Agusts Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Yes, answer...."Honda dealer" , but when I ask for spare parts at various dealers they pick a price out of thin air that includes installation. I say I want to take it home, not installed here, they say; "same price...!?!? " Is that normal....? I know they want to make money, but shouldn't they also just supply spare parts if required...! I can see the correct prices from here (add +7% vat): https://pec.aphonda.co.th/Default.aspx But can't order online from there, just get a PDF to print and take to dealer...! (That website is a bit tricky but very accurate and useful once you learn how to use it...). Now everyone has his own favourite online trader or shop that swears to sell 100% genuine part (many on Lazada and Shopee etc., that I have been using sometime ), but I hear there are grade A copies with all the logo and Honda red sticker and part number and so on that is very hard to identify as copy....! (I've been shown two brake pads next to each other, one copy one genuine, damn identical...., my friend has also seen this for Yamaha too... Now some things don't really matter, but something like a belt copy or spak plug copy is bad news and can leave you stranded. Before you say let dealer change it, I can't stand them, I like to use the mechanic I know who let me observe and even check things for myself to make sure all done correctly and as I want - and more importantly listens to me, unlike Honda mechanic Gods...! ???? (By the way, this is not about Big Wing department, I have no experience with them, it's Forza and that goes with the same small bikes section...!). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 I believe you are over thinking? I used to go to Honda Sukumvit 71 in BKK. I just bought parts across the counter. No mention of installing. I bought some CVT parts for a Wave I don't even own! All in stock. Belt was 355 baht as an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agusts Posted February 8, 2021 Author Share Posted February 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, VocalNeal said: I believe you are over thinking? I used to go to Honda Sukumvit 71 in BKK. I just bought parts across the counter. No mention of installing. I bought some CVT parts for a Wave I don't even own! All in stock. Belt was 355 baht as an example. Yes, many people don't realize what's going on, one or two item not a big deal, you buy 10 parts they add 100 or 200b on top, and they make a nice little sum....! Forza belt from parts website is 1215b, plus 7% tax is 1300b, I asked two dealers here in Phuket, one 1600b, another 1500b, and that is if you take home or change there... , no difference..., this markup is on all their parts ...! Tell me what belt you bought I check the price on that website, Wave has no CVT or belt, it's chain-driven... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Agusts said: Wave has no CVT or belt, it's chain-driven... Item 1 Part # 231-KWZ-901 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agusts Posted February 8, 2021 Author Share Posted February 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, VocalNeal said: Item 1 Part # 231-KWZ-901 Sorry, I never knew Waves also come in automatic with CVT, never seen one before, I thought all were semi-automatic....! Anyway, so that Honda dealer sold you a belt 355b and didn't charge you for installation (in Thai they translate this to "wages" ) or didn't even charge the 7% vat tax...!!! (the price from website is 355b excluding tax)....!? ???? You definitely got a keeper there, not so over here in Phuket and for Forza, I will try a few more dealers, but so far in the last 2 years hadn't had one to offer parts without markup.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Powerphuket.com Webike.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agusts Posted February 8, 2021 Author Share Posted February 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, Kwasaki said: Powerphuket.com Webike.net 23100-K04-931 Forza Belt should be 1300b + delivery: Powerphuket.com. 1915b Thai.Webike.net. 6189b I hope you don't shop from these guys too much...???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Agusts said: or didn't even charge the 7% vat tax...!!! (the price from website is 355b excluding tax)....!? I paid the 7% on the bill total or 69 Baht. As I also bought a pulley, some weights and a boss. I would pay the 1500 baht and be done with it. If someone in Bangkok bought it for you it would cost at least 100 baht EMS to Phuket making it 1400. You are getting all concerned over 100 Baht. You could ride to Songhkla and find out how much they are there. OR buy it on lazada (argh did I just say that) Edited February 8, 2021 by VocalNeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canthai55 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 13 minutes ago, Agusts said: Thai.Webike.net. 6189b WeBike is the biggest rip-off I have come across for prices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agusts Posted February 8, 2021 Author Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 minute ago, canthai55 said: WeBike is the biggest rip-off I have come across for prices I think they shipping it from Japan... !