Air conditioning

[Seeall]

Air conditioning

My fist post... looked for hours not sure if in correct section.. hope ok thank..

 

 

Hey all, I have been on this for about one week now..  any tips would be most helpful:

 

Most A/C installers her in Phuket  seem to have very expensive units for sale (yes I can google) but I would like to have an installer that

Is more than a gardener with R32 and a shifter..

 

1/ Here’s the twist : we have a massive wall cabinet so want to either spend on a cassette (ceiling install, which are double the price) to get the unit OFF the wall

Or

Hang a new spit system in front of the curtain covering sliding doors to the balcony. Which means a kind of backing plate, so need to attached it through the ceiling to the cement (low roof condo)

 

2/ We have a room we want make 2 normal sized rooms, now there are wardrobes dividing and shared air, but when rooms are built will need a dual head (2 outlets one compressor) but they seem rare and

Very expensive here for some reason… so I guess 2 x 9k btu and 2 lumpy compressors on the small balcony like the flintstones…

 

3/ also have  2 x 45 M2 studios that need new A/C .. thinking the promotinals BEKO can handle it….   At least when the air struggles when the animals (oh , I ment guests) leave the doors open to the balcony smoking and its not cooling they might consider

Closing the doors (I wish there was a sliding door sensor that turns off the A/C when doors open…

 

So in summary needed:

 

1/ An installer in Phuket who can think outside the box and not rip me off… I don’t mind paying a bit more than other sellers but…

 

2/ Hardware: All copper , inverter and long warranty (eminent compressor copper is 10 years… double of daikin.. I find that interesting)

 

1 x cassette 12000 – 24000 BTU

 

3 x 12000 BTU splits

 

2 x 9000 BTU for the new bedrooms (or my dream of a dual head unit)

 

Thanks all, and stay safe, thanks so much…  live well and happy all..

[Kwasaki]

Don't really understand what your at, seems like you know a lot already. 

All I would say is go look at Global house for air-cons if you buy from them they can arrange an installer. 

 

[VocalNeal]

There are many hi-end houses in Phuket maybe even some over the over the top  condos. Your challenge is to find the high-end AC installer. 

As you know "conventional" AC are hung 200mm from the ceiling so as yours is a low ceiling condo you are kind of stuck.

Can you find out who the architect was for your building? 

What have your neighbors done? 

I think you'll have to get out on the street and visit every AC supplier you can find.

[Seeall]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

Don't really understand what your at, seems like you know a lot already. 

All I would say is go look at Global house for air-cons if you buy from them they can arrange an installer. 

 

Global house chalong phuket is the worst service ever...   want last month buy angle grinder.. 10 of them mess about on computer and phone no idea...   I went homepro...  good service, prommo.. DONE

[Seeall]

Just now, Seeall said:

Global house chalong phuket is the worst service ever...   want last month buy angle grinder.. 10 of them mess about on computer and phone no idea...   I went homepro...  good service, prommo.. DONE

had their dude come look.. nearly double local price... waste of space...

[Seeall]

1 minute ago, Seeall said:

had their dude come look.. nearly double local price... waste of space...

thai wasadu have prmo on 12k btu inverter and normal very good, but cant talk to instsaller... <deleted>????

[sometimewoodworker]

 Ignore all the Global House, DoHome, Thai Watsadu, HomeHub, HomePro etc suggestions you need to go to a shop that specialises in AC and does it’s own install as your install is not a standard screw it to the wall job. You need a specialist job and a specialist shop that doesn’t sub its installs is required. 
 

Everyone who is suggesting the big box stores has a standard fitting that any, even half, competent installer should be able to do. So that’s what they got and it’s good enough.

[Yellowtail]

I love the cassette units, and unless you are on a tight budget, they are well worth the extra dough, but you do need to have either a high ceiling, a big crawl-space or ideally both.

 

If you do go with the wall-mounts, there is no reason you have to mount them on exterior walls. While it's easiest, if you have a decent installer, they can put the units most anywhere. 

 

The multi-splits are nice and while they are getting popular in the US they do not seem have much market share here yet.

 

When you check the warranties  make sure you understand what they cover. Usually the ten-years is only on the compressor, which rarely needs replacing. 

 

I like Carrier products, and they have a wide range and a good website. 

 

Modern Air has a great website for comparing brands and prices.

 

[Seeall]

6 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

I love the cassette units, and unless you are on a tight budget, they are well worth the extra dough, but you do need to have either a high ceiling, a big crawl-space or ideally both.

 

If you do go with the wall-mounts, there is no reason you have to mount them on exterior walls. While it's easiest, if you have a decent installer, they can put the units most anywhere. 

 

The multi-splits are nice and while they are getting popular in the US they do not seem have much market share here yet.

 

When you check the warranties  make sure you understand what they cover. Usually the ten-years is only on the compressor, which rarely needs replacing. 

 

I like Carrier products, and they have a wide range and a good website. 

 

Modern Air has a great website for comparing brands and prices.

