Allowing exception to the rule will only encourage other companies in California to follow suit and disregard the law. Concerned with their employment, workers have no choice to return to work and risk infection and infecting their family and community. Tesla must comply and wait like others to reopen safely and at the right time. 

On 5/12/2020 at 8:45 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

For over 80,000 American victims of this virus, life does not ‘go on’.

Everyday we make decisions that carry a risk. I might go to Big C and catch the flu. I might eat something and get food poisoning (did that in Ireland 30 yrs ago and wished I'd of died). You might be in a vehicle accident.  There is a risk in life. I'm sad for those who were 'tagged' as Covid. Maybe the Gov of NY shouldn't have sent Covid patients to the Nursing homes. The point is, just like that lady in Texas who opened her salon, people have to work to feed themselves and their families.  End of story!!!

 

Life goes on.

Lets pray he doesn't end up getting a taste of his own medicine  !

13 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

There is no law cited in the article. It's a local "order". Just like the governors really have no right to declare lockdown laws. Making laws is for the legislature. Just like Trump couldn't tell the states to open or close. Sounds like nobody has bothered Musk so far. 

 

He is almost begging to be arrested so he can be the one with the legal team to put this to a fight. If they don't arrest him it is because he is doing nothing wrong. End of story. 

It's a county health agency order. It's authorized by statute and by the state's constitution. There are a couple Supreme Court decisions from the 1918 Flu Pandemic and later that make it clear this absolutely is constitutional. It is a duty of the state to protect the citizens from health hazards, and that responsibility is devolved to the lowest possible level of government. We won't really know for a couple more years if the lockdowns were overreacting, but the orders are certainly legal and I hope Elon goes to his plant and gets arrested there. The feds allowed him to skate when he was openly manipulating his stock price, but that's a bipartisan thing. The Democrats have been at least as bad.

10 hours ago, Saint Nick said:

Oh, Elon...you are such a hero!

Especially, when you pay every fine with couch- change!

Not so easy for your workers, right?!

 

Oh and as you are such a great man for all your workers...how about NOT making them jobless by moving somewhere else and just WAIT, like everybody else, you selfish little ...man!

Perhaps Musk will do like Toyota USA did when they fled California. They offered their people jobs in Texas. The smart ones moved. Sold their expensive houses in CA and either bought much bigger house in Texas or pocketed tons of equity.

 

Musk has an obligation to do what's best for Tesla. California has been driving business out of the state for decades. Blaming the people fleeing oppression does not make logical sense.

1 hour ago, Acharn said:

It's a county health agency order. It's authorized by statute and by the state's constitution. There are a couple Supreme Court decisions from the 1918 Flu Pandemic and later that make it clear this absolutely is constitutional. It is a duty of the state to protect the citizens from health hazards, and that responsibility is devolved to the lowest possible level of government. We won't really know for a couple more years if the lockdowns were overreacting, but the orders are certainly legal and I hope Elon goes to his plant and gets arrested there. The feds allowed him to skate when he was openly manipulating his stock price, but that's a bipartisan thing. The Democrats have been at least as bad.

These "orders" are discriminatory.

9 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Allowing exception to the rule will only encourage other companies in California to follow suit and disregard the law. Concerned with their employment, workers have no choice to return to work and risk infection and infecting their family and community. Tesla must comply and wait like others to reopen safely and at the right time. 

It appears you're missing a piece of the puzzle. Musk is suing. That means he's using the legal system to seek a remedy. I predict he will prevail legally and will be able to open his plant soon. And why do you think you know how Musk's employees feel about going back to work?

9 hours ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

Everyday we make decisions that carry a risk. I might go to Big C and catch the flu. I might eat something and get food poisoning (did that in Ireland 30 yrs ago and wished I'd of died). You might be in a vehicle accident.  There is a risk in life. I'm sad for those who were 'tagged' as Covid. Maybe the Gov of NY shouldn't have sent Covid patients to the Nursing homes. The point is, just like that lady in Texas who opened her salon, people have to work to feed themselves and their families.  End of story!!!

 

Life goes on.

but there are employment laws where an employer can be liable for any injury or death of an employee where the incident may be reasonably foreseen. Employers have a duty of care.

 

As musk will be acting illegally by openning his workplace, against health advice then he may be in real trouble.

