Elderly Dane Found Murdered In His Home

[sriracha john]

This photo is the portrait of Paul During

taken from his Thai drivers license.

71 Year Old Dane Murdered in Chiangmai

CHIANG MAI: -- A 71 year old Danish resident of Chiang Mai in Northern Thailand, Paul During, was on 25 May 2007 found murdered in his home.

The Dane was found by the neighbours who earlier in the day had heard him fight with a woman, possibly a former girlfriend who had apparantly come back to ask for a car, he had bought in her name.

The body of the Dane was found in his one story house in Tatan south of the city centre near the Ping River which he had rented for the past three years.

He was found naked near the door to the terrace with a broken nose and the back of his neck was swollen. There was sign of blood in the house an there was blood and hair on a walking stick, which the police has taken as evidence.

Police Officer Tennik Jansee from ChangPeuk police station in Chaingmai investigated the murdered said that there was also a hole in the door of the Dane's bedroom and the keyhole was damaged.

The Nissan pick-up truck was found parked in the garage unlock, the cabinet in the front of the car was open. The police checked the license and the car belongs to Anong Chaiyawut, 52 years from Chiangmai.

According to neighbors the Dane has been living in this house for about three years with Anong and bought her the car. Later, Anong broke up with him and move in with another foreigner. After that, the Dane brought a woman named .June to live in the house with him. Before the incident, June had gone back to visit her birthplace and it was during her absence, that Anong came by and asked for the keys to the car. But the Dane refused to give it to her and they could hear they had a fight about this before there was suddenly silence.

The neighbor found it strange and went in to see and found the Dane lying naked on the floor, dead.

The police suspects that the Dane was murdered by the girl with whom he was fighting. Then he was hit by the stick and he fell on the ground, hit the floor with his head which caused his death. The woman then tried to find the car's key but couldn't find it so she ran away.

The investigation team has collected all the finger prints as evidence and the forensic confirms that the Dane did not die by natural cause. But the body needs to be examined in more details to determine if he was murdered or died by hitting the floor.

The police was able to bring in Anong for questioning. She denies any involvcement in the death of her ex-husband. She was later released while the police awaits the forensic report in order to be able to to make an arrest based on solid evidence.

- Scandasia 2007-05-26

[farang prince]

Tragic.

[mogoso]

The investigation team has collected all the finger prints as evidence and the forensic confirms that the Dane did not die by natural cause. But the body needs to be examined in more details to determine if he was murdered or died by hitting the floor.

Wait a minute, theres hair and blood found on a walking stick, he falls and hits his head on the floor as a result of being bludgeoned, yet theres a question of whether or not he was murdered?

Probably go down as another suicide, there wasn't a balconey to fall off of, but conviently the floor was hard.

RIP and condolances to his family.

[Steely Dan]

Yet another case of whats yours is mine or you die. I hope the Police don't bungle the forensics and what's with releasing a murder suspect???? My condolences to the family of the deceased.

[marginline]

The police was able to bring in Anong for questioning. She denies any involvcement in the death of her ex-husband. She was later released while the police awaits the forensic report in order to be able to to make an arrest based on solid evidence.

- Scandasia

This is absolutely bloody disgraceful, had the Thai wife been found dead on the floor instead of Mr. During, I'm ###### sure that he would not have been released pending the forensic report.

[LaReina]

So let me get this straight... if I get shooved off the 10th story of a building, and say I die. The cause of death will be ruled, that I hit my head on the concrete and thus died? But the fact that someone caused me to hit my head will not be labeled as murder??

######.. who needs a hit man..

[lazeeboy]

So let me get this straight... if I get shooved off the 10th story of a building, and say I die. The cause of death will be ruled, that I hit my head on the concrete and thus died? But the fact that someone caused me to hit my head will not be labeled as murder??

######.. who needs a hit man..

theres no need to put a car in a thai name anymore,but is that really the case,or are the police just presuming thats what happened

[sriracha john]

Saddening that there's no local or national coverage of this news.

