Endless nonsense that has been going on for years. How com all the best teachers end up in Vietnam  - it's because firstly they earn way more, secondly the checking of documentation is way more stringent and thirdly the cost of living is much lower and finally there is no huge sex business in Vietnam so teachers who go there go to teach. How do I know all this. We moved to Vietnam five years ago after teaching for several years in Thailand. In Bangkok the average salary  is 1200 dollars a month, in Ha Noi it is 2000! Says it all.

2 minutes ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

But white women that come here to teach will undoubtedly not take much of a liking to the local Thai men.....which is often the case.....and that will turn them into lesbians that end up 'banging' Thai chicks anyway! That's my theory anyway. No science in it, just purely based on my porn addiction and a penchant for daydreaming 

I was having a conversation with an attractive “white woman teacher” one evening where she was complaining that her fellow “white male teachers” showed no interest in her.

 

I told her that the primary reason that these guys were here was because of Thai women.  She thanked me profusely for being the first white male to tell it like it really is.

3 minutes ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

But white women that come here to teach will undoubtedly not take much of a liking to the local Thai men.....which is often the case.....and that will turn them into lesbians that end up 'banging' Thai chicks anyway! That's my theory anyway. No science in it, just purely based on my porn addiction and a penchant for daydreaming 

Ha..ha..ha ..that post is so way out there that it sorta deserves a gold medal..

 

The spectacle of English teaching lesbians must be the ultimate Freudian nightmare for most sexpats and we all know that they do not sleep comfortably in their bed in the first place..

 

Just in case Little Noy "poet laureate of Pattaya" advances on them with a pair of shears.

Many many years ago you could count the native English teachers in Thailand without getting to three figures.

 

Then some bright spark had the idea that by employing thousands more native teachers the length and breadth of the country English language skills would improve.

 

30 odd years later this theory has been demonstrated to be an abject failure and the country's English language skills still lag behind its neighbors.

 

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

 

Compare this to Cambodia. I met a young 10 year old girl on the  Phnom Penh riverside walk selling trinkets to tourists. Not only did she speak excellent English she also had a good handle on several other languages.

 

She was by no means unique.

 

 

 

 

You can't change the Thais so let them be. They will always be bad at languages, bad at driving and good at crop burning.

But if they are comfortable with that then so be it. They have their virtues to balance out these things otherwise we wouldn't come here.

11 minutes ago, Airalee said:

I told her that the primary reason that these guys were here was because of Thai women.  She thanked me profusely for being the first white male to tell it like it really is.

How long did she already stay in Thailand? Two minutes?

53 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Hmmm..I speak three apart from my native English language.

 

Admittedly I am a little rusty..but strangely enough I was following along my wife's Thai conversation on the phone the other day..

 

She said "The silly farang is listening in to the phone call..and is becoming rather paranoid....I will have to get an even dumber one.."

 

I swear it's true..????

Yes it's quite funny that someone trying to condemn people for being lazy is actually lazy themselves in assuming people from the West can't speak another language. I can speak Spanish so-so, Thai (fluently) and learned classical Greek in college and now I am working on Isaan so i can spy on my lady's phone calls. Plus I am an English teacher with lots of teaching experience before I ever came to Thailand. But hey keep painting with that broad brush. 

8 minutes ago, JustAnotherHun said:

How long did she already stay in Thailand? Two minutes?

No idea how long she had been here but she was definitely quite naive with regards to why the men are actually here to teach.  It certainly isn’t altruism.

47 minutes ago, Just1Voice said:

 Why bother?  Didn't General P state some time back that Thai would become the new International language? lol

He did, just another stupid comment. 

What a joke. Recruit teachers from overseas. No airfare reimbursement, no housing assistance and get paid 30k a month. No job by April. Sounds like a winner loser to me!

48 minutes ago, simon43 said:

Please don't put all NES in the same pigeon hole ????

 

Most girls I've met put English teachers in the ' shabby  sparrow ' hole.

1 hour ago, daiwill60 said:

I once heard that the allocation to schools etc from the MoE is around 50,000 bht a month.  And as we all know, many schools offer way less than that. 

A couple of years ago, I was cruising around the village in my trusty sidecar/farm truck when I noticed a tall lanky black man riding a bicycle. As I am the only foreigner in these parts, I stopped to have a chat with him. He was from some African country and was apparently the new English teacher at the local school. I think he said that he got B18,00 a month but it was rather hard to tell. Between his missing teeth and his accent it was difficult to have a conversation. The Bamboo Grapevine said that the teacher only lasted a few months.

 

Out of the blue one day the head honcho of the school stopped by our place and offered me a job. I told him no thanks, that I was now a retired international school teacher from Bangkok and was going to stay that way. In his broken English he said that he would share the entire English teacher budget with me at a whopping B30,000 a month. I politely declined and last I heard the school still hadn't found a teacher...

Just curious:

How much do one earn/month beeing an english teacher here? Sure it depends on the schools. There are good ones in Thailand.

I read here 30k. is that reliable? is this payed by all those dubious private schools or do government schools pay that - what I would doubt.

2 hours ago, webfact said:

These solutions may seem difficult, but actions worth doing usually are. Approaching embassies may help further down the road, but students need solutions now

Is it really that difficult?  There is the core problem-no, it’s not difficult-they just mentioned the steps-Thai people don’t want change, so they fall further and further behind 

59 minutes ago, Airalee said:

I was having a conversation with an attractive “white woman teacher” one evening where she was complaining that her fellow “white male teachers” showed no interest in her.

