The only ones that haven't figured what a debacle this has been for the Democrats are Democrats. 

Just now, chokrai said:

The only ones that haven't figured what a debacle this has been for the Democrats are Democrats. 

 

Yeah it's sort of like a drunk that doesn't know how bad he has gotten until you film him when he is loaded. Luckily for them their rich uncle Bloomberg is trying to stage an intervention.

21 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Yeah it's sort of like a drunk that doesn't know how bad he has gotten until you film him when he is loaded. Luckily for them their rich uncle Bloomberg is trying to stage an intervention.

Funney let’s seeee the last few days developments hummmm Nunes caught up in the net (should have recused) Rudy thrown under the bus cabinet must testify Donald knew of whistle blower before releasing the aid the cache of emails floating justifying the non release of the aid on and on your Donald is a dirty little monkey but so are the republicans they are tainted as well and afaraid but I think it’s you who are in denial not the dems

2 minutes ago, Tug said:

Funney let’s seeee the last few days developments hummmm Nunes caught up in the net (should have recused) Rudy thrown under the bus cabinet must testify Donald knew of whistle blower before releasing the aid the cache of emails floating justifying the non release of the aid on and on your Donald is a dirty little monkey but so are the republicans they are tainted as well and afaraid but I think it’s you who are in denial not the dems

All the issues, both real and imagined, can be taken up in the Senate trial, should it get there, which I doubt.

1 hour ago, Kelsall said:

All the issues, both real and imagined, can be taken up in the Senate trial, should it get there, which I doubt.

 

They really have a hard time grasping that 45 as they call him could shoot a guy on 5th avenue and the senate isn't going to impeach him. They always say you don't know this for sure. The reality is the republican majority has said that they will never impeach him. That is straight from their mouths it isn't like I overheard them saying that on the phone.

3 hours ago, chokrai said:

The only ones that haven't figured what a debacle this has been for the Democrats are Democrats. 

That remains to be seen. If you consider failure to remove a debacle you're obviously right. That won't be happening. But this wasn't begun expecting that to happen. This was done because a line needs to be drawn about presidential abuse of power. The democrats are definitely on the right side of history doing this. The founders created impeachment for a president like 45 but they didn't predict twitter, gaslighting, and Fox propaganda news. 

 

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New revelations just wrecked Trump’s last remaining defenses

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/11/27/new-revelations-just-wrecked-trumps-last-remaining-defenses/

Edited November 27, 20196 yr by Jingthing

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

That remains to be seen. If you consider failure to remove a debacle you're obviously right. That won't be happening. But this wasn't begun expecting that to happen. This was done because a line needs to be drawn about presidential abuse of power. The democrats are definitely on the right side of history doing this. The founders created impeachment for a president like 45 but they didn't predict twitter, gaslighting, and Fox propaganda news. 

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/11/27/new-revelations-just-wrecked-trumps-last-remaining-defenses/

LOL.  The Washington Post is owned by Jeff Bezos.  Bezos hates Trump.  End of story.

9 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

LOL.  The Washington Post is owned by Jeff Bezos.  Bezos hates Trump.  End of story.

I think it is more Trump hating bezos.

But does that make the report incorrect?

15 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

LOL.  The Washington Post is owned by Jeff Bezos.  Bezos hates Trump.  End of story.

Donald hates everyone who speaks truth and doesent suck up I don’t think he will be removed but exposed for what he is a tool of the russan federation witting or unwittingly but a tool nun the less a totally unsuitable for the job as potus 

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

I think it is more Trump hating bezos.

But does that make the report incorrect?

The paper that reported on the death of the austere religious scholar Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi? 

 

A good sign this report may not be correct.

 

Edited November 28, 20196 yr by rabas

To hell with morality, decency, ethics and rule of law said Trump’s legend of die hard fans. What happen USA? Maybe this Thanksgiving will allow these recalcitrants to reflect. Then maybe not.  

On 11/27/2019 at 10:14 PM, Eric Loh said:

As Paul Ryan said, Trump is depending too much on image and personalities than policies. That’s how to beat him. Biden with a suitable vice who can bring in crucial votes will beat him. Dem will learn from Hillary mistakes to campaign more in states that she took for granted. Fear 2020. 

Hasn't Bloomberg joined the melee? Nothing to say Biden will be the choice.

On 11/28/2019 at 3:32 AM, Cryingdick said:

 

Yeah it's sort of like a drunk that doesn't know how bad he has gotten until you film him when he is loaded. Luckily for them their rich uncle Bloomberg is trying to stage an intervention.

Nah. They're like my ex wife. She claimed she didn't snore so I made a VDO of her snoring ( with sound ) but she refused to admit she snored.

A battle of the billionaires- bring it on. That'd be very entertaining.

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Biden-Ukraine Corruption... Let's take it to the senate. ????

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/state-department-releases-detailed-accounts-biden-ukraine-corruption

The more this farce drags on, the more you can see the eyes of the general public collectively glaze over. The Democrats have not made a case legally, and what is worse they were damn boring while doing so. The public has heard them cry "wolf" once too often.  Constant media reports of "bombshell testimony" and "explosive information" and the like have effectively killed the whole thing.

 

The best they can hope for now is a censure vote and be done with it.   On to the election!