Getting reports only from the other side of the world about news in Thailand's second largest city, Chiang Mai, is frustrating.

[byeth]

what is amazing is he was apparently hit on the face and since he had the back of the neck swollen too he was probably hit there as well; still the report talks about the stick hitting him (maybe the stick should be put to prison) and that he fell on the floor. It sounds rather like he was first hit at the front and then a second time at the back of the neck. Horrible . This reminds me the case of the German who, a few months ago and while still waiting trial, was found dead in his cell with his hands tied behind his back and a sock down his throat and the authorities said it was suicide. How can you put a sock down your throat if you have (managed to) tie your hands behind your back? amazing

[The Vulcan]

This is absolutely bloody disgraceful, had the Thai wife been found dead on the floor instead of Mr. During, I'm ###### sure that he would not have been released pending the forensic report.

Seconded - but typical

[eek]

I always see Chiang Mai as a fairly safe place to live, i imagine (hope) this kind of thing is rare here..or maybe i am naive.

Regardless, this is very sad indeed. Condolences to his family and those who knew him.

Edited May 27, 2007 by eek

[larvidchr]

Poul During RIP.

[meibanfa]

It is curious how murdered farangs are often found naked, and this includes the balcony "suicides". Conventional wisdom suggests that the police will think a naked farang had been doing something immoral or illicit, if found without clothes, and they will subsequently tend to dismiss the importance of the case. What percentage of people in the west die by suicide from balcony jumping, especially sans clothes?

[lor]

As much as I try to love this country and the people, and accept the Thai way of life, it is cases like this that get me fuming! As everyone has said so far how can they release the murderer when the neighbours heard her with the victim. They even heard what they were arguing about. This seems to be the normal Thai way of "It was only a Farang so his murder by a Thai is not that important".

If eventually the police are forced to act they will say that the murderer has left the village and they cannot find her. This happens far too many times! Why are Farangs treated as dirt in this country?

Chris

[meibanfa]

As much as I try to love this country and the people, and accept the Thai way of life, it is cases like this that get me fuming! As everyone has said so far how can they release the murderer when the neighbours heard her with the victim. They even heard what they were arguing about. This seems to be the normal Thai way of "It was only a Farang so his murder by a Thai is not that important".

If eventually the police are forced to act they will say that the murderer has left the village and they cannot find her. This happens far too many times! Why are Farangs treated as dirt in this country?

Chris

It might have something to do with economics. If the true numbers of farang murders were to be disclosed, and reported internationally, you can imagine the effect that would have on the highly lucrative tourist industry.

[chinadarling]

***But the body needs to be examined in more details to determine if he was murdered or died by hitting the floor.***

If you hit somebody with a stick and they hit the floor and die it is murder. What part of this is unclear?

So by corrolory...you push someone off the balcony is not murder as you did not kill them the fall did...

[alexth]

RIP. Very sad indeed. As for Khun Anong, that Nissan should do the trick for her release and innocence

[Kaojai]

So let me get this straight... if I get shooved off the 10th story of a building, and say I die. The cause of death will be ruled, that I hit my head on the concrete and thus died? But the fact that someone caused me to hit my head will not be labeled as murder??

######.. who needs a hit man..

The person who wrote the news article obviously has a good, but limited ability with English. Still it says :"The police suspects that the Dane was murdered by the girl with whom he was fighting. "

The bit that follows was poorly written, but it clearly states that she is suspected of murdering him.

It doesn't matter whether a Thai is suspected of murdering or attacking a farang, or a farang is believed to have murdered or attacked a Thai... On the ThaiVisa message board the Thai will automatically be guilty based on nothing more than a poorly written, second hand news article (and often even less evidence than that) and the farang will always be the victim or else he will have been justified in what he did because of provocation.

