U.S. CDC reports 928,619 coronavirus cases, 52,459 deaths

[Thakkar]

6 hours ago, TeaMonkey said:

Amazing how easily people give away their freedom with questioning it. 

Give up the freedom to get infected with a new, still little understood, and potentially deadly disease, and in turn Infect everyone in my family? Sure. 

If I’m out and get into a car accident, I’m not not going to infect my family, who are safely at home, with that car accident.

[phantomfiddler]

6 hours ago, TeaMonkey said:

Amazing how easily people give away their freedom with questioning it. 

More sad than amazing ????

[samran]

18 minutes ago, sucit said:

I bet you have brainwashed your teenage daughter, even if you do not realize it. 

 

Let your daughter know Sweden is open, and their medical system is not overwhelmed. Let us know what she thinks about that. 

Yes, those darn leftist Swedes and their world class government run health care system and otherwise being very obedient people in a manner which would give chills to the average American 'conservative'- but hey, any port in a storm.

 

Their rate of death is double that of other nordic countries from memory, and their ICU beds aren't overwhelmed cause they had plenty of them.

 

As for brianwashing my teenage daughter, I guess you've never had a teenager....

 

[UbonThani]

3 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Are the 400,000 that die each more important than money?No they are not.Why not?If most people understand your top three reasons why don't they apply the same understanding to those 400,000 flu victims each and every year.4 million over the last ten years!What will be the state of the world these people will emerge from their homes into What jobs?

exactly

no flu lockdowns 555

[UbonThani]

2 hours ago, samran said:

Your sudden concern for human life is heartwarming.

 

In the rest of the developed world, universal health care, free flu shots for the most vulnerable sections of society puts paid to your argument. 
 

But discussing the merits of universal health care is starting to be waaaay off topic, so I shall stop. 

flu shots dont do much

500k deaths a year puts paid to your argument

 

 

Edited April 27, 2020 by UbonThani

[Thakkar]

5 minutes ago, samran said:

As for brianwashing my teenage daughter, I guess you've never had a teenager...

????

mine had to reach drinking age before the eyerolls ebbed.

[FarFlungFalang]

2 hours ago, samran said:

Your sudden concern for human life is heartwarming.

 

In the rest of the developed world, universal health care, free flu shots for the most vulnerable sections of society puts paid to your argument. 
 

But discussing the merits of universal health care is starting to be waaaay off topic, so I shall stop. 

Even with the flu shot the death toll for the flu is still about 400,000 so that doesn't put paid to my argument as you suggest and my sudden concern for life is irrelevant to my question why aren't the flu victims just as deserving of similar measures as C19 victims, answering this question seems to be avoided by those I ask unless it's answered as with there are vaccines or is't not the same.As the topic is C19 deaths I don't see it being way off topic or is that what you're using as a cop out from answering my simple question?Maybe you stop the discussion because you have no valid argument.

[UbonThani]

8 minutes ago, samran said:

Hmm, then why are sco-mo and the liberal party all of a sudden ignoring such well qualified advice? I'll give you three guesses...

Bad advice. Scott is hopeless.

[UbonThani]

4 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Even with the flu shot the death toll for the flu is still about 400,000 so that doesn't put paid to my argument as you suggest and my sudden concern for life is irrelevant to my question why aren't the flu victims just as deserving of similar measures as C19 victims, answering this question seems to be avoided by those I ask unless it's answered as with there are vaccines or is't not the same.As the topic is C19 deaths I don't see it being way off topic or is that what you're using as a cop out from answering my simple question?Maybe you stop the discussion because you have no valid argument.

yes the Corona socialists dont care about lives really. Other deaths are fine. They just hate freedom.

[samran]

Just now, UbonThani said:

Bad advice. Scott is hopeless.

Yeah, how dare he ignore advice from you and the rest of the 'sky news at night' crew.... 555

[FarFlungFalang]

1 minute ago, UbonThani said:

Bad advice. Scott is hopeless.

Scotty from marketing only listens if it's good marketing!

[samran]

Just now, UbonThani said:

yes the Corona socialists dont care about lives really. Other deaths are fine. They just hate freedom.

feel free to grab your gun, comrade, and overthrow the government!

[J Town]

6 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Even with the flu shot the death toll for the flu is still about 400,000 so that doesn't put paid to my argument as you suggest and my sudden concern for life is irrelevant to my question why aren't the flu victims just as deserving of similar measures as C19 victims, answering this question seems to be avoided by those I ask unless it's answered as with there are vaccines or is't not the same.As the topic is C19 deaths I don't see it being way off topic or is that what you're using as a cop out from answering my simple question?Maybe you stop the discussion because you have no valid argument.

