Bloody Time Reflects Mounting Insurgency In Thai South

[nick2k]

do you consider yourself muslim? and if so, how loyal are you to the words of the koran?

Are you nuts?

I am western European, and convinced agnostic.

you didn't answer my question...

do you consider yourself muslim? and if so, how loyal are you to the words of the koran?

as you know, being muslim doesn't have anything to do with race. you can be black and blue, orange, or

any other color for that matter.

there are people who believe in the koran all over the world - including europe.

With respect being agnostic would make it impossible for an individual to be a Muslim, therefore your question was answered.

Regards

PS In case you are wondering, an agnostic is someone who contends that the existence of God cannot be logically proved or disproved

well, yes. technically, you are right. but as we all know, you could be born into a muslim family and therefore inherit that designation - even though later on in life you didn't believe in it.

take the case of the girl in malaysia who wanted to change her id card to reflect her changing from being a muslim to being a christian. she didn't believe she was muslim, but was not permitted by the shari courts to change her religious preference.

getting back to the original question.... muslim or not? do you believe in the koran or not? I know it is hard for a muslim to admit too. especially since according to the koran, you can be murdered for professing otherwise.

that is how fanatical islam is.

[Mid]

that is how fanatical islam is.

with that broad brush your credence has evaporated .

[nick2k]

that is how fanatical islam is.

with that broad brush your credence has evaporated .

as an non-muslim, an "infidel", I never knew I had any "credence" with muslims.

from what I understand, we non-muslims (infidels) are a lower form of life to muslims.

we are so low on the token pole, you can lie to us as much as you want. we don't

command an honest answer.

so, I guess you are muslim, right?

..I wonder how many more there are on this forum?

no wonder you "side" with your "brothers" down south instead of listening to logic.

[A_Traveller]

Nick, if you'll forgive the familiarity, but is the medication wearing off ?

Regards

[nick2k]

to the muslims...

correct me if I am wrong. I read that "the lives of 10,000 infidels do not equal the life of one muslim brother."

[nick2k]

..hey! where did you guys all go?

I wanted to quote you some stuff from the koran.

I was going to get my buddy, spencer, into this discussion with you on the finer points.

he knows everything about islam.

[A_Traveller]

If you're asking me, I'm off to dinner at the Oriental.

Maybe chat with the knowledgeable Spencer another time.

Regards

PS Have a pleasant evening, I shall.

/edit typo //

Edited June 9, 2007 by A_Traveller

[vermin on arrival]

that is how fanatical islam is.

with that broad brush your credence has evaporated .

as an non-muslim, an "infidel", I never knew I had any "credence" with muslims.

from what I understand, we non-muslims (infidels) are a lower form of life to muslims.

we are so low on the token pole, you can lie to us as much as you want. we don't

command an honest answer.

so, I guess you are muslim, right?

..I wonder how many more there are on this forum?

no wonder you "side" with your "brothers" down south instead of listening to logic.

Oh c'mon Nick, you can't be serious.

[Mid]

Oh c'mon Nick, you can't be serious.

sad ain't it ,

not that it means squat , but I'm not a muslim .

[vermin on arrival]

will it be very radical

just a little radical

will it be moderate

That's why painting them all with the same brush really obfuscates any real understanding of the situation. The Islamic world is not a huge monolith.

I'm sure there are some serious extremists down there, but there are also moderates. The fierecer the fight is the more radical everyone will become ,and the more serious Islamists will come to the region.

[vermin on arrival]

Oh c'mon Nick, you can't be serious.

sad ain't it ,

not that it means squat , but I'm not a muslim .

Ditto.

[Totster]

nick2k,

Be very careful with any further comments in this thread, racism will not be tolerated !

Totster

[pattaya_girl]

I just found this thread and wondered if anyone could answer my question. I have a thai freind who is 100% Thai and 100% Muslim.

If a war was to break out regarding this problem, (hope it does not).. Would my freind be made to Fight for his country or Fight for his religion. its a bit of a sticky question to ask my friend, i dont want to cause any upset, so i thought ask someone on here.

Thankyou for your time.

[ColPyat]

I just found this thread and wondered if anyone could answer my question. I have a thai freind who is 100% Thai and 100% Muslim.

If a war was to break out regarding this problem, (hope it does not).. Would my freind be made to Fight for his country or Fight for his religion. its a bit of a sticky question to ask my friend, i dont want to cause any upset, so i thought ask someone on here.

Thankyou for your time.

What do you ask?

It would be entirely his own decision to join the insurgency, but if he is not ethnic Malay he would not even know how to get into contact with them as he would not even speak their language.

If he is a soldier he would of course have to fight against the insurgency if his battalion would be stationed in the three provinces. If he is not a soldier, or has not joined one of the paramilitary organizations, why would he have to fight anyhow?

[nick2k]

I would like to say more. but I have told by the moderator to be careful about "racist" remarks. so, I am trying to be as informational as possible. if you want more information, please refer to the websites I listed.