Of course On TV, almost all the articles reported involve Thai on farang violence. The daily reports in Pattaya of farang violence seem not to be newsworthy.

Why not more stories like this:

A young Scottish national was drunk and driving a Honda Jazz car around Pattaya on 1st April. At approximately 3.30 am he hit a Thai man who works as a garbage collector leaving the man scarred for life.

The Dongtan police received a report early on Sunday morning from staff from a 7-Eleven stores on Jomtien Beach Soi 13 that an accident between a car and a local garbage truck occurred in front of the store and there was someone seriously injured at the scene.

On arrival the team found that the Honda Jazz car, driven by drunken Mr. Gordon James McCarry, aged 24, from Scotland, smashed into the rear of the garbage truck when the injured was standing behind the truck collecting garbage.

The injured man was crying in pain. He is aged around 50 and could not give any statement other than cry. Both his legs were chopped off from the hit and he had lost a lot of blood. The team had to quickly bandage his legs together and sent him to the hospital.

As for McCarry; he could not give any statement either since he was completely drunk. The officers measured up to 211 milligrams percent in him, which is way over the limit of 50 milligrams according to Thai law.

Probably the response would be that the garbage collector was not collecting garbage in a farang approved manner.

In the proper TV style, I'll speculate that McCarry's family bought his way out of this by giving the poor man's family some pittance. I don't know that that's true, but making wild accusations based on personal prejudices is sure fun, isn't it?

[dotcom]

She was later released.

Nice work Inspector Wallop.

[marshall]

what is amazing is he was apparently hit on the face and since he had the back of the neck swollen too he was probably hit there as well; still the report talks about the stick hitting him (maybe the stick should be put to prison) and that he fell on the floor. It sounds rather like he was first hit at the front and then a second time at the back of the neck. Horrible . This reminds me the case of the German who, a few months ago and while still waiting trial, was found dead in his cell with his hands tied behind his back and a sock down his throat and the authorities said it was suicide. How can you put a sock down your throat if you have (managed to) tie your hands behind your back? amazing

why dont we send a post to all the farang newspapers and tv stations back home and try and generate some coverage about this incident. and maybe not so much farang incidents will get swept down that big black hole.

i feel for the poor guy and his family.

[LaReina]

Kaojai: I think you are being a wee bit unfair to TV posters. I have read many a response of posters at the disgust of all the perverts that have settled in thailand and the bad representation that some westerners have impacted on the thai society.

Most TV posters have no problems equally slamming anyone who is guilty of a crime.

[byeth]

On McCarry there is the difference between willfully murdering someone or killing someone by mistake, even if you are drunk. Also it makes a difference how the police react. Probably the most important for us farangs is we do not feel totally secure here, personally at least I don't. This is one reason I decided to leave

[John1012]

As much as I try to love this country and the people, and accept the Thai way of life, it is cases like this that get me fuming! As everyone has said so far how can they release the murderer when the neighbours heard her with the victim. They even heard what they were arguing about. This seems to be the normal Thai way of "It was only a Farang so his murder by a Thai is not that important".

If eventually the police are forced to act they will say that the murderer has left the village and they cannot find her. This happens far too many times! Why are Farangs treated as dirt in this country?

Chris

I am a relative newcomer to Thailand, unfortunately I committed myself to invest before I realised that Farangs are sub-human, and thais are human. This seems to be the view of a considerable number those in power , at quite a few levels. I have , however met an awful lot of educated and uneducated, but not influential, thais who wonder where the country is going and why Farangs are treated in such a digusting way. It is naked, in your face, racialism . A parallel with Medieval Europe can be seen. Enough said in case I get my visa revoked. I wonder what would happen if the EU , US , Australia & New Zealand had the balls to offer reciprical treatment to Thai citizens, re property, visa's, human rights etc. It is difficult to write exactly what I think, and probably what many others think, in case I breach the new laws

[John1012]

So let me get this straight... if I get shooved off the 10th story of a building, and say I die. The cause of death will be ruled, that I hit my head on the concrete and thus died? But the fact that someone caused me to hit my head will not be labeled as murder??