 

He doesnt have a good record with courts lately.

 

If he opens it he is acting illegally and should be arrested and charged. End of story

12 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

These "orders" are discriminatory.

In your legal opinion of course.

14 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Perhaps Musk will do like Toyota USA did when they fled California. They offered their people jobs in Texas. The smart ones moved. Sold their expensive houses in CA and either bought much bigger house in Texas or pocketed tons of equity.

 

Musk has an obligation to do what's best for Tesla. California has been driving business out of the state for decades. Blaming the people fleeing oppression does not make logical sense.

Musk has an obligation to obey the law.

Just now, Sujo said:

In your legal opinion of course.

That's all we have on most issues, so yes.

They bowed down and kissed his ass. He was getting all sorts of tweets trying to lure Tesla elsewhere. Guess the county figured out they were screwed, screwed and screwed without Tesla's jobs. 

3 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

They bowed down and kissed his ass. He was getting all sorts of tweets trying to lure Tesla elsewhere. Guess the county figured out they were screwed, screwed and screwed without Tesla's jobs. 

I guess officials have no principles and don't care about needless death and suffering. Given they caved, what else are we to believe if we're going to use the liberal rule book?

3 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

I guess officials have no principles and don't care about needless death and suffering. Given they caved, what else are we to believe if we're going to use the liberal rule book?

 

Good point. Meanwhile in Wisconsin the Supreme Court ruled that the governor can't order another shut down. Being shut in is okay if you are a senior citizen with uninterrupted SS checks. Heck it is probably normal at that point. For the rest of the world it isn't possible. 

 

Also I heard in open states the rate of death isn't higher than the lockdown prison states. Infection is higher maybe but not death tolls. 

 

 

On 5/12/2020 at 4:27 PM, Baerboxer said:

<SNIP>

Or is it more about a capitalist neo-conservative business man daring to challenge the rule of a socialist politician?

After it was revealed that he made donations to Republicans, Musk specifically denied allegations he was a full-blooded supporter of the party and tweeted: ‘To be clear, I am not a conservative. ‘Am registered independent & politically moderate. Doesn’t mean I’m moderate about all issues.

 

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/02/06/ive-said-elon-musk-reveals-true-political-beliefs-8459377/?ito=cbshare

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

After it was revealed that he made donations to Republicans, Musk specifically denied allegations he was a full-blooded supporter of the party and tweeted: ‘To be clear, I am not a conservative. ‘Am registered independent & politically moderate. Doesn’t mean I’m moderate about all issues.

 

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/02/06/ive-said-elon-musk-reveals-true-political-beliefs-8459377/?ito=cbshare

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/

 

He is the darling of the liberal new green deal nonsense community. Greta would have his babies.

12 minutes ago, simple1 said:

After it was revealed that he made donations to Republicans, Musk specifically denied allegations he was a full-blooded supporter of the party and tweeted: ‘To be clear, I am not a conservative. ‘Am registered independent & politically moderate. Doesn’t mean I’m moderate about all issues.

 

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/02/06/ive-said-elon-musk-reveals-true-political-beliefs-8459377/?ito=cbshare

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/

Elon Musk supported Yang for president:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/12/elon-musk-tweets-support-of-democrat-presidential-hopeful-andrew-yang.html

 

And he donates to people from both major parties:

https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=elon+musk&order=desc&sort=D

On 5/13/2020 at 8:42 PM, Crazy Alex said:

It appears you're missing a piece of the puzzle. Musk is suing. That means he's using the legal system to seek a remedy. I predict he will prevail legally and will be able to open his plant soon. And why do you think you know how Musk's employees feel about going back to work?

I predict the court will dismiss his case as frivolous. I don't think he's going to be arrested, but I wish he would be. The authority of local governments to enforce quarantine to protect public health is well established in law, supported by a couple of Supreme Court decisions after the 1919 Flu Pandemic.

3 minutes ago, Acharn said:

I predict the court will dismiss his case as frivolous. I don't think he's going to be arrested, but I wish he would be. The authority of local governments to enforce quarantine to protect public health is well established in law, supported by a couple of Supreme Court decisions after the 1919 Flu Pandemic.

 

It's a moot point. Elon is cranking out Teslas now and people were happy to go work for him. The entire parking lot was full and there were food trucks. The people spoke.

