Is LOS the most corrupt in Asia? What are your views?

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/corruption-rank?continent=asia

Doubtful, given the competition...

 

There are many competitors. Corruption is institutional in a number of countries to a greater or lesser extent. Thailand is certainly up there on that score, but my vote would go to Myanmar, with the Philippines and Thailand a close second and third.

That table looks like nonsense, Thailand 104 lots of dubious countries higher

3 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

That table looks like nonsense, Thailand 104 lots of dubious countries higher

North Korea, Afghanistan, Cambodia, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Nepal, Laos, Pakistan, Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines, Sri Lanka and Maldives fall in the most corrupt countries in the world, according to Transparency International.

 

Transparency International -

 

Transparency International is a German registered association founded in 1993 by former employees of the World Bank. Based in Berlin, its nonprofit and non-governmental purpose is to take action to combat global corruption with civil societal anti-corruption measures and to prevent criminal activities arising from corruption.

Its most notable publications include the Global Corruption Barometer and the Corruption Perceptions Index. Transparency International serves as an umbrella organization. 

It depends how you measure  corruption.

For petty corruption Thai is high but for world beating corruption the UK is very high

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/10/britain-global-corruption-liz-truss-democracy

10 minutes ago, SheikYabodyline said:

There are many competitors. Corruption is institutional in a number of countries to a greater or lesser extent. Thailand is certainly up there on that score, but my vote would go to Myanmar, with the Philippines and Thailand a close second and third.

Have you live in every asian country? Dont know how officially count level of corruption but in daily life what shown ,Thailand is much more corrupted than Philippines! LIke if you DUI in Phil you cant just pay police and continue driving!

3 minutes ago, 2 is 1 said:

Have you live in every asian country? Dont know how officially count level of corruption but in daily life what shown ,Thailand is much more corrupted than Philippines! LIke if you DUI in Phil you cant just pay police and continue driving!

Only thirty-five years, but don't let that disturb your certainties.

 

Petty corruption such as you describe is as nothing compared to institutional corruption which runs completely through government, civil service and civil society.

Edited January 18, 20224 yr by SheikYabodyline

2 minutes ago, SheikYabodyline said:

Only thirty-five years, but don't let that disturb your certainties.

You have to be very old if you have lived 35 years in every asian country! But well done!

18 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

That table looks like nonsense, Thailand 104 lots of dubious countries higher

Yeah, definitely looks like a pile of garbage. Of course it all depends on how you interpret corruption. I would not say that North Korea is corrupted. I call that dictatorship, which  is more like I take all and you nothing.

14 minutes ago, DrJoy said:

North Korea, Afghanistan, Cambodia, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Nepal, Laos, Pakistan, Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines, Sri Lanka and Maldives fall in the most corrupt countries in the world, according to Transparency International.

 

Transparency International -

 

Transparency International is a German registered association founded in 1993 by former employees of the World Bank. Based in Berlin, its nonprofit and non-governmental purpose is to take action to combat global corruption with civil societal anti-corruption measures and to prevent criminal activities arising from corruption.

Its most notable publications include the Global Corruption Barometer and the Corruption Perceptions Index. Transparency International serves as an umbrella organization. 

according to your table 100 is very clean, higher is even cleaner, Thailand is 104

1 minute ago, scubascuba3 said:

according to your table 100 is very clean, higher is even cleaner, Thailand is 104

Its made by Transparency Int, not me

30 minutes ago, pgrahmm said:

Doubtful, given the competition...

 

Its just that those in control of Thailand currently just wish they were the most corrupt as perhaps they are peeved they are missing a few tricks ????

8 minutes ago, SheikYabodyline said:

Only thirty-five years, but don't let that disturb your certainties.

 

Petty corruption such as you describe is as nothing compared to institutional corruption which runs completely through government, civil service and civil society.

Exactly. Completely Corrupt top to bottom. Unnecessary Poverty and Bad Education BUT nowhere near as Evil and Murderous on scale of North Korea, China, Burma, Pakistan, Arab States.

