address reporting when moving to another province - TM27, TM28, TM30

[pbrock]

I am intending to permanently move to another province. Stay for 1-2 months, then move to another place to stay another 1-2 months.

 

1) If one manages to get a TM30 receipt of notification, does this suffice or could TM27 or TM28 still be demanded later by immigration?

 

2) If one manages to do a TM27 or TM28 report, one doesn't have to worry about the owner doing TM30 anymore?

 

https://pcec.club/TM.28-Reporting

 

 

3) TM28 for tenants is effectively no longer required but is it still possible to do it?

 

4) If owner will not do TM30 (pretend to understand but actually don't understand, lazy, don't care, don't take serious, whatsoever), can I do TM30 by myself without cooperation from the owner?

 

Quoting https://www.immigration.go.th/citizen_manual/guid_en13.pdf

 

"1. The house-master,the owner or the possessor of the residence,or the hotel manager where the alien ,receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed, must notify the competent official at the Immigration Office located in the same area with that house,dwelling place or hotel,within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the alien concerned."

 

5) It lists the "possessor". Therefore I cannot say "TM30 is duty of owner, not my duty as tenant"?

 

6) I guess if the owner fails to do TM30 I should just move to another place that does it and then the problem is solved? As long as no visa extension is due, I don't have to worry about some owner skipping the TM30?

 

Not trying to be difficult here. I'll explain why I find this difficult. I once asked about TM28 in an immigration office but they didn't know that form and said we don't do that form here, we do TM30. Even had to show a photo of the TM28 form to even make clear what I mean. That was during a time before TM28 was "scrapped". That was because I already had the feeling that the owner would mess up TM30 as above and I was right about it.

 

And then that problem happened indeed during the time before TM30 was relaxed the owner. When I wanted to apply for a visa extension, immigration told me that TM30 was not done after re-entry and this needs to be resolved first. The owner of the condo unit did not do TM30 even though I always notified the owner when I re-entered Thailand. Always sent up to date entry stamps / arrival cards photos to that owner on line. The owner said thanks but the did not do anything about it. The fine wasn't for me. The receipt was in the name for the absent owner (in another city). The immigration officer then called the owner and explained it yet again. I had the option to either not pay the fine since it was the owner's fault, but then I couldn't get my visa extension. The other option was paying the fine and the asking the money back from the owner.

 

Not helpful is the language barrier. Even though not my task to do TM30, I explained this to the owner, had a Thai person call the owner and explain it again. Yet, the owner did not do it. Perhaps this is an issue of pretending to understand and the Thai keeping face culture.

 

I don't want to be dependent on the owner understanding and doing the TM30 requirement for my next visa extension. Somehow resolving this on my own in case any owner does not do it. I also want to avoid any fines and asking back any money from owners who fail to do TM30.

[JusticeGB]

I live in a condo and have a rental agreement. My landlady sent me a copy of her TM30 report of me showing that I was staying at my rented condo. In spite of this I went to Jomtien Immigration with a copy of my rental agreement and filled in the form to register my own TM30.  It is handy to have it in my passport as proof of address. Jomtien told me that if I went abroad "maybe" I should redo it with my new TM7 entry form. 

[Max69xl]

As a tenant, you are the possessor. If you can submit the TM30 in person with a rental contract and the usual copies of this and that,depends on the Immigration office. They almost never wants a TM27 or TM28 anymore. 

[Max69xl]

52 minutes ago, JusticeGB said:

I live in a condo and have a rental agreement. My landlady sent me a copy of her TM30 report of me showing that I was staying at my rented condo. In spite of this I went to Jomtien Immigration with a copy of my rental agreement and filled in the form to register my own TM30.  It is handy to have it in my passport as proof of address. Jomtien told me that if I went abroad "maybe" I should redo it with my new TM7 entry form. 

If you come back on a re-entry permit to the last reported address, there's no need to submit another TM30. The entry card is TM6 and you should put the last reported address on it (if you're going back to that address). 

[zzzzz]

every time you MOVE to a different province and stay, Technically, you need do a NEW TM30.

this is needed so you can file ur 90 day report where ur living>
If you do 90 day reports online, an dont need use immigration, ( dont need a cor or new extension)   dont worry about new tm 30

[ubonjoe]

The TM30 report has become the primary means of reporting a change of your registered address that immigration has. It can be done by the owner, possessor or tenet.

The TM27 or TM28 form is seldom asked for now.

[Peter Denis]

21 hours ago, pbrock said:

I don't want to be dependent on the owner understanding and doing the TM30 requirement for my next visa extension. Somehow resolving this on my own in case any owner does not do it. I also want to avoid any fines and asking back any money from owners who fail to do TM30.

Hi, I did PM you a Guidance document on how to register on the IO TM-30 website allowing you to file your own TM-30 on-line (as well as those of any of the foreign guests staying at your place).

No need to visit local IO if doing so.

[pbrock]

34 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Hi, I did PM you a Guidance document on how to register on the IO TM-30 website allowing you to file your own TM-30 on-line (as well as those of any of the foreign guests staying at your place).

No need to visit local IO if doing so.

Thanks a lot. Could you please consider posting this (in a new forum thread) for wide discussion?

Do you think online reporting TM30 is more straight forward, has a higher chance of success than in person TM30 reporting?

When doing online reporting, one won't be able to acquire a TM30 paper receipt of notification?

 

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Note: TM30 compliance is ONLY checked when you visit your local IO for a service that requires your address data (e.g. an extension of stay, residence permit, etc.).  So, when you have guests staying at your place that will not visit the Immigration Office to apply for an extension of stay, there is no actual need to file a TM30 of them staying at your place.

...this I would like to be discussed.

Even if not checked, technically we wouldn't be in compliance?

 

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1. register on behalf of the owner (which can be yourself) > In that case you need to upload a scan of the house-book and a signed front-back copy of the owner's ID-card. 

Right, if house-book is provided, that might work. I can imagine cases where the owner does not have house-book handy, then promises to follow up with it soon, but never doing that. Therefore this method is probably not bulletproof.

 

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2. register as tenant > in that case a copy of the rental contract, a copy of your passport ID-page and (if possible) a copy of the house-book, can also be used.

This option is more interesting. This might even work with a non-cooperating owner?

 

Suppose it was a monthly airbnb booking. Would the printout of an airbnb booking without anything else (owner id card, house book, power of attorney) suffice to successfully file a TM30?