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackdd Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) Ask at some motorbike repair shops where they get their parts, I assume every city has their main distributor where most of the small shops buy their parts. Udon Thani: https://goo.gl/maps/Dn1ZaG4zLJfiKFAT9 Chiang Mai: https://goo.gl/maps/s4xqak3xeAQdErvR9 Usually you can choose between the OEM part and a copy. I just don't know where such a shop is in Phuket, but most likely it exists. Edited February 8, 2021 by jackdd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agusts Posted February 8, 2021 Author Share Posted February 8, 2021 20 minutes ago, VocalNeal said: I paid the 7% on the bill total or 69 Baht. As I also bought a pulley, some weights and a boss. I would pay the 1500 baht and be done with it. If someone in Bangkok bought it for you it would cost at least 100 baht EMS to Phuket making it 1400. You are getting all concerned over 100 Baht. You could ride to Songhkla and find out how much they are there. OR buy it on lazada (argh did I just say that) Not just 100b, not just one item, I have a long list of 10 or more items for regular servicing etc, that comes to like 4000b incl. tax (Forza not a big bike, but expensive parts), from dealer this is like 5500b..., and repeated every year...! I have been buying from Lazada with those with many good reviews and long time selling there, items look good, buy hearing about this grade A copies got me worried.... Probably still buy things like air/oil filter from them, but maybe get belt and plug from dealer and asked to install it with included price... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agusts Posted February 8, 2021 Author Share Posted February 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, jackdd said: Ask at some motorbike repair shops where they get their parts, I assume every city has their main distributor where most of the small shops buy their parts. Udon Thani: https://goo.gl/maps/Dn1ZaG4zLJfiKFAT9 Chiang Mai: https://goo.gl/maps/s4xqak3xeAQdErvR9 Usually you can choose between the OEM part and a copy. I just don't know where such a shop is in Phuket, but most likely it exists. Yes, exactly, that's what I'm really after, in Phuket... I noticed when something small is needed, the mechanic jumps on the bike and go get it for me, when I ask did you go to the dealer, says no, another shop...., but he dodge to answer where....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Agusts said: 23100-K04-931 Forza Belt should be 1300b + delivery: Powerphuket.com. 1915b Thai.Webike.net. 6189b I hope you don't shop from these guys too much...???? No !! I only saw you can buy on-line from them. I would think your only choice is finding decent Honda dealer our APS Honda dealership in Sukhothai is very fair and helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canthai55 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 I always order right from the parts counter at the Honda dealership. Come armed with the part number, they check it, give me a price, I pay then get a LINE when parts arrive Painless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlover Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, VocalNeal said: 1 hour ago, Agusts said: Wave has no CVT or belt, it's chain-driven... 2 hours ago, VocalNeal said: Item 1 Part # 231-KWZ-901 This diagram shows the primary drive belt, from the crack shaft to the clutch. Final drive is by chain. Edited February 8, 2021 by Moonlover Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 15 minutes ago, Agusts said: Forza belt from parts website is 1215b, plus 7% tax is 1300b, I asked two dealers here in Phuket, one 1600b, another 1500b, and that is if you take home or change there... , no difference..., this markup is on all their parts ...! Heard before that Honda Phuket costs more than Honda Sukumvit 71 in BKK. Shocking.!! So sorry for your trials, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agusts Posted February 8, 2021 Author Share Posted February 8, 2021 5 hours ago, Moonlover said: This diagram shows the primary drive belt, from the crack shaft to the clutch. Final drive is by chain. Yes, I noticed that too, a bit off topic but what's the point of this design, two things to maintain, CVT and chain, double the service and maintenance and parts etc. ....!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlover Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 19 minutes ago, Agusts said: Yes, I noticed that too, a bit off topic but what's the point of this design, two things to maintain, CVT and chain, double the service and maintenance and parts etc. ....!? They don't have CVT. The Wave has a conventional 4 speed manual gear change with automatic clutch operation. Very useful when gabbing on the mobile phone. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agusts Posted February 8, 2021 Author Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Moonlover said: They don't have CVT. The Wave has a conventional 4 speed manual gear change with automatic clutch operation. Very useful when gabbing on the mobile phone. ???? How often need to change that belt on Wave..., is it same as on conventional CVT...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jackdd Posted February 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Agusts said: Yes, I noticed that too, a bit off topic but what's the point of this design, two things to maintain, CVT and chain, double the service and maintenance and parts etc. ....!? A "normal" (as in 99.9% of what you see on the street) Honda Wave doesn't have a belt. The poster has a fully automatic Honda Wave, which were sold in Thailand only in 2010. He did of course not mention this detail... when he purchased the belt the dealer was probably happy to get rid of this part which he had lying around for 10 years, so an actual discount on the list price would not have been too surprising. Edited February 8, 2021 by jackdd 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 46 minutes ago, jackdd said: fully automatic Honda Wave, which were sold in Thailand only in 2010. ... more expensive ... poorer fuel economy ... chain to maintain. Worst of all worlds. Looked nice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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