Pattaya: Keep the beer bars open! We are open air and less risky, says desperate bar rep

[sead]

Just as we thought the thais are stupid regarding the c19. And now we have stupid foreigners. Same same but different 

[hotchilli]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Saifon, 40, thinks that because the beer bars are open air they must represent less risk for transmission of the virus than closed in places like clubs and discos.

 

In addition, she is extremely worried about what will happen to staff and for the future of the beer bars.

Sheer stupidity and shortsightedness... 

[Just Weird]

5 hours ago, nausea said:

I hsve some empathy, it's gonna be tough for everyone. At the end of the day eating animals that aren't meant to be be eaten is probably a bad idea.

There must be a classification somewhere that indicates which animals "are meant to be eaten" and which "aren't meant to be" and who decides, where is that or do you have the list?

[tomauasia]

Yes drunks spraying saliva into the open air. Marvelous idea.

[Naamblar2014]

5 hours ago, nausea said:

I hsve some empathy, it's gonna be tough for everyone. At the end of the day eating animals that aren't meant to be be eaten is probably a bad idea.

What animals are meant to be eaten exactly?

 

[nauseus]

12 minutes ago, tomauasia said:

Yes drunks spraying saliva into the open air. Marvelous idea.

Bloody animals.

[Just Weird]

5 minutes ago, Naamblar2014 said:

5 hours ago, nausea said:

I hsve some empathy, it's gonna be tough for everyone. At the end of the day eating animals that aren't meant to be be eaten is probably a bad idea.

What animals are meant to be eaten exactly?

All of them, that's the point of being carnivores and omnivores.

[Georgie65]

Turn out the lights, the party's over!!! Shut em down!!!!! LMFAO!!!!!!!!

[maprao]

6 hours ago, ianezy0 said:

Close all bars, girls can go home. Disinfect Soi 6, Walking St etc.

 

In 3 months time Pattaya will be like a fresh meadow of newly grown grass! 
 

Ahhhhhh....breathhhhh....breathhhh

The BGs who think they are Instagram superstars should a thump to earth attitude adjustment ????????

[mike787]

wash condoms and hands, all will be ok.  I do it all the time.

[Caine]

The bar girls have been spreading an epidemic for decades in Pattaya. Its a much less talked about disease nowadays called H.I.V.

[sanuk711]

This corona virus must be serious. .....................My local Burger King have cleaned their tables twice today.....................

[Mung]

An annoying  cocktail of stupidity, selfishness and greed 

[sanuk711]

Perspective people... please!

 

 

 

[Mung]

41 minutes ago, Naamblar2014 said:

What animals are meant to be eaten exactly?

 

The plant based vegan diet is the biggest load of tripe to be exported to the masses in years. Whoever thinks it's healthy long term, without the dieter cheating on their diet, is sadly mistaken. There are some exceptions of course, but for the most part the vegan diet long term if strictly abided by, is going to cause major health problems. Cases of women losing their period in their 20s and hair falling out are commonplace among other things. 
 

Vitamin A is a good start, it's essential for various bodily functions, as well as lowering the risk of several types of cancers. You might suggest that a vegan diet is high in Vitamin A from such things as carrots? The plant form of vitamin A is Beta Carotene (the animal version is Retinol) The plant form of vitamin A, Carotene, has a 30:1  to around 14:1 ratio as an absorption rate in humans, a very low rate indeed. On top of that, the conversion is ‘bottlenecked’ as the human body can only covert so much within one day. The ‘true’ or animal form of Vitamin A, Retinol, converts a lot more efficiently and isn’t bottlenecked. Even worse still is that Carotene requires certain fats to be converted and metabolised, which the vegan diet doesn’t offer up that much of, if any. Vitamin A from plants does not absorb, the nail in the coffin is that some people literally have gene-polymorphisms that prevent them from converting Carotene at all, so a certain % of the population would not be able to receive vitamin A at all from plant based diet alone, and the rest of the people would find it near impossible to get enough.