######.. who needs a hit man..

The person who wrote the news article obviously has a good, but limited ability with English. Still it says :"The police suspects that the Dane was murdered by the girl with whom he was fighting. "

The bit that follows was poorly written, but it clearly states that she is suspected of murdering him.

It doesn't matter whether a Thai is suspected of murdering or attacking a farang, or a farang is believed to have murdered or attacked a Thai... On the ThaiVisa message board the Thai will automatically be guilty based on nothing more than a poorly written, second hand news article (and often even less evidence than that) and the farang will always be the victim or else he will have been justified in what he did because of provocation.

Of course On TV, almost all the articles reported involve Thai on farang violence. The daily reports in Pattaya of farang violence seem not to be newsworthy.

Why not more stories like this:

A young Scottish national was drunk and driving a Honda Jazz car around Pattaya on 1st April. At approximately 3.30 am he hit a Thai man who works as a garbage collector leaving the man scarred for life.

The Dongtan police received a report early on Sunday morning from staff from a 7-Eleven stores on Jomtien Beach Soi 13 that an accident between a car and a local garbage truck occurred in front of the store and there was someone seriously injured at the scene.

On arrival the team found that the Honda Jazz car, driven by drunken Mr. Gordon James McCarry, aged 24, from Scotland, smashed into the rear of the garbage truck when the injured was standing behind the truck collecting garbage.

The injured man was crying in pain. He is aged around 50 and could not give any statement other than cry. Both his legs were chopped off from the hit and he had lost a lot of blood. The team had to quickly bandage his legs together and sent him to the hospital.

As for McCarry; he could not give any statement either since he was completely drunk. The officers measured up to 211 milligrams percent in him, which is way over the limit of 50 milligrams according to Thai law.

Probably the response would be that the garbage collector was not collecting garbage in a farang approved manner.

In the proper TV style, I'll speculate that McCarry's family bought his way out of this by giving the poor man's family some pittance. I don't know that that's true, but making wild accusations based on personal prejudices is sure fun, isn't it?

I do hope that the young Scottish Man is now in prison and will remain there for a long time. I hate the bad image that some Farangs give, that sticks to the rest of us. There are an awful lot of Fat Useless Losers here, I try very hard to avoid them. You can see some of them riding about on Big Noisy ego boosting penus extending motor cycles, owning the road, intimidating normal citizens. I believe in in equality, honesty and justice. I detest corruption, inequality, injustice, the inability to deliver services as promised. What do you believe in?

[PuaSai]

Sorry to hear about this death. Any death is tragic.

I worked as a forensic autopsy technician in the States. When they perform an autopsy, Manner of Death and Cause of Death have to be determined for the death certificate and for legal proceedings. I don't know if it is the same in Thailand, but the findings of the medical investigation will be used when someone is charged with the crime.

[cuddleypete]

Very sad Condolences to his family

[twix38]

John1012,

Don't commit any more funds than you must, treat life here as simply benefitting from the advantages (cheap, sunshine, girls) and able to leave without loosing too much if one day it should be necessary.

The playing field is so anti-foreigner in all apsects of financial, social, and legal life that to move even 1 nest egg more than necessary from your home countries basket to Thailand is an unnecessary step too far.

Play them at their own game, as the more you either invest or gamble here the poorer you will eventually be in 95% of cases. Be clever.....think to yourself, if I was deported tomorrow could I live comfortably back home and could I accept the financial loss on assets and savings in Thailand? if the answer is always Yes, then you have it about right. I have a small foreign name condo and some savings in Thai Baht. No business and no wish to bring any more Pounds here. It's not easy to take them back or out of the country once bought in (Baht 50k max without a Tor Tor 3).