36 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

It's a moot point. Elon is cranking out Teslas now and people were happy to go work for him. The entire parking lot was full and there were food trucks. The people spoke.

Yeah. Let's take another look at this in two weeks. Who knows? Maybe the warmer weather really will make the virus disappear like magic, but the legal point still stands. Musk broke the law. The fact that he's not punished for it is normal; he's rich.

11 hours ago, Acharn said:

Yeah. Let's take another look at this in two weeks. Who knows? Maybe the warmer weather really will make the virus disappear like magic, but the legal point still stands. Musk broke the law. The fact that he's not punished for it is normal; he's rich.

 

In two weeks those people will get their next pay check. What do you think would happen if they stayed home with no money? 

14 hours ago, Acharn said:

Musk broke the law. The fact that he's not punished for it is normal; he's rich.

Then your beef is with the government not doing anything about it, right? At least in part?

On 5/15/2020 at 10:30 PM, Crazy Alex said:

Then your beef is with the government not doing anything about it, right? At least in part?

Yes, in part. In a way it's hard to blame them. He has a lot more money than all the residents of the county put together, so they really can't afford to fight with him through the "legal" system, but it's a shame they backed down. Also, a lot of the workers really need the pay checks. California's unemployment insurance system is one of the most sclerotic in the country, so most of those who filed in the last two months haven't received any money yet. The county's medical officer had pretty well agreed that he could open in a few more days anyway, and I think under the state's current policy it's OK. But, of course, I put most of the blame on Musk.

On 5/15/2020 at 7:22 PM, Cryingdick said:

 

In two weeks those people will get their next pay check. What do you think would happen if they stayed home with no money? 

Yeah, I can't argue with that. California's unemployment insurance system is really broken, and I've lived most of my life paycheck to paycheck. I don't blame any worker who decides to take the risk.

On 5/12/2020 at 10:25 PM, Crazy Alex said:

Those don't matter. No political points to be scored. And the 1,000,000 who die each year from TB? Who cares? Mostly brown and black people in poor countries. How does that help the GET TRUMP AT ALL COSTS campaign?

You are sick

On 5/12/2020 at 9:33 AM, Retarded said:

I will vote for Musk in 2024. 

He would make a great president as he already has experience in stealing tax payer money.

On 5/13/2020 at 12:57 AM, MikeyIdea said:

Musk can move to Europe or Asia instead if he doesn't like the US. Less viruses because of why?

I would imagine he will go and live with his tribe once finished milking the American taxpayer for all he can.

On 5/12/2020 at 11:29 PM, Acharn said:

I think Musk is facing some kind of deadline. He's desperate. Should be in jail already for stock manipulation and fraud.

Has to get back to the Kibbutz where people are waiting for their money.

26 minutes ago, Heppinger said:

I would imagine he will go and live with his tribe once finished milking the American taxpayer for all he can.

What tribe is that? Pennsylvania Dutch? 

On 5/12/2020 at 10:25 AM, Crazy Alex said:

Those don't matter. No political points to be scored. And the 1,000,000 who die each year from TB? Who cares? Mostly brown and black people in poor countries. How does that help the GET TRUMP AT ALL COSTS campaign?

Another intentionally misleading and deceitful statement.  The initial statement was 

"80,000 American victims of this virus, life does not ‘go on’."  Now you  refer to  1,000,000 deaths from TB.

 

If you wish to make a comparison and for it not to be dismissed as misleading and  deceitful, you must do two things;

1. Provide a truthful comparison

2. Use accurate data that is comparable.

 

The initial statement was in respect to the USA. You wish to reference TB deaths. Fine. the use an appropriate value. There were approximately 500 TB related deaths in the USA in 2019. many of these patients  were people from infected countries who had the illness when they arrived and others had an existing immune system illness like HIV. because you presented another value in an attempt to pass it off as an appropriate comparison, the statement was deceitful.

 

The statement was misleading because you make the assumption that TB is comparable to Covid19. TB is a manageable illness with  viable treatment. there is even a vaccine. Covid 19  does not have any of that. 

 

The temporary  closure of the Tesla plant   was intended to protect public health and workers. It has nothing to do with "getting trump". The county has an interest in reopening the plant and if it was in the county's best interest, it would,