11 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

The more this farce drags on, the more you can see the eyes of the general public collectively glaze over. The Democrats have not made a case legally, and what is worse they were damn boring while doing so. The public has heard them cry "wolf" once too often.  Constant media reports of "bombshell testimony" and "explosive information" and the like have effectively killed the whole thing.

 

The best they can hope for now is a censure vote and be done with it.   On to the election!

I don't think Trump is finished. The Barr Durham investigation of the Russian collusion hoax is going to continue... which does lead to the now Ukraine related impeachment diversion from the real cast of characters on the take in the Ukraine. I am for a full public trial now... let's take this all to the senate and subpeona the lot of them. 

Edited November 29, 20196 yr by Tounge Thaied

8 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

The more this farce drags on, the more you can see the eyes of the general public collectively glaze over. The Democrats have not made a case legally, and what is worse they were damn boring while doing so. The public has heard them cry "wolf" once too often.  Constant media reports of "bombshell testimony" and "explosive information" and the like have effectively killed the whole thing.

 

The best they can hope for now is a censure vote and be done with it.   On to the election!

They have been quite successful despite the stonewalling by the WH and Republicans. A set of converging and uncontested evidences against Trump has been produced.

10 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

The more this farce drags on, the more you can see the eyes of the general public collectively glaze over. The Democrats have not made a case legally, and what is worse they were damn boring while doing so. The public has heard them cry "wolf" once too often.  Constant media reports of "bombshell testimony" and "explosive information" and the like have effectively killed the whole thing.

 

The best they can hope for now is a censure vote and be done with it.   On to the election!

You do realize impeachment is not about breaking laws, per se? It's the only way to hold a president that has abused her power to account and it's not a farce, and it is supported by the constitution.  

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

You do realize impeachment is not about breaking laws, per se? It's the only way to hold a president that has abused her power to account and it's not a farce, and it is supported by the constitution.  

Yep... let's do it. On to the Senate. 

1 minute ago, Tounge Thaied said:

Yep... let's do it. On to the Senate. 

Sure and the senate won't convict and they will be on record for history as approving extreme abuse of presidential power. People that think they can predict all the details of political fallout from this process are kidding themselves. Each impeachment is a particular thing. The past tells us nothing about what the impact of this impeachment will be, but it needs to happen regardless.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Sure and the senate won't convict and they will be on record for history as approving extreme abuse of presidential power. People that think they can predict all the details of political fallout from this process are kidding themselves. Each impeachment is a particular thing. The past tells us nothing about what the impact of this impeachment will be, but it needs to happen regardless.

I want to see Schiff, the Bidens, Sondland and the rest under oath. I will pay the circus ticket for this one. 

12 minutes ago, candide said:

They have been quite successful despite the stonewalling by the WH and Republicans. A set of converging and uncontested evidences against Trump has been produced.

Indeed and what we have learned (and not very surprising) is that basically ALL of the republicans value their tribal party loyalty over their country. Now they are on the verge of sanctioning a presidency now and in the future that is more like an elected dictatorship than what the founders intended --COOEQUAL powers. 

Edited November 29, 20196 yr by Jingthing

1 minute ago, Tounge Thaied said:

I want to see Schiff, the Bidens, Sondland and the rest under oath. I will pay the circus ticket for this one. 

Sondland has already been under oath. Check youtube.

Just now, Jingthing said:

Sondland has already been under oath. Check youtube.

Let's not forget Obama... He needs to be subpeoned also.

4 minutes ago, Tounge Thaied said:

Let's not forget Obama... He needs to be subpeoned also.

Absurd, Anyway, be careful what you wish for. The senate trial will be presided by the SCOTUS chief justice. He will have to power to demand testimony from any and all of the witnesses that are part of the OBSTRUCTION OF CONGRESS article of impeachment that is sure to be one of the articles. 

Edited November 29, 20196 yr by Jingthing

This has nothing to do with patriotism and everything to do with political posturing.  Presidents from time immemorial have leaned on foreign governments to get things done, have held up aid and trade deals and the like in order to score better conditions. Nothing new here at all.  Plus the fact that this has been going on from literally the day after the election in 2016.  Check the polls- most people are tired of it and want the Congress to get on with improving life for Americans, not wasting time on this obscure nonsense.

3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

This has nothing to do with patriotism and everything to do with political posturing.  Presidents from time immemorial have leaned on foreign governments to get things done, have held up aid and trade deals and the like in order to score better conditions. Nothing new here at all.  Plus the fact that this has been going on from literally the day after the election in 2016.  Check the polls- most people are tired of it and want the Congress to get on with improving life for Americans, not wasting time on this obscure nonsense.

To get things done? Correction -- he held up desperately need military aid already approved by CONGRESS to get political dirt on what he perceived as his main political opponent in the 2020 election. When did a president do something like that before?!?

Edited November 29, 20196 yr by Jingthing

27 minutes ago, Tounge Thaied said:

I want to see Schiff, the Bidens, Sondland and the rest under oath. I will pay the circus ticket for this one. 

Do you want to see trump giuliano pompeo perry under oath also?

 

You do want the truth dont you?

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

Do you want to see trump giuliano pompeo perry under oath also?

 

You do want the truth dont you?

I would...