19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I suggest you read and inwardly digest Lightfoot’s letter’.

 

I doubt very much you’ll like what it says.

The situation in Chicago is actually very different to Portland, the mayor there Lori Lightfoot, just completely failed in ensuring the safety of its citizens from crime, drive by shootings are becoming an epidemic, so Trump has launched an operation to asssist Chicago with agents to help with actual gang crime. This is different to Portland which is a known stronghold of leftist Antifa activists. So Portland got DHS torched in a swift operation. Chicago is different, Lightfoot of course hates Trump and doesn't want to be blitzed by DHS like Portland, but she has agreed that help from other law enforcement is welcome in Chicago. Because she can't handle the crime by herself for some reason. 

38 minutes ago, Logosone said:

The situation in Chicago is actually very different to Portland, the mayor there Lori Lightfoot, just completely failed in ensuring the safety of its citizens from crime, drive by shootings are becoming an epidemic, so Trump has launched an operation to asssist Chicago with agents to help with actual gang crime. This is different to Portland which is a known stronghold of leftist Antifa activists. So Portland got DHS torched in a swift operation. Chicago is different, Lightfoot of course hates Trump and doesn't want to be blitzed by DHS like Portland, but she has agreed that help from other law enforcement is welcome in Chicago. Because she can't handle the crime by herself for some reason. 

You too need to read Lightfoot’s letter.

10 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

OK, here is a picture from the right-wing UK newspaper, The Daily Telegraph, showing unidentifiable federal officers lined up against protestors in Portland. Perhaps you could point out the badges, insignia, ID's or any other identifying marks on them? All I see is  the word "Police" on their chests.

 

 

That's a job for GroveHill to take on himself, and not deflect on others. Simply saying you don't see this stuff would be OK but a picture only shows a certain perspective. Doesn't even ID the paper (maybe NYT or CNN)

57 minutes ago, Logosone said:

The situation in Chicago is actually very different to Portland, the mayor there Lori Lightfoot, just completely failed in ensuring the safety of its citizens from crime, drive by shootings are becoming an epidemic, so Trump has launched an operation to asssist Chicago with agents to help with actual gang crime. This is different to Portland which is a known stronghold of leftist Antifa activists. So Portland got DHS torched in a swift operation. Chicago is different, Lightfoot of course hates Trump and doesn't want to be blitzed by DHS like Portland, but she has agreed that help from other law enforcement is welcome in Chicago. Because she can't handle the crime by herself for some reason. 

Lightfoot might as well be standing on the corner selling sodas to the gangs. She's doing nothing and letting the carnage continue. She should care about the out of control black on black crime. 

The situation in Chicago is gang related. That in Portland is terrorist related. Unfortunately in Portland there are misguided left wingers that think they are joining a just cause. When everything is burnt down they'll regret not having their favorite coffee shops.

The illiberal wackos want to blame Trump for not helping and when he does they blame him anyway. They are totally blinded by their politics and don't care about society and/people. Given the choice Trump has done the right thing for everyone.

This whole thing is an attempt at a revolution and an overturn. This is how revolutions start. It would take a long book to outline the background and how we got here and the dynamics of the present time. And the values and lack thereof of those active. It's a crucial year.

49 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You too need to read Lightfoot’s letter.

Lightfoot makes clear why she is so incompetent and unable in stopping the violence in that letter.

 

She makes clear where she's coming from in that all the problems "disproportionately affect" black people and then excuses the violence by reference to poverty.

 

Typical leftist weak, pathetic old nonsense that hasn't worked and will never work.

On 7/23/2020 at 6:21 AM, Brunolem said:

America will soon have to chose between two paths:

 

- civil war, or

 

- split the country, like the former Yugoslavia did, into two new countries: the USA, run by conservatives, and the USSA, run by marxists.

 

 

 

They already have Disney Land so Trump Land wont get too many sane visitors

22 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

 

You still cannot arrest or detain someone without probable cause.

Being in a riot is probable cause IMO.

1 hour ago, checkered flag said:

The illiberal wackos want to blame Trump for not helping and when he does they blame him anyway. They are totally blinded by their politics and don't care about society and/people. Given the choice Trump has done the right thing for everyone.

The right wing wackos want to spin it, just the way they need it!

If they defend the 2nd ammendment, they babble about the overreach of the government!

If they attack "marxists, anarchists and ANTIFA", every means is justified!

 

1 hour ago, checkered flag said:

The illiberal wackos want to blame Trump for not helping and when he does they blame him anyway. They are totally blinded by their politics and don't care about society and/people. Given the choice Trump has done the right thing for everyone.

Too bad Trump did'nt use the federal level coodination at the very beginning of the pandemic when the hotspots were mainly in blue States, he could have done the right thing fo everyone, blue or red. 

On 7/23/2020 at 5:36 AM, Tippaporn said:

It takes a great deal of courage to take positive action knowing that your critics are going to attempt to nail you to a cross.

555 Courage? Nothing but pre-election meat to trigger his racist base, and judging by Thaivisa it works. 
Trump is a desperate cornered rat. There’s more to come. 8645110320. 

A troll post using a trolling meme has been removed. 

2 hours ago, RobFord said:

555 Courage? Nothing but pre-election meat to trigger his racist base, and judging by Thaivisa it works. 
Trump is a desperate cornered rat. There’s more to come. 8645110320. 