 

You then need to look at things like omega 3 fatty acids, that are inhibited by the huge amounts of omega 6 found in a vegan diet. You ideally want a low intake of omega 6 and a high intake of omega 3. Not only do omega 6 fatty acids block the uptake and conversion of omega 3, but high amounts of them are damaging to health. Too much omega-6, which is found in the corn oil and vegetable oils used in so much American food. Too much omega 6 can raise your blood pressure, lead to blood clots that can cause heart attack and stroke, and cause your body to retain water.

 

Another issue with a vegan diet is the fact that many vitamins are fat soluble, meaning that you can eat as many of them as you want, but you won't uptake or convert them without plenty of saturated fat in your diet, ideally animal saturated fat. One prime example of this is vitamin D, which is only found in certain seafoods and from the sun. You can get as much sun as you want or take as many vitamin D pills as you might, but you won't convert it without enough fat in your diet. 

 

That leads onto vitamin B12 which everyone knows is very crucial to health. Vegans tend to supplement this one, and if you need to supplement something, then that surely should be a red flag to the diet. But again this won't due to lack of absorption, and I quote from a study; 'Vitamin B12 cannot be synthesised by mammalian species, but only by microorganisms. Bacterial synthesis takes place only in the large bowel and the caecum. From these sites absorption cannot take place, and therefore man is entirely dependent on dietary sources of vitamin B12. The richest natural sources are liver and kidney, but vitamin B12 is also present in meat, fish, dairy products, eggs, and shellfish.' 

You can test your blood serum levels for all kinds of vitamins and nutrients, but that doesn't show the actual uptake and absorption of them.

Hong Kong eat on average 4 times the amount of meat than the average UK citizen, yet they have not only a longer life expectancy, but they have the highest in the world, 84.23 The people of Hong Kong literally eat the most meat per capita in the entire world, and the women there have the longest life expectancies of any nation on the planet. There are obviously other factors that go into how long somebody lives, but at the very least this shows that eating fresh and high quality meats, will not put you into an early grave, on average. In fact, it can make you thrive. Our bodies have evolved and thrived to live off of meat, we are not herbivores, we are omnivores. The key is to source quality meats that are not processed and that are raised in decent conditions without too many chemicals and medications involved.

Veganism is terrible for the environment, for a start the pervasive use of chemical pesticides in industrial agriculture is poisoning our food and the planet. Most are neurotoxins and endocrine disruptors that destroy the nervous systems of insects or cause them to be unable to reproduce. All the same effects are passed on to humans when we eat these plants, and this is reason enough to be wary of a “plants only” diet.

Vegan proponents point to grain production for cattle feed as the cause of deforestation, habitat loss and species extinction, but industrial agriculture involves huge mono-cultures like wheat, corn and soy. Virtually all their agricultural systems depend on crude oil, including planting, harvesting, processing, packaging, and transportation. The importance of eating locally produced meat and locally grown vegetables and fruits, when available, is huge. Vegans rarely if ever question where their exotic fruits come from, and how each individual food item has the carbon footprint larger than an average vegans ego.

Growing crops of corn, wheat or soy (which are currently all genetically modified unless organic) where there would normally be grass destroys animals’ natural feeding grounds. Modern industrial agriculture conglomerates destroy the delicate ecosystems surrounding them including topsoil, streams and rivers that are home to worms, frogs, turtles, crustaceans, aquatic vertebrae, beavers, and the birds and animals who feed on them They devastate the earth instead of feeding it. But vegans don't care about the insects or small rodents, they are prejudice and love the cows, sheep and chickens exclusively.

 

Edited March 17, 2020 by Mung

[DJ54]

Close all the bars and use staff to throughly clean the place. Staff gets paid and bar is somewhat disinfected.... Win Win 

[EvetsKram]

Red light district in Pattaya?? 

[Bangkok Barry]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Saifon said that her association had no Plan B and needed help from the government.

 And whose fault is it that her association has no Plan B? The government, or her?