12 minutes ago, DrJoy said:

North Korea, Afghanistan, Cambodia, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Nepal, Laos, Pakistan, Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines, Sri Lanka and Maldives fall in the most corrupt countries in the world, according to Transparency International.

 

Transparency International -

 

Transparency International is a German registered association founded in 1993 by former employees of the World Bank. Based in Berlin, its nonprofit and non-governmental purpose is to take action to combat global corruption with civil societal anti-corruption measures and to prevent criminal activities arising from corruption.

Its most notable publications include the Global Corruption Barometer and the Corruption Perceptions Index. Transparency International serves as an umbrella organization

How is corruption measured? Transparency International uses perceptions, but this is dependent on people's belief of what constitutes corruption. Thais have a high tolerance and consider many things to be helping out friends and family, as opposed to being corrupt.

4 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

Exactly. Completely Corrupt top to bottom. Unnecessary Poverty and Bad Education BUT nowhere near as Evil and Murderous on scale of North Korea, China, Burma, Pakistan, Arab States.

Why don't we talk about 'VISAS' and the corruption attached to it.

11 minutes ago, DrJoy said:

Why don't we talk about 'VISAS' and the corruption attached to it.

Go on then.

53 minutes ago, DrJoy said:

Is LOS the most corrupt in Asia? What are your views?

No it's not, but clearly it's no where near the least corrupt either. The table places it on a par with Indonesia, which seems about right with me.

17 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

according to your table 100 is very clean, higher is even cleaner, Thailand is 104

It looks like table is arranged with least corrupt countries at the top.

Thailand being at 104 means it is highly corrupt. 

Corruption in Asia?   Compared to what, Russia, China or USA ... lol, most of Asia hasn't yet embraced western methods.

Next election may see Thailand move closer to corruption obscurity.

48 minutes ago, DrJoy said:

Why don't we talk about 'VISAS' and the corruption attached to it.

Trivial stuff compared to state murder machines with death camps & whole families executed as in China, North Korea.

6 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

Trivial stuff compared to state murder machines with death camps & whole families executed as in China, North Korea.

Wont u write abt the American who was jailed for writing a bad review?

Writing bad reviews gets you real jail time bcoz they cannot loose face.

 

You're comparing LOS to North Korea, that's the best you got?

According to Google takedown requests, yes

3 hours ago, DrJoy said:

Wont u write abt the American who was jailed for writing a bad review?

Writing bad reviews gets you real jail time bcoz they cannot loose face.

 

You're comparing LOS to North Korea, that's the best you got?

That’s the worst I’ve got …..and all I need. there is no comparison between short jail time for a bad hotel review (which he should have done from outside the country) and whole families being executed or sent to labour camps ( 3 mth death sentence) for one family member attempting to flee the country (N. Korea).

4 hours ago, Smithson said:

How is corruption measured? Transparency International uses perceptions, but this is dependent on people's belief of what constitutes corruption. Thais have a high tolerance and consider many things to be helping out friends and family, as opposed to being corrupt.

You’ll know it when you see it ! arrested & jailed for literally nothing in places like Dubai or Pakistan ; or here for tossing a spoiled bank note with king’s face in the trash ! 

4 hours ago, Smithson said:

How is corruption measured? Transparency International uses perceptions, but this is dependent on people's belief of what constitutes corruption. Thais have a high tolerance and consider many things to be helping out friends and family, as opposed to being corrupt.

Could start with numbers of conscience prisoners jailed for speech alone, then numbers detained without charges or trial, number of bloggers or journalists arrested or executed, proper democracy in place or not, then look at numbers & methods of execution, disappeared families, etc . Plenty of Hard Measures rather than Perceptions. Places like Iran, N. Korea & China would score solid Zeros. Thailand would still score much higher in comparison as their corruption is rarely murderous although they do shoot unarmed civilians …..and disappear dissidents on occasion. 

good question! but the candidates are so many it isn't easy to pick up the winner

Red Bull, the poster boy of corruption.

The corruption table is corrupt.

No, it is #2.  They WERE #1 but, then they bribed the body which ranks such things.........