I would strongly advise anyone to wait and see reality before going head over heels bonkers. At every bend in the road there is a new reality or hoop to jump through. Clever people don't commit to Thailand, they just play here.

Edited May 27, 2007 by twix38

[StickKettleOn]

It simply reminds you (or it should do) what a stinking hel_l hole of a country this can be. Scratch beaneath that dopey bloody Thai smile and cheery 'mai pben rai' outlook, and you will find a nation teaming with low life scum.

The police, in releasing the murderer, have done so borne out of one of the following 'logical' reasons.

1) He died when he hit the floor, not when she hit him, so it is not murder.

2) He is an old ferang who didnt have too many years left anyway, so whats the point in locking up one of our fellow countrymen.

Make no mistake - these are the only two possible reasons, from the police point of view. Either reason makes you stick to the stomach. It makes me proud to be British; I prefer the harmless 'Brits Abroad' stereotype to the Thai way of life which is either farking stupid, or moral free. At least we detain our murderers back in the UK.

The irony of it is, had this poor Danish guy overstayed his visa by a few weeks, he would have been looking at a few months in prison. Some greedy bitch murders him, and she spends a few hours in prison, because she is Thai.

Well, you know what the Thai's say folks.... 'If he not here in first place, it never would have happen'

And so.... mai bpen rai.

RIP mate.

The Danish emabssy should send representatives to Chang Mai immediatley to demand answers as to why this murdering bitch has been freed.

[PuaSai]

***But the body needs to be examined in more details to determine if he was murdered or died by hitting the floor.***

If you hit somebody with a stick and they hit the floor and die it is murder. What part of this is unclear?

So by corrolory...you push someone off the balcony is not murder as you did not kill them the fall did...

The medical investigation is used to determine Manner of death, i.e. Blunt Force Trauma and Cause Of Death i.e. Homicide. Not to protect her, but say she hit the man, blunt force trauma, but she did not hit him hard enough or without intent to kill him, yet when he fell THAT action caused him to die it could change how the case is prosecuted. Sure, it is still a homicide which basically means a human killing another human, but it can help or hurt her court case based on her intent. Thats based on the law in the States. I don't know if is the same in Thailand.

If you accidently hit a pedestrian while driving and they die because of their injuries, in essence you killed someone. Would you want it automatically prosecuted as a homicide? In fact it is vehicular homicide, you killed another human or caused their death, yet accidentally. I know it sounds messed up, but thats how they write the laws. So, thats why they have an investigation and collect evidence to prosecute the case.

Edited May 27, 2007 by PuaSai

[PuaSai]

It simply reminds you (or it should do) what a stinking hel_l hole of a country this can be. Scratch beaneath that dopey bloody Thai smile and cheery 'mai pben rai' outlook, and you will find a nation teaming with low life scum.

The police, in releasing the murderer, have done so borne out of one of the following 'logical' reasons.

1) He died when he hit the floor, not when she hit him, so it is not murder.

2) He is an old ferang who didnt have too many years left anyway, so whats the point in locking up one of our fellow countrymen.

Make no mistake - these are the only two possible reasons, from the police point of view. Either reason makes you stick to the stomach. It makes me proud to be British; I prefer the harmless 'Brits Abroad' stereotype to the Thai way of life which is either farking stupid, or moral free. At least we detain our murderers back in the UK.

The irony of it is, had this poor Danish guy overstayed his visa by a few weeks, he would have been looking at a few months in prison. Some greedy bitch murders him, and she spends a few hours in prison, because she is Thai.

Well, you know what the Thai's say folks.... 'If he not here in first place, it never would have happen'

And so.... mai bpen rai.

RIP mate.

The Danish emabssy should send representatives to Chang Mai immediatley to demand answers as to why this murdering bitch has been freed.

EVERY COUNTRY can be a stinking hel_l hole Mate. To include Britain. Why label the country for things a small number do? Thats racisim at its best. Not in good taste.