 

6 hours ago, sezze said:

bar closing is 1 of the big contributors of human contact

 And another big one is crowded public transport, but I've seen no suggestion in Thailand, unlike other countries that have intelligent people in charge, for people to only go out if absolutely necessary. Other countries are telling people not to go out, and some like Spain have police patrols to make sure no-one breaks the rules. In Thailand it's carry on as usual, including letting hoards of Chinese in every day, even now.

[Bangkok Barry]

6 hours ago, likerdup1 said:

open air doesn't make any difference, it's close contact, touching the same things.. chairs, bar surfaces, bathroom faucets, toilet handles, door handles...  The ignorance is mind boggling.

 

True, but Thais are not known for thinking logically. She's only thinking of the 'business people' she represents but has not formed a 'Plan B' for. That would mean thinking and planning ahead, something else that Thais are not known for.

[Max69xl]

7 hours ago, JoeMc said:

Sorry but answer has to be NO .. Thai girls get 'it' and then travel back to the provinces..chaos

If they close the bars,then people go back home. Get it? 

[Bangkok Barry]

3 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

If the government is going to close these businesses then they should also ensure that the landlords are not allowed to charge rent while the bar is closed.

 

The problem iwth closing the restaurants or any venue is that they all pay rent of some sort as well as other bills.  The best thing the governement can do to help them is to say that if a business is forced to close due to the virus that the land lord must forgive rent until after the governement allows the businesses to reopen.

And the landlord gets his income from where, exactly?

[Max69xl]

3 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

True, but Thais are not known for thinking logically. She's only thinking of the 'business people' she represents but has not formed a 'Plan B' for. That would mean thinking and planning ahead, something else that Thais are not known for.

Why wouldn't she think about business? 

[Max69xl]

14 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 And whose fault is it that her association has no Plan B? The government, or her?

 

 And another big one is crowded public transport, but I've seen no suggestion in Thailand, unlike other countries that have intelligent people in charge, for people to only go out if absolutely necessary. Other countries are telling people not to go out, and some like Spain have police patrols to make sure no-one breaks the rules. In Thailand it's carry on as usual, including letting hoards of Chinese in every day, even now.

There are almost no Chinese tourists at all in Thailand at the moment. You're just another worrier. 

[David T Pike]

COVID-19 is not an air-borne virus! It is from contact! How stupid are these Bar 0wners?

[jany123]

Plan A....

make hay while the sun shines

 

Plan B...

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Saifon said that her association had no Plan B and needed help from the government

Oops... 

8 hours ago, webfact said:

Beer bar employees are not like company or factory workers who have an official support network to fall back on. They won't receive handouts - they will get nothing. 

maybe this is something the association could work on, going forward (should they now decide that a plan b is needed)

[Traubert]

2 hours ago, nchuckle said:

Would that be the Pangolin scale...? ???? 

Dunno mate, he's off it not me. Could be.

[Grumpy John]

I believe journalists should search for the truth.  So the question that should have been asked was "Come on Saifon....tell us how old you really are....".  

[Nicebus]

Ever wonder why NO ONE under 10 years of age has died from this virus. ??

Why 82% of deaths have been elderly males with pre existing conditions !!

 

Just wondering. Please dont have a hissy fit at me.

[GAZZPA]

7 hours ago, Sharp said:

If its all about isolation of sorts its madness to let them all go back to their Villages there will definitely be a spike in cases and unfortunately the Older family members back home will suffer I would say the entertainment staff already contracted the virus and recovered a kind of 'herd immunity' if you will and then it died down.My thoughts anyhow!

that assumes people in the bars stay there all the time. have you thought about what happens when the people in the bars contract it and then spread it around when buying food or doing anything else, what happens to the older members of that society. In addition in Pattaya there are more than a fare share of older people, many retirees in Pattaya 60 plus..

[lovesthespicy]

You mean the bar owners dont give the girls paid leave at times like this? I'm sure the government will step in and assist the girls figuring all the Tax dollars they pay.