 

at over double the price why do you like them so much? and install 15k vs 2k for a split....   thanks for your opinions

[Yellowtail]

18 hours ago, Seeall said:

at over double the price why do you like them so much? and install 15k vs 2k for a split....   thanks for your opinions

Again, if money's tight, it's not a great option. I have seven air-conditioners in my home and only one is a cassette. 

 

Advantages: 

Prop-fan rather than wheel-fan in the evaporator (quieter and more efficient) 

Fan in the evaporator never gets wet (coil goes years without needing to be cleaned) 

Filter is bigger (requires cleaning much less frequently) 

Filter is oriented horizontally and is higher (less dust) 

Return air is generally drawn from the center of the ceiling (more efficient, , improved circulation) 

Conditioned air is generally distributed equally about the perimeter of the room (more effective cooling, improved circulation) 

Conditioned are can generally be directed in 1, 2, 3 or 4 directions

Condensate is pumped out rather than relying on gravity ("drain" never clogs)

 

Disadvantages:

Cost

Have to stand on something to remove filter

 

 

 

 

 

 

[sometimewoodworker]

18 hours ago, Seeall said:

at over double the price why do you like them so much? and install 15k vs 2k for a split....   thanks for your opinions

The cassette is far less obtrusive than any split, directs the fan in 4 directions at once has a better fan and filter to match the airflow directions you need 4 splits not 2

[Seeall]

On 9/19/2021 at 1:51 PM, Yellowtail said:

I love the cassette units, and unless you are on a tight budget, they are well worth the extra dough, but you do need to have either a high ceiling, a big crawl-space or ideally both.

 

If you do go with the wall-mounts, there is no reason you have to mount them on exterior walls. While it's easiest, if you have a decent installer, they can put the units most anywhere. 

 

The multi-splits are nice and while they are getting popular in the US they do not seem have much market share here yet.

 

When you check the warranties  make sure you understand what they cover. Usually the ten-years is only on the compressor, which rarely needs replacing. 

 

I like Carrier products, and they have a wide range and a good website. 

 

Modern Air has a great website for comparing brands and prices.

 

Well We have 5 x samsung splits and ALL have leaky aluminium compressor cores under 5 years old. So they are all rubbish.  Copper core seems to be the go.

[Seeall]

Hi All,

 

does anyone know a decent installer? For Patong here in Phuket ? We Have 4 units to install for now.  (Please not gardiner friends thats

not an installer) (Happy to buy units from them if they can kind of compete with online.

Thanks.

[Yellowtail]

2 hours ago, Seeall said:

Well We have 5 x samsung splits and ALL have leaky aluminium compressor cores under 5 years old. So they are all rubbish.  Copper core seems to be the go.

 

I'm sure the compressors have at least a 5-Year warranty (Carrier has 10) so if they are leaking I would contact Samsung directly and have it addressed. 

 

While copper coils are better, they are much more expensive to buy than aluminum. Many/most manufacturers use both. The cheaper units have aluminum coils while the higher-end units have copper. This is the primary reason higher-end units are more energy efficient. Copper coils are relatively easy to repair while Al coils generally have to be replaced if they are leaking. 

 

[Yellowtail]

1 hour ago, Seeall said:

Hi All,

 

does anyone know a decent installer? For Patong here in Phuket ? We Have 4 units to install for now.  (Please not gardiner friends thats

not an installer) (Happy to buy units from them if they can kind of compete with online.

Thanks.

Were it me, I would look around for the closest decent looking air-conditioner shop close to your home. 

1. Look at their products

2. Figure out exactly what you want

3. Go home and get pricing online

4. Go back to the shop, tell them what you want and have them come out and look at the installation and provide a quotation.

5. Compare the pricing from the shop to the online pricing and if you think you need to, hammer them down. 

 

Or if you know what brand you want contact the manufacturer and ask for the name of authorized dealers in your area and go from there. 

 

The last three units I bought, I bought from a shop walking distance from my home. 

 

[Seeall]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Were it me, I would look around for the closest decent looking air-conditioner shop close to your home. 

1. Look at their products

2. Figure out exactly what you want

3. Go home and get pricing online

4. Go back to the shop, tell them what you want and have them come out and look at the installation and provide a quotation.

5. Compare the pricing from the shop to the online pricing and if you think you need to, hammer them down. 

 

Or if you know what brand you want contact the manufacturer and ask for the name of authorized dealers in your area and go from there. 

 

The last three units I bought, I bought from a shop walking distance from my home. 

 

 

[Seeall]

18 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

 

I'm sure the compressors have at least a 5-Year warranty (Carrier has 10) so if they are leaking I would contact Samsung directly and have it addressed. 

 

While copper coils are better, they are much more expensive to buy than aluminum. Many/most manufacturers use both. The cheaper units have aluminum coils while the higher-end units have copper. This is the primary reason higher-end units are more energy efficient. Copper coils are relatively easy to repair while Al coils generally have to be replaced if they are leaking. 

 

indeed, thats what I am saying..