' of some sort.

I can see complications with the "piggy back" approach, when the main visa holder dies or passports have to be renewed, when rules get changed, etc... 1.6 million Bahts isn't such a large deposit after all.

 

[steve187]

41 minutes ago, Momofarang said:

I can see complications with the "piggy back" approach, when the main visa holder dies or passports have to be renewed, when rules get changed, etc... 1.6 million Bahts isn't such a large deposit after all.

 

for some

[LivingNThailand]

17 hours ago, Thailand said:

Quite sure you are wrong about the dependent being able to go to immigration and get her/his his extension of stay in the event of the death of the spouse. No doubt others will confirm or otherwise.

Right about the marriage certificate and  the copy has to be notarized I believe they also require to see the original.

Probably slightly off topic.  The original question was about married couple keeping 800K each in separate accounts for retirement extension.  The retirement/dependent way works for us because we don't have to tie up 1.6 million baht.  Which is a big chunk of change to let a Thai Bank just keep for long term and not be able to do something with it.  But some people might feel more comfortable having two separate retirement extensions.  As long as this guys friend has the paperwork, marriage certificate and a single (not joint) account he can do the retirement / dependent with this wife.

 

Someone mentioned that the wife would only have a short time to stay in Thailand if the main visa holder passed away.  I don't know the laws, but I can't see immigration giving the grieving widow 48 hours to leave town, or something like that.  I do know that they take situations like this case by case and work with the people to get their immigration problems resolved.  I'm sure there would be lots of hoops to jump through, but there is always a solution.  

 

Let's face it, someone passes away first and at least 50% of the time it's the male.  Immigration has worked through this situation many times, I'm sure.

 

Which opens up a different topic.  What happens to the money in my single account if I pass away first?  Does the bank keep it?  Hmmm.  I feel a visit to the bank officer soon.

 

 

[kevinmartyn]

You only require 800k in a Thai Bank exactly 2 months prior to the application and 3 months after the application where you can reduce thee sum held in the Thai Bank to 400k.

I have still to figure out what the sum is required for in the first place.

 

I do not know of any who can prove a pension income of 65k baht per month!

[briley]

Money in the bank if you die, make sure your spouse has your internet access details and shifts it out before notifying the bank. Actually probably shift the money and never notify the bank.

 

I would love to hear from someone who has had a spouse die and was using the dependent visa - what was immigration's reaction?

[opporna]

Currently my friend has two deposits of 800,000. I wonder how they would go about shifting to a dependent situation if they chose to do so. One spouse leaves the country without a re-entry permit, canceling the visa and then gets an O visa coming back in? Then go to immigration to get the dependent extension?

 

Does anyone have any experience with this?

[ubonjoe]

2 hours ago, opporna said:

Currently my friend has two deposits of 800,000. I wonder how they would go about shifting to a dependent situation if they chose to do so. One spouse leaves the country without a re-entry permit, canceling the visa and then gets an O visa coming back in? Then go to immigration to get the dependent extension?

Does anyone have any experience with this?

All that needs to be done is for them to apply for an extension for being a family member of the spouse that has applied for the extension based upon retirement. Others have done it before.

No need for a new visa entry since they would only be changing the reason for their extension of stay.

[elviajero]

9 hours ago, opporna said:

Currently my friend has two deposits of 800,000. I wonder how they would go about shifting to a dependent situation if they chose to do so. One spouse leaves the country without a re-entry permit, canceling the visa and then gets an O visa coming back in? Then go to immigration to get the dependent extension?

 

Does anyone have any experience with this?

Yes that should work. One Spouse could try applying to piggyback the other come renewal time, but immigration might not do it and might insist a new Non O visa entry is made.