mommysboy Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Whoa!!! Smoking may prevent covid infection. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-france-nicotine-patch-gum-research-covid-19-a9484696.html How counter-intuitive- but it appears that in China, USA, and France many less smokers are turning up in ICU than would be expected. The statistics are barely believable considering that smoking is so unhealthy. And as the researchers point out, those smokers who do succumb are far more likely to suffer worse consequences since smoking undermines the pulmonary system long term. But it appears that smoking (bit presumptive to think nicotine or patches) may protect people from being infected, or mitigate symptoms. Marly red anyone? I fully expect this posting to disappear under a torrent of misinformation from those who miss the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puccini Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 14 hours ago, mommysboy said: ...I fully expect this posting to disappear under a torrent of misinformation from those who miss the point... The point is that the news article to which a link is given in the OP is FAKE NEWS From the news article: Quote A study published this week, based on 483 patients at Pitié-Salpêtrière hospital in Paris, said smokers were less infected with Covid-19 than other people. Clicking on the red word study in the above quote brings me to the publication of the alleged study, in the authors' words a tentatively proposed hypothesis, and there is no mention in there of "483 patients" or any other number of patients and no mention of "Pitié-Salpêtière hospital in Paris". There is this earlier topic on the same subject for those who are interested: On my part, being a lifelong non-smoker, I look forward to the publication of a study hypothesising that drinking red wine protects against infection with SARS-CoV-2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Removed an off-topic post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relocated Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 16 hours ago, mommysboy said: Whoa!!! Smoking may prevent covid infection. This hypothesis is worse than global warming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 It's not fake news at all- smokers are far less represented in covid illness than one would have thought- this appears an absolute fact. And it's not just one population studied. So, we have to ask why that it is! Perhaps it's nicotine inhibiting covid 19 binders in some way, or some other chemical in cigarette smoke. What is a bit silly imo is the assumption that nicotine patches will help, ie, nicotine patches are not cigarettes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puccini Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Coronavirus and smoking: What does the World Health Organization say? By Matthew Holroyd • last updated: 29/04/2020 - 16:02 ... So what do world health experts say? Are smokers less likely to contract the virus? No. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), those who smoke are likely to be more vulnerable to infection. Read full story: https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/28/covid-19-and-smoking-what-does-the-who-say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuyiinthesky Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 On 4/28/2020 at 12:13 PM, mommysboy said: It's not fake news at all- smokers are far less represented in covid illness than one would have thought- this appears an absolute fact. And it's not just one population studied. So, we have to ask why that it is! They died already, lung cancer etc, before reaching the risk age for Covid 19. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 7 hours ago, yuyiinthesky said: They died already, lung cancer etc, before reaching the risk age for Covid 19. There could be truth in that. Obviously though we are looking at people who are very much alive at the time of seeking medical assistance. But yes, it could be that in the very old the smokers are long gone. It might also be the case that the records are inaccurate. It's the sort of detail that isn't obvious like age, gender, etc. It could also be something to do with weight, as nicotine suppresses appetite. We know obesity is a major factor in morbidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyHarry55 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 The Article says "NICOTINE and coronavirus" Not smoking!!!! Smoking isn't the only way to take Nicotine Vaping for example is much much less harmful. Lol that would iss the Health Minister if true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 19 hours ago, Puccini said: Coronavirus and smoking: What does the World Health Organization say? By Matthew Holroyd • last updated: 29/04/2020 - 16:02 ... So what do world health experts say? Are smokers less likely to contract the virus? No. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), those who smoke are likely to be more vulnerable to infection. Read full story: https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/28/covid-19-and-smoking-what-does-the-who-say IMO this organization frequently favours ideology over fact, which is often the case when outside funding is a factor. It has been hopelessly out of step with mainstream science on vaping for example. I believe the statement here is somewhat dated and general in nature. Smoking of course is basically deleterious to health, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, DirtyHarry55 said: The Article says "NICOTINE and coronavirus" Not smoking!!!! Smoking isn't the only way to take Nicotine Vaping for example is much much less harmful. Lol that would iss the Health Minister if true. That's an important point- strictly speaking , the data (if accurate) relates to smoking and not necessarily to nicotine, or any other related activity. I agree that vaping is much less harmful, indeed could even be beneficial in certain cohorts, such as COPD sufferers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyHarry55 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Scientists are perplexed by the low rate of coronavirus hospitalizations among smokers. Nicotine may hold the answer. https://theweek.com/speedreads/911429/scientists-are-perplexed-by-low-rate-coronavirus-hospitalizations-among-smokers-nicotine-may-hold-answer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 (edited) A more detailed study has been carried out in Italy using more reliable data, and it seems to confirm that smoking may play some role in protecting smokers against infection from the virus. It really does appear that there is something in this claim. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8306781/Researchers-uncover-evidence-smokers-protected-deadly-coronavirus.html Edited May 11, 2020 by mommysboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talahtnut Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 (edited) Ive always said smoking keeps the germs and fussy women away. Edited May 11, 2020 by talahtnut addition 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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