 

I told her that the primary reason that these guys were here was because of Thai women.  She thanked me profusely for being the first white male to tell it like it really is.

Ok, job well done but, I would have thought that was stating the plainly obvious??!!!

13 minutes ago, Redline said:

Is it really that difficult?  There is the core problem-no, it’s not difficult-they just mentioned the steps-Thai people don’t want change, so they fall further and further behind 

The core problem is perfectly simple-the THAI DO NOT WANT TO LEARN ENGLISH.

 

Nor any other language on the planet (besides their own) unless it benefits them in a direct way.

 

That goes for any of their activities antway.

 

They may huff..they may puff. they may Kreng Jai themselves to death but that is the truth of the matter.

 

 

Edited February 19, 20206 yr by Odysseus123

8 minutes ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

Ok, job well done but, I would have thought that was stating the plainly obvious??!!!

I should think that your post and the one that you are responding to is a complete bodge,wouldn't you?

 

You understand the concept of a complete bodge?

 

Now we have the miserable excuse that it is FEMALE Enfglish teachers that are the problem..

 

Bodge job.

Just now, Odysseus123 said:

I should think that your post and the one that you are responding to is a complete bodge,wouldn't you?

 

You understand the concept of a complete bodge?

 

Now we have the miserable excuse that it is FEMALE Enfglish teachers that are the problem..

 

Bodge job.

Enfglish teachers are the bottom of the barrel....female Enfglish teachers....well......

1 minute ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

Enfglish teachers are the bottom of the barrel....female Enfglish teachers....well......

Bodge job..

 

Meaning that you are puttying intellectual crank-you will get the message eventually.

 

Best of luck in your sterling career on the internet.

Just now, Odysseus123 said:

Bodge job..

 

Meaning that you are puttying intellectual crank-you will get the message eventually.

 

Best of luck in your sterling career on the internet.

Thanks mate, I really appreciate the feedback. 

2 hours ago, Odysseus123 said:

Hmmm..I speak three apart from my native English language.

 

Admittedly I am a little rusty..but strangely enough I was following along my wife's Thai conversation on the phone the other day..

 

She said "The silly farang is listening in to the phone call..and is becoming rather paranoid....I will have to get an even dumber one.."

 

I swear it's true..????

Its the reason Thais will leave the room, and discuss something outside of "  Farang " earshot.

They hate to think that the Dumb Farang can listen and understand what they are talking about.

1 minute ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

Thanks mate, I really appreciate the feedback. 

Great..Mr Lennon...

1 minute ago, Cake Monster said:

Its the reason Thais will leave the room, and discuss something outside of "  Farang " earshot.

They hate to think that the Dumb Farang can listen and understand what they are talking about.

Very true..they ain't dumb..but are we?

"farang roo maak mai dee"....

2 hours ago, spiekerjozef said:

Lots of people from different countries speak multiple languages (or at least are trying to). Only the people from native English speaking countries have no interest in speaking another language or get upset when somebody can't speak their language??

No need to speak another language as the world speaks English 

1 hour ago, Airalee said:

I was having a conversation with an attractive “white woman teacher” one evening where she was complaining that her fellow “white male teachers” showed no interest in her.

 

I told her that the primary reason that these guys were here was because of Thai women.  She thanked me profusely for being the first white male to tell it like it really is.

Trust you accommodated her wants ????

6 minutes ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

"farang roo maak mai dee"....

Are you revertng to digital?

 

So the "farang" ain't crash hot eh?

 

That explains the deserted mansions that I saw in Isaan and the fact that after billions poured inro the place it remained exactly the same.

I have spent hours with my nephew preparing him for exams and going over prior test papers. In my view 30% of the test questions are either a) incomprehensible because of poor language b) too vague to figure out which of the 4 responses are correct and often more than one are right answers c) flat out wrong answer given.

Why on earth the don't hire an English teacher or two to review the test papers before they are used with students I have no idea.

Thais (or at least the hi-so Thais that run the place) are allergic to getting help from lowly foreigners, as a consequence they will never match other nations on mastering English. They might be better off learning Chinese instead....there would be lots of teachers available.

3 hours ago, JustAnotherHun said:

4. Make the world learn Thai. No need for english teachers any more.

Yes correct, little Mr P said Thai was a top world language.

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Well-informed school administrators hire non-native speakers who can prove their fluency, some hire non-natives but only after they can’t find a native speaker

Haha. They will have more trouble finding a well informed administrators with enough fluency in English to be able to recognize a non native is speaking fluently. I have seen many non natives pass a test yet I couldn't understand what they were saying as I passed their class listening to what was being taught. 

 

I have been teaching here for many years now, but only at universities. The high paying unis require a lot of time and effort. I was teaching 4 or 5 classes per semester to smart, demanding students. So, big money and a lot of work. Also, have worked for Thai unis that pay the usual 30k. But, it's much easier. Still teaching 4 or 5 classes, but the content is so simplistic and the students so dull it's quite easy. Have huge amounts of time to pursue other goals. You can earn money elsewhere if that's what you want to do or write books or paint, chase girls, whatever you want.

 

Learning English is really a skill, not an academic subject for lectures, etc...You practice a lot and must have a serious desire to do it. There is an entrenched cabal of older Thai English professors with huge egos at the government unis who protect their systems and ideas at any cost. These older profs, frankly, do not deserve their positions because of their poor skills, very outdated thinking, and superior attitudes. They're very sensitive, I have imagined, because they must truly know they're imposters. The younger Thai profs seem very capable and proficient and can't get a damn thing done and hardly want to bc it's like going into a war. 

Edited February 19, 20206 yr by Lunchbob