[endure]

3) Religious or racial slurs, rude and degrading comments towards women, or extremely negative views of Thailand will not be tolerated.

Posts have been removed. Holidays are available for those unwilling to follow the rules.

[mumbu]

Maybe they should really look at Chechnya and how Russians deal with it. There are many similarities, and Russians seem to be close to solving their problem.

They don't mess around, mean business, and are prepared to take a lot of heat. In the end those who were really fighting were eliminated, and those who were not, got the point.

\Wow, I completely agree with Plus! I also partially agree with ColPyat.

There are muslims and muslims. Thais should seriously consider more cooperation with the government of Abdullah Badawi who is very reasonable man. It does not make any sense to ask Badawi to mediate in negotiations with terrorists. It presumes that he has any influence on them. He does not. In fact, Northern Malaysia is under the strong influence of muslim fundamentalists and they are not exactly Badawi friends. But surely Badawi has much better intelligence information

about the region. I recall that some time ago Thais publicly accused Malaysians that there are training camps for terrorists in Northern Malaysia. While it could be even true, the best way is to work privitaly with Malaysian government and try

to establish the trust between corresponding military and intelligence agencies.

In fact, insurgency is a potential problem for the central government in Malaysia

and they seriously afraid that it can spill over to its territory.

[GB99]

I just found this thread and wondered if anyone could answer my question. I have a thai freind who is 100% Thai and 100% Muslim.

If a war was to break out regarding this problem, (hope it does not).. Would my freind be made to Fight for his country or Fight for his religion. its a bit of a sticky question to ask my friend, i dont want to cause any upset, so i thought ask someone on here.

Thankyou for your time.

IMHO he MUST fight for his country (Thailand)

[Jai Dee]

Insurgency threats block medical help

The Public Health Physician of Yala Province says the Southern insurgency has obstructed the public health office’s medical service to residents in remote areas, resulting in an increase in the number of Malaria patients in the province.

Yala Public Health Physician Md.Marut Jirasetsiri (มรุต จิระเศรษฐศิริ) reveals that although the province has closely monitored and prevented Malaria, the disease has spread more severely. Md.Marut says he believes that the lack of efficiency in the control of Malaria is mainly due to violent situations created by insurgents.

At present, Yala is the second province which has most Malaria patients. To control the spread of the disease, the public health office has distributed mosquito nets dipped in chemical substances which can prevent malaria mosquitoes. It has also given out leaflets on Malaria prevention in local languages and set up more medical units which can detect the disease in 30 minutes and provide free treatment around the clock.

Md.Marut suggests that residents living in the areas with Malaria spread should sleep in a mosquito net and have their blood tested by a nearby Malaria clinic if they have a fever in order to receive treatment in time.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 11 June 2007

[Jai Dee]

Department of Local Administration urges for more security measures in restive south

The Department of Local Administration has urged local administrative organizations in the 5 southern provinces to promote security roles for all local personnel.

Director General of the Deparmtent of Local Administration Somporn Chaibangyang (สมพร ใช้บางยาง) reports that the situation in the southern border provinces is complicated, and uniquely different from the issues of other regions. The southern unrest has affected the lifestyles of local residents, causing great burden.

The director general is therefore urging local administartive organization offices in the 5 southern provinces to increase emphasis on mitigating the suffering of the southern people, developing quality of life, and promoting security roles and duties for provincical and district level officials, as well as police and military personnel.

Mr. Somporn added that funding will be allocated to these ends accordingly.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 11 June 2007

[Plus]

I just found this thread and wondered if anyone could answer my question. I have a thai freind who is 100% Thai and 100% Muslim.

If a war was to break out regarding this problem, (hope it does not).. Would my freind be made to Fight for his country or Fight for his religion. its a bit of a sticky question to ask my friend, i dont want to cause any upset, so i thought ask someone on here.

Thankyou for your time.

IMHO he MUST fight for his country (Thailand)

This is a wrong question from the start - it's not about country vs. religion. There are millions of muslims in Thailand who have nothing to do with insurgency and do not support it.

Until the insurgents get get real representation, there's no one to talk to. Negotiations and talks will not lead anywhere as long as fighters on the ground are not listening. They might just as well negotiate with my neighbours.

Divide and conquer - offer concessions to the people, get tougher on insurgents. Win people with love, fighters with guns.

The govt is on the right track but rumors of pro-govt militias or even soldiers themselves attacking civilians in revenge are not helping. The scary part that the rumors might be true.

[ColPyat]

The govt is on the right track but rumors of pro-govt militias or even soldiers themselves attacking civilians in revenge are not helping. The scary part that the rumors might be true.

What makes it even more murky is that investigating these rumors is almost impossible.

That is also used by the insurgents, who regularly dress in army uniforms, or uniforms of the paramilitary organizations for attacks.

[Jai Dee]

Village defence volunteer teams with no positive outcomes, will be pulled out

Governor of Yala Province affirms he will pull out the budget for village defence volunteer teams whose work prove inefficient, adding that the province has set plans to revise security measures due to frequent school arsons.

