10 hours ago, sucit said:

I would go further than that and say they knew that Biden was unsuitable and were willing to have Trump over the possibility of Sanders. 

Better to lose with the party's history than the direction they're headed. Makes perfect sense.

2 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

I wonder if then you are comparing that to the current, soon to be former, who will never see 50. 

I'm not comparing it to anyone. If you reread my post, that will hopefully become apparent.

On 4/15/2020 at 9:37 PM, Jingthing said:

A very valuable endorsement (albeit 100 percent predictable and guaranteed) from a very popular ex-president.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/obamas-approval-rating-final-2017-1?op=1

 

Think of all the Americans that wouldn't be dead of Covid if either Obama or Biden had been president now. 

 

We can't undo that but we can kick "blood on his hands" 45 to the curb (and hopefully to prison). 

 

Democrats are totally united on job one -- evict 45. 

 

For the 45 fan "republicans" (its not the republican party anymore, it's the 45 cult of personality party) have a look at what just happened in Wisconsin! If that doesn't throw a big bag of cheese flavored ice on excessive hubris, well you guys just aren't paying attention or more likely you don't want to hear, you don't want to know. 

 

Either side can say "fewer Americans would have died if...". It is meaningless. Would Obama somehow have had the answer that eluded the leaders in the UK? Or Italy?

 

I seriously doubt it.

 

What he could have done though was make himself look and sound better. He could have smoothed things over. 

 

These things are largely taken care of by states, and the number of dead whether it be high or low should rest more with governors in my opinion. 

 

I do not care for Trump at all, I just do not believe other presidents would have saved anyone. Although if I had to pick my least favored to be in thee during this crisis it would be dubya. 

 

 

On 4/15/2020 at 11:59 AM, Nigel Garvie said:

Well yes ......hearing Obama speak full sentences of coherent English, making good points whilst respecting convention by not attacking a current president in a crisis is refreshing. It reminds us just how bad it has got in a white house full of crooked yes men. No wonder the Trumpers hate Obama, their sad excuse for a leader can only offer up a narcissistic self obsessed deluded and garbled word salad. How acutely embarrassing for the GOP to have to defend a man without the slightest shred of human decency, when his inadequacies are highlighted by a former great president, a caring man of principle, intelligence and integrity. Oh yes he can speak normal English also, should that be so hard?