taxexile Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Thailand gets new cyber crime law The chief immediate effect of the new bill will be to outlaw any attempt to get around government censors to access any of the tens of thousands of sites censored for moral or political purposes, or "to damage the country". The government pushed the new law by saying it hopes the bill will provide an effective legal tool to fight cyber crime, including theft of data and chatroom contacts that lead to rape. -Bangkok Post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy1308 Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 Does anyone know if Thailand the first country to enact these kind of laws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John K Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 If there is any truth to this then they have just effectively challenged every computer hacker on the planet. Look out Thailand here it comes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominique355 Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 So their main concern is not really fighting criminality in the Internet, but circumventing the censorship. Shame! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimsKnight Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 I really thought it was only Toxins TRT party that came out with this anti internet crap. I can see they created the monster and the junta folk just want to make it grow and grow! They obviously now know the ways and means to get around their oppressive laws, but can they detect and trace to the source of IP routing, its hard, even for the ISPs to detect. So I say bring it on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy1308 Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 It means more jobs - for the thousands of people that will need to be employed to administer the records and keep track of every single IP address of every single user. Is the technology here even capable of that right now? Correct me if I am wrong, but let's say someone posts and anti-Thai message on a forum of a US-based website. Thailand is seriously going to demand the IP address and details of that user .. and then what? Extradite them, charge them, jail them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiAmerican Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 From the Bangkokpost article: Penalties apply to all illegal acts using the internet, including those carried out abroad and deemed to "damage the country both directly and indirectly". Does anyone know if the law defined illegal acts "deemed to "damage the country both directly and indirectly""? If it is like so many of Thailand's laws and left up to the individual officials this could be as bad as China's censorship laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxexile Posted May 10, 2007 Author Share Posted May 10, 2007 if a poster on thai visa posted comments about the government that were less than complimentary and deemed to be defamatory , and the cyber police came knocking on georges door asking for the identity of the poster , what is the thai visa policy regarding this ? would thai visa divulge the ip address of the poster ? ..... what is international law on this matter ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy1308 Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 From the Bangkokpost article:Penalties apply to all illegal acts using the internet, including those carried out abroad and deemed to "damage the country both directly and indirectly". Does anyone know if the law defined illegal acts "deemed to "damage the country both directly and indirectly""? If it is like so many of Thailand's laws and left up to the individual officials this could be as bad as China's censorship laws. I agree. As it stands it would make writing anything considered by 'someone' to be damaging or defamatory to Thailand a serious crime - wherever they are in the world. We need to see exactly what the law says - but I fear the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai Dee Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 if a poster on thai visa posted comments about the government that were less than complimentaryand deemed to be defamatory , and the cyber police came knocking on georges door asking for the identity of the poster , what is the thai visa policy regarding this ? would thai visa divulge the ip address of the poster ? ..... what is international law on this matter ? From the Forum Rules: We respects the privacy of all our visitors, members and clients. Any known information is kept strictly confidential. No information is ever sold or knowingly given out to any third party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxexile Posted May 10, 2007 Author Share Posted May 10, 2007 We respects the privacy of all our visitors, members and clients. Any known information is kept strictly confidential. No information is ever sold or knowingly given out to any third party. thanks jd ,but would those rules still hold if the third party threatened to block the site in thailand unless the information requested was not forthcoming ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ovenman Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 As it stands it would make writing anything considered by 'someone' to be damaging or defamatory to Thailand a serious crime - wherever they are in the world. We need to see exactly what the law says - but I fear the worst. I suppose this is the law under which YouTube gets sued/prosecuted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galong Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 if a poster on thai visa posted comments about the government that were less than complimentaryand deemed to be defamatory , and the cyber police came knocking on georges door asking for the identity of the poster , what is the thai visa policy regarding this ? would thai visa divulge the ip address of the poster ? ..... what is international law on this matter ? From the Forum Rules: We respects the privacy of all our visitors, members and clients. Any known information is kept strictly confidential. No information is ever sold or knowingly given out to any third party. OK, but what if you were threatened with legal action? Maybe T'land can become the censorship hub of SE Asia