Yala Governor Thira Mintharasak (ธีระ มินทราศักดิ์) says the province has assigned the village defence volunteer teams with the task of safeguarding schools. However, insurgents set fire to the schools when the volunteers leave the schools to do their personal business. Some of the volunteers were captured and threatened by the insurgents before the arsons take place.

The province will cancel the budget of 20,000 baht a month for village defence volunteers which have not tried their best to prevent insurgent attacks.

Mr Thira says further that he will call a meeting of relevant provincial units to discuss security measures for academic institutions and roads, especially the Yala-Betong and Yala-Yaha. The meeting will also find ways to prevent protests by local people.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 11 June 2007

[Mid]

having an administrator who understands that there is more to solving problems , than simply throwing money at it may assist ......................

[gbt71fa]

Interesting interview last night with Ankana(wife of slained muslim lawyer/activist Somchai)on Nation News. When she met with the student protesters at the mosque last weekend in Patanni, it was believed that some member of the security force alleadgedly raped and murdered 4 to 5 muslim girls. If this is the case the government is contributing to the southern problem and what is going on there is not publicized fully.

Very disturbing and sad

...even there is no proof of that actually happening. But there is proof of beheading monks, destrongin temples, killing children associated with temples, killing teachers, attacking (blowing up) woman and children in market places, deraling trains....yes, that justifies it.

[vermin on arrival]

Interesting interview last night with Ankana(wife of slained muslim lawyer/activist Somchai)on Nation News. When she met with the student protesters at the mosque last weekend in Patanni, it was believed that some member of the security force alleadgedly raped and murdered 4 to 5 muslim girls. If this is the case the government is contributing to the southern problem and what is going on there is not publicized fully.

Very disturbing and sad

...even there is no proof of that actually happening. But there is proof of beheading monks, destrongin temples, killing children associated with temples, killing teachers, attacking (blowing up) woman and children in market places, deraling trains....yes, that justifies it.

Are you saying that the attacks on innocent people justifies the raping of muslim women? Please tell me that this is not the case. If the security froces are thinking like this, is it any wonder that the situation continues to escalate?

How can we prove what the security forces are doing or not doing as they do not allow the media to cover their activities when they are on anti-insurgent operations? This is the case is it not?

Edited June 11, 2007 by vermin on arrival

[vermin on arrival]

Divide and conquer - offer concessions to the people, get tougher on insurgents. Win people with love, fighters with guns.

The govt is on the right track but rumors of pro-govt militias or even soldiers themselves attacking civilians in revenge are not helping. The scary part that the rumors might be true

.

Plus,

I agree 100% with your 1st point.

I suspect that the rumors of revenge killings, etc. are true. Even nations that have a greater tradition of military accountability have problems with soldiers commtting excesses in the field. Do you remember the case a number of years ago of Canadian peacekeepers who had a number of soldiers found guilty of torturing and killing locals? The British soliders in Iraq who had raped and killed civilians in the Basra area(and the British were supposed to be the best behaved of the coalition troops)?It would be hard to believe that soldiers who were more emotionally involved in the fight would behave with more restraint.

Edited June 11, 2007 by vermin on arrival

[Jai Dee]

Interior Minister says ISOC will decide whether to impose curfew in Saba Yoi

Minister of Interior Aree Wong-araya says the Internal Security Operations Command (ISOC) will decide whether to enforce curfew in Saba Yoi (สะบ้าย้อย) District, Yala Province, after insurgent attacks have taken place continuously there.

The minister adds that ISOC has closely monitored violent incidents in the area but refuses to give opinions concerning the enforcement of curfew in the District. He says ISOC has worked with the governor of Yala as well as Tambon and village headmen in assessing the situation. As for the ministry, it will not conduct a survey to ask opinions of the residents about the curfew.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 11 June 2007

[Mid]

didn't take long to change from ,

only if the locals want it ...............................

[Jai Dee]

Schools in Narathiwat are shuttered until next week

All schools in 13 districts of Narathiwat will continue suspending their classes until next week following brutal killings of three teachers in the province on Monday.

Sanguan Indrarak, president of Narathiwat Teachers' Federation, said that all classes in 300 schools in 13 districts in the province will be cancelled this week and will be resumed on June 18.

"We decided to cancel all classes for now as our morality and spirit have completely been down following the separate killings of our three teachers on Monday," Sanguan said.

He was speaking after attending an urgent meeting of senior teachers and educational administrators and chaired Khunying Kasama Worawan, secretary general of the Basic Education Commission.

Two Buddhist teachers were shot inside the library of Ban Sakoh School in Si Sakhon district in front of their students. In a separate attack, a male teacher was shot dead in a shop in Rangae district. He was hit six times by AK-47 fire in the head and body.

After the attacks, all schools in the province cancelled their classes.

What the teachers and students wanted at the soonest was the strengthening of security including more deployment of soldiers to each school. And we need 24-hour protection for schools that are located in risky areas," he said.

Source: The Nation - 12 June 2007