First decent post I've read all day

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Being in a riot is probable cause IMO.

Being at a protest is not.

The Inspector General of the DoJ and tge Inspector General of the DHS have both announced investigations into the use of Federal Officers and the actions of Federal Officers in Oregon.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Inspector General of the DoJ and tge Inspector General of the DHS have both announced investigations into the use of Federal Officers and the actions of Federal Officers in Oregon.

 

 

Well! That is odd....what would possess them to that I wonder?

16 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Well! That is odd....what would possess them to that I wonder?

Their duty as oversight of the federal agencies aimed at preventing unlawful operations and in this case within the DOJ and DHS. 

3 hours ago, Opl said:

Too bad Trump did'nt use the federal level coodination at the very beginning of the pandemic when the hotspots were mainly in blue States, he could have done the right thing fo everyone, blue or red. 

He did. The federal role was to provide back up to the state's efforts. NY get many unused hospital beds, a Navy hospital ship (largely unused), PPE, ventilators, personnel etc. He didn't hesitate and provided real time support. When supplies were limited he took action to find solutions. He indeed did  everything possible at the time. He also shut down travel from China then other hot spots. 

4 hours ago, Saint Nick said:

The right wing wackos want to spin it, just the way they need it!

If they defend the 2nd ammendment, they babble about the overreach of the government!

If they attack "marxists, anarchists and ANTIFA", every means is justified!

 

Tell us then how do they do it so well in the UK.

21 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Dictator Trump trying to silence the freedom of speech.

Setting fire on police buildings, damaging public property, deserting cities is part of the freedom of speech in your universe?

 

'Judge Andrew Napolitano: In Portland, actions of federal agents are unlawful, unconstitutional and harmful'

 

On the detention of a man for two hours by federal agents:

 

"It was a kidnapping, not an arrest. An arrest is a lawful restraint by a legitimate government authority pursuant to a warrant issued by a judge specifically naming the person to be arrested, or pursuant to probable cause of crime personally observed by the arresting officers. Neither of these was the case in Portland."

 

 

 

32 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

 

'Judge Andrew Napolitano: In Portland, actions of federal agents are unlawful, unconstitutional and harmful'

 

On the detention of a man for two hours by federal agents:

 

"It was a kidnapping, not an arrest. An arrest is a lawful restraint by a legitimate government authority pursuant to a warrant issued by a judge specifically naming the person to be arrested, or pursuant to probable cause of crime personally observed by the arresting officers. Neither of these was the case in Portland."

 

 

 

And, don’t miss this because the courts won’t.

 

Arrests are accompanied by written records of the arrest, including the basis of the arrest, the time and place of the arrests and the name and ID of tge arresting officers.

 

 

1 hour ago, JustAnotherHun said:

Setting fire on police buildings, damaging public property, deserting cities is part of the freedom of speech in your universe?

The local police can handle that. They where never asked for assistance to start with. 

7 hours ago, checkered flag said:

That's a job for GroveHill to take on himself, and not deflect on others. Simply saying you don't see this stuff would be OK but a picture only shows a certain perspective. Doesn't even ID the paper (maybe NYT or CNN)

Sorry, that's incorrect. The burden of proof regarding the truthfulness of a claim lies with the one who makes the claim; if this burden is not met, then the claim is unfounded. 

 

You claimed that all the federal personnel were badged and wearing the ID of the unit they report to, so it's actually up to you to prove it.

 

I already identified the source of the photo, it was from the Daily Telegraph, a UK newspaper.

 

Here's a link to the video that has it as the still image that shows before you start playing the clip.

 

 

Edited July 24, 20205 yr by GroveHillWanderer

An off topic post and the trolling replies have been removed

1 hour ago, JustAnotherHun said:

Setting fire on police buildings, damaging public property, deserting cities is part of the freedom of speech in your universe?

I prefer carrying a gun as my right and shooting anyone who annoys me.

I'm waiting for the frothing-at-the-mouth gun toting patriots to show up at one of these things, let's see how the Federal Troopers handle it.  Will they still only abduct the demonstrators while letting the armed guys roam the streets at their will?  That will make for some interesting op-ed pieces.

But I'm not holding my breath, those open-carry guys are usually too cowardly to show up where there may actually be a confrontation. 

 

These Federal Troopers are getting to look more like Star Wars characters, but they are wearing desert camo.  But the camo with "Police" patches mean nothing, anyone can buy that on the web.

 

 

Edited July 24, 20205 yr by bendejo

7 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

The local police can handle that. They where never asked for assistance to start with. 

They weren't handling it though. The feds have a right to protect their property just like I have a right to protect mine.  Besides that, the elected Marxists in the City Council voted to order the police not to cooperate

54 minutes ago, nattaya09 said:

They weren't handling it though. The feds have a right to protect their property just like I have a right to protect mine.  Besides that, the elected Marxists in the City Council voted to order the police not to cooperate

 

 Portland mayhem again ,what is it fifty eight days of far left radical protests! Now the hammer and sickle on the custom made shield,  just solidified what America is up against. ! 2:30 -  2:40

 

The Trump admin needs to expose more of the marxist thugs and put them in jail

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 24, 20205 yr by riclag