That 400,000 is number who got sick.

 

CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season.Jan 8, 2020

[rudi49jr]

6 hours ago, TeaMonkey said:

influenza is also contagious, quite often overwhelms our medical system and is considered a pandemic by those in the medical field

So when is the last time that the intensive care units of so many hospitals got flooded with patients who had the flu? 

 

6 hours ago, TeaMonkey said:

Quite a few experts are saying this is just another respiratory virus and will burn out within 2 months. 

And what experts would that be? Donald Trump, who said the virus is just going to magically disappear some day soon? The vast majority of experts is warning us that this virus is going to be with us for quite a while, maybe even years, so much longer than the two months you mentioned. And it is not ‘just another respiratory virus’, by the way, in case you haven’t noticed yet.

[UbonThani]

1 hour ago, J Town said:

That 400,000 is number who got sick.

 

CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season.Jan 8, 2020

thats 1 country

[UbonThani]

 https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/influenza-(seasonal)

 

half a million

[UbonThani]

 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6815659/

[FarFlungFalang]

1 hour ago, J Town said:

That 400,000 is number who got sick.

 

CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season.Jan 8, 2020

400,000 die from flu globally!Of course they got sick before they died.

[metisdead]

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[johnnybangkok]

Just now, FarFlungFalang said:

400,000 die from flu globally!Of course they got sick before they died.

You have had this explained to you in other threads before but it seems you either don't want to listen or are just willfully ignorant. So one more time for the people at the back of the room:-

Flu kills between 250-500,000 people worldwide per year (https://www.medscape.com/answers/219557-3459/what-is-the-global-incidence-of-influenza). That works out at between 20,000 and 41,000 per month. So far Covid has killed approx. 200,000 (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?" \l "countries) in the space of 2 months WITH lockdown. That makes it 5 times more deadly than the worst flu year. Mortality through flu is widely accepted as 0.1%, so even if Covid deaths were only 1% (a very low number with most experts agreeing it's 2-5%), that meakes C19 mortality rate 10 times deadlier than the flu. And there is no Covid shot to help mitigate these numbers.

Please stop with the flu comparisons. I know it feeds into your echo chamber but it really isn't helpful. Even Fox News and all the other right wing media have stopped flogging this dead horse.  

[UbonThani]

3 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

You have had this explained to you in other threads before but it seems you either don't want to listen or are just willfully ignorant. So one more time for the people at the back of the room:-

Flu kills between 250-500,000 people worldwide per year (https://www.medscape.com/answers/219557-3459/what-is-the-global-incidence-of-influenza). That works out at between 20,000 and 41,000 per month. So far Covid has killed approx. 200,000 (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?" \l "countries) in the space of 2 months WITH lockdown. That makes it 5 times more deadly than the worst flu year. Mortality through flu is widely accepted as 0.1%, so even if Covid deaths were only 1% (a very low number with most experts agreeing it's 2-5%), that meakes C19 mortality rate 10 times deadlier than the flu. And there is no Covid shot to help mitigate these numbers.

Please stop with the flu comparisons. I know it feeds into your echo chamber but it really isn't helpful. Even Fox News and all the other right wing media have stopped flogging this dead horse.  

the flu mainly kills in winter which is 6 months in both hemispheres

 

Corona has killed 200k+ in 5 months

 

 

[FarFlungFalang]

13 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

You have had this explained to you in other threads before but it seems you either don't want to listen or are just willfully ignorant. So one more time for the people at the back of the room:-

Flu kills between 250-500,000 people worldwide per year (https://www.medscape.com/answers/219557-3459/what-is-the-global-incidence-of-influenza). That works out at between 20,000 and 41,000 per month. So far Covid has killed approx. 200,000 (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?" \l "countries) in the space of 2 months WITH lockdown. That makes it 5 times more deadly than the worst flu year. Mortality through flu is widely accepted as 0.1%, so even if Covid deaths were only 1% (a very low number with most experts agreeing it's 2-5%), that meakes C19 mortality rate 10 times deadlier than the flu. And there is no Covid shot to help mitigate these numbers.

Please stop with the flu comparisons. I know it feeds into your echo chamber but it really isn't helpful. Even Fox News and all the other right wing media have stopped flogging this dead horse.  

The worst flu season was the Spanish flu which killed 30-50 Million are you saying C19 is more deadly than that?If so please show something supporting your statement "That makes it 5 times more deadly than the worst flu year."

This outbreak hasn't finished and the statistics you quote of 2-5% is an estimate which worldometer says is not final.So the horse is not yet dead and I will continue to flog it for all it's worth.You accept the 2-5% is if it's fact yet you say "most experts agree it's 2-5%" when you can tell that 2-5% is a guess because if it wasn't a guess they would say it's exactly such and such % and not give an estimated range!They have yet to complete antibody testing to get a clearer picture of the extent of spread so again your argument is somewhat incomplete.Time and testing will tell.