next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiAmerican Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 (edited) Don't know if this is a case of bad reporting or a real problem? "The bill regards as a crime the intention to withhold internet protocol (IP) addresses" Who decides if someone has the intention to withhold an IP address? If someone can be charged without actually committing an offense this law will set put Thailand on a par with China and Burma. Edited May 10, 2007 by ChiangMaiAmerican Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxexile Posted May 10, 2007 Author Share Posted May 10, 2007 "The bill regards as a crime the intention to withhold internet protocol (IP) addresses" that would mean that using proxies to access banned sites is now illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai Dee Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 We respects the privacy of all our visitors, members and clients. Any known information is kept strictly confidential. No information is ever sold or knowingly given out to any third party. thanks jd ,but would those rules still hold if the third party threatened to block the site in thailand unless the information requested was not forthcoming ? You'd have to get an official admin response on that, but I'm pretty sure that admin would not succumb to that kind of pressure. There have been cases in the past where ThaiVisa has been threatened with legal action to release the private details (IP address, email account etc.) for some posters on the forum, and this has not happened. That's also why there is a Limit of Liability section in the Rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baabaabobo Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 All together now - "one step forward three steps back, one step forward three steps back" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailand Traveler Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 All together now - "one step forward three steps back, one step forward three steps back" rumors say "we got another year of INTERNET USE, then no more". It is the only way for the country to regain a cultural control from foreigner influence. Expect an overall ban on all foregneir websites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjallittle Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 Does anyone know if Thailand the first country to enact these kind of laws? Thailand has had some form of this before now, but is hardly alone in their attempt to oversee their computer users. See many more of these, including descriptions of the degree to which this is employed in other countries: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevykanteve Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 If this continues, we may all have to start resorting to Cockney rhyme-slang in our forum communications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJack Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 I used to be an IT teacher and students are taught programing. The first thing they try out is circumventing the "system" Some are good at it and get better later on in life The point is that the system is more than easy to get around Posting info deemed to be unacceptable - lets hope that its innocent until proven guilty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiksilva Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 (edited) Kind of expected this from the ICT minister who "doesn't find the internet interesting". Expect internet cafe's will do more business now... Edited May 10, 2007 by quiksilva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddyholly1 Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 "The bill regards as a crime the intention to withhold internet protocol (IP) addresses" that would mean that using proxies to access banned sites is now illegal. A blogger in China is in jail for writing things the government did not like. He was traced with the help of info provided to the Chinese by Yahoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevykanteve Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 Kind of expected this from the ICT minister who "doesn't find the internet interesting". Expect internet cafe's will do more business now... Good Point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeebusjones Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 (edited) How will they know if someone is using a proxy? Is it really that easy for them to find out? Edited May 10, 2007 by jeebusjones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMSOBAD Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 NO WORRIES...I heard the same LEGAL EAGLES in charge of DRUNK MOTORCYCLE TAXIS...REBULIDING SUKHUMVIT SIDEWALKS...ANTI PROSTITUTION...and LAWS REQUIRING TAXI DRIVERS TO PICK YOU UP AND TAKE YOU WHERE YOU WANT TO GO.... is the same enforcement team for the cyber police. ALL TALK...NO ACTION. Soon they will have a new law about what people are thinking. That will give them a new ESPOLICE. I love democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 I guess typing in an IP number is now illegal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananaman Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 Dear God, what is this country coming to? So now when if I use one of those "ways of circumventing censorship" to view a site that they feel is unsuitable for me, i'm to expect a knock-knock on the door from the old dam ruad? Unbelievable! I can't seriously imagine though how they intend to police this thing. There must be thousands if not millions of internet users in this country that use pr*xies to access banned sites; do they really have the technology infrastructure and the manpower to bring all those offenders to justice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewfritz Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 Laws don't mean a ###### thing unless they can be enforced. I don't see how the government thinks they can enforce this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobi Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 And only yesterday someone sneered at me in another thread for having the temerity to suggest that Thailand was going backwards..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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