zydeco Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 1 hour ago, car720 said: Aw, hell. Just get on with it. I've been waiting too long already. At least wait until Songkran. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas J Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 On 12/28/2019 at 4:28 PM, saengd said: Russia simply does not have the financial means anymore to keep us a big army, nor invest a lot in new technology. Russia is a third world country with a nuclear arsenal. With its economy in shambles I doubt it has the resources to fund a cutting edge missile program. China on the other hand has both the financial means and the technological prowess to match anyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catoholic Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 (edited) I do miss the good ole days when countries worked for years in secrecy to develop high tech weapons and then they worked for years to keep their new weapon "top secret"..... Edited December 29, 2019 by Catoholic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Christmas13 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/new-russian-weapon-can-travel-27-times-the-speed-of-sound/news-story/4ec1ce4866b51980375a1b90ad585b6d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 On 12/28/2019 at 5:32 PM, car720 said: Fools leading even bigger fools. This is why man was created to die, he could not have tolerated more. Yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazar Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 They must feel so insecure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 On 12/28/2019 at 4:22 PM, puipuitom said: From the end of the '40-s we heard again and again all these threads of Sovjet nuclear power. Every time it was proven to be a ghost story. Russia simply does not have the financial means anymore to keep us a big army, nor invest a lot in new technology. China with is activities in the seas around till nearly at the shores of the ASEAN countries, their massive purchases of fertile land + raw materials areas in Africa, their influence in S+ SE Asia, and.. their much bigger GDP... I see as a much bigger thread. Very inaccurate and based on a stunning lack of research. US bases would be totally unprepared for any sort of attack. You add in cyber warfare, billions spent on hacking and you have issues and problems the US military has nightmares about. The largest does not equate with the best. Rarely has it in the past. Also, keep in mind the US has not won a war of any importance, since 1945. That is 75 years. The U.S. military would have trouble quickly responding to such attacks because it is so unprepared for them. Most bases have few, if any, missile defense systems or hardened shelters. Combat aircraft and warships often are parked in the open, side by side. https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/20/russia-china-increasingly-able-attack-united-states-bases-networks-war/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 1 hour ago, spidermike007 said: Very inaccurate and based on a stunning lack of research. US bases would be totally unprepared for any sort of attack. You add in cyber warfare, billions spent on hacking and you have issues and problems the US military has nightmares about. The largest does not equate with the best. Rarely has it in the past. Also, keep in mind the US has not won a war of any importance, since 1945. That is 75 years. The U.S. military would have trouble quickly responding to such attacks because it is so unprepared for them. Most bases have few, if any, missile defense systems or hardened shelters. Combat aircraft and warships often are parked in the open, side by side. https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/20/russia-china-increasingly-able-attack-united-states-bases-networks-war/ The USA hasn't been involved in a war it had to win since 1945 either. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Off-topic post removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 8 hours ago, Cryingdick said: The USA hasn't been involved in a war it had to win since 1945 either. I beg to differ. Korea and Vietnam were wars of consequence. So are Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. Yet, we managed to lose all five of those wars, despite the "power" of our military. Trillions spent. Hundreds of thousands of lives lost. Millions of lives lost in Vietnam, mostly at the hands of the Americans. What was gained from all that carnage and expense? Granted, it made the military contractors happy. Anything else? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 minute ago, spidermike007 said: I beg to differ. Korea and Vietnam were wars of consequence. So are Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. Yet, we managed to lose all five of those wars, despite the "power" of our military. Trillions spent. Hundreds of thousands of lives lost. Millions of lives lost in Vietnam, mostly at the hands of the Americans. What was gained from all that carnage and expense? Granted, it made the military contractors happy. Anything else? All wars that weren't our fight. If a war comes up America must win it will do so handily. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neeray Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 How soon will Thailand order some of these new toys? An absolute must have for national security. And the kick-backs would be just mouth watering. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazar Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 10 hours ago, spidermike007 said: Also, keep in mind the US has not won a war of any importance, since 1945. That is 75 years. Thats because of their unwillingness to actually use nuclear weapons which really could have ended many of those wars with no hope for the other side 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 10 hours ago, spidermike007 said: Also, keep in mind the US has not won a war of any importance, since 1945. That is 75 years. Yes, it has. Perhaps the biggest of them all. The Cold War. It's just that Clinton, Bush, Obama, and now Trump have turned around and squandered the victory. BTW, what wars have Russia or China won? None, as far as I can remember. Not even the one they fought against each other back in the sixties. And the one thing that all of America's chicken<deleted> wars has at least managed to do is give us troops that know what it's like to be under fire. Nobody in China has that. And only a limited few in Russia, although Putin seems to be trying to turn Syria and Ukraine into his own version of live fire combat training. These are not the Chinese of the Korean War, with 30 years of Civil War and Japanese invasion under their belt. Come the first bullet, they're as likely to be proven as soft as anyone in the West. Maybe softer. Because of China's one child policy, how many Chinese are going to sit well with their only child being sent off as cannon fodder? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenbone Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 On 12/28/2019 at 1:40 PM, Pravda said: How about paying a few extra rubles for a better photoshop work? no, everyone recognizes russias quality missiles, especially their hypersonic missiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 On 12/29/2019 at 10:10 PM, zydeco said: Yes, it has. Perhaps the biggest of them all. The Cold War. Nobody won the Cold War. It's nowhere near over. There's just been a time-out. Like in 1918-39. Germany surrendered in 1918. After 21 years of rebuilding their economy, re-arming and getting their military in order, the 2nd phase of that war started in 1939. How long since the Russkies "surrendered"? People who don't understand their history are doomed to repeat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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