[earlinclaifornia]

5 hours ago, riclag said:

Come on !

 Feb 29, Dr. Fauci on coronavirus fears:" No need to change lifestyle yet"

https://www.today.com/video/dr-fauci-on-coronavirus-fears-no-need-to-change-lifestyle-yet-79684677616

 

No sense in debating you ! You have a one track mind! Sink Trump!

 

 

Only trump will sink trump

[Rimmer]

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[johnnybangkok]

3 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

The worst flu season was the Spanish flu which killed 30-50 Million are you saying C19 is more deadly than that?If so please show something supporting your statement "That makes it 5 times more deadly than the worst flu year."

This outbreak hasn't finished and the statistics you quote of 2-5% is an estimate which worldometer says is not final.So the horse is not yet dead and I will continue to flog it for all it's worth.You accept the 2-5% is if it's fact yet you say "most experts agree it's 2-5%" when you can tell that 2-5% is a guess because if it wasn't a guess they would say it's exactly such and such % and not give an estimated range!They have yet to complete antibody testing to get a clearer picture of the extent of spread so again your argument is somewhat incomplete.Time and testing will tell.

I'm glad you bought up the Spanish Flu because the answer COULD be yes. There is a lot of misinformation on the numbers who died (anything from 20 million to 100 million) BUt most experts agree the fatality rate for the Spanish flu is calculated at about 2% https://www.biospace.com/article/compare-1918-spanish-influenza-pandemic-versus-covid-19/  

Spanish Flu was much more deadly because mistakes were made that are being mirrored in many governments response to C19 and especially in Trumps. You can find many good articles on this but look at   https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200420/four-lessons-from-the-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic#3 and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6477554/ and you will see both the problems and the cure:-

 

The reason why Spanish flu was so deadly include:-

1. The Federal Government initially played down the pandemic whilst they focused almost entirely on the last big push to end the war.

2. They tell the public it's not a big problem, or -- as the name suggests -- that it's a foreign disease that only affects 'others,'" 

3. There was no federal response so this left cities and states to go off on their own and make decisions for themselves, creating inconsistancies in response and effectivenes.

 

Who and what does that remind you of?

 

And the cure? yes, you guessed it, social distancing. 'Cities that acted earliest and most forcefully -- like St. Louis, which imposed a near total lockdown within two days of its first Spanish flu case -- had much lower peak death rates than cities that hedged their bets -- like New Orleans, Boston and Philadelphia.

 

Covid 19 is not the worlds first rodeo but for some reason people are just ignoring what needs to be done. We've been through this before. We know what to do and so do the experts. Stop arguing against their professional advice in favour of a man who recommends you ingest disinfectant. 

Edited April 27, 2020 by johnnybangkok

[johnnybangkok]

5 hours ago, UbonThani said:

the flu mainly kills in winter which is 6 months in both hemispheres

 

Corona has killed 200k+ in 5 months

 

 

It's not 5 months though is it. The vast majority of deaths have been in the last 2  months with the USA rcording it's first in late February   https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/925932

So in 2 months the USA has had 55,500 deaths. That's a lot

[rudi49jr]

6 hours ago, UbonThani said:

the flu mainly kills in winter which is 6 months in both hemispheres

 

Corona has killed 200k+ in 5 months

 

 

"Corona has killed 200k+ in 5 months"

But that is with lockdowns and social distancing and such in place. Imagine what the number would have been if we'd just let the virus run free. IC wards would have been swamped, not nearly enough ventilators (and trained staff) for all the sick and many people would have simply died because they could not be helped or treated.

[UbonThani]

6 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

"Corona has killed 200k+ in 5 months"

But that is with lockdowns and social distancing and such in place. Imagine what the number would have been if we'd just let the virus run free. IC wards would have been swamped, not nearly enough ventilators (and trained staff) for all the sick and many people would have simply died because they could not be helped or treated.

not much difference. All you need to do is isolate the old and sick. the fit young people arent on ventilators

[johnnybangkok]

2 hours ago, UbonThani said:

not much difference. All you need to do is isolate the old and sick. the fit young people arent on ventilators

Maybe you should tell that to the 1,893 under 65 years old who have already died from C19 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

 

Oh sorry, you can't. Because they're dead.

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Maybe you should tell that to the 1,893 under 65 years old who have already died from C19 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

 

Oh sorry, you can't. Because they're dead.

And how many of those had underlying conditions?

It is a fact that younger people are far less at risk of developing serious symptoms than older.