9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

My point is that IMO all the "small ways" don't add up to doodoo when China, India and Brazil are polluting in massive ways.

If it makes them happy to be doing something, that's fine, but IMO they shouldn't be fooling themselves that by driving an electric car they are "solving" the climate "crisis".

 

Want to do something that really does make a difference- have less children and stop overpopulating the world.

If everyone contributed a little a lot can get done even without China and India

20 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I don't know any climate warriors in Thailand so you'll have to ask them. I do know plenty of people who agree that the world in its current manmade form is on a path to destruction and rather than sit back and do nothing they help in their own small way.

I’m definitely in the camp of climate change might be real (although I’m not 100 percent sure) but I just don’t care. 

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

If everyone contributed a little a lot can get done even without China and India

Your contribution is worth nothing.

Moving your oil energy use from direct in your car to the coal/oil fired power station is worth nothing.

 

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Your contribution is worth nothing.

 

Clueless comment. No suprise there

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

If everyone contributed a little a lot can get done even without China and India

I did more than most simply by not reproducing. No extra people to consume, use electricity, travel on roads that used oil products to make and motivate the transport, etc.

Far as I'm concerned I've more than done "my bit".

Only use car because no public transport where I live. Local electricity hydro generated.

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I did more than most simply by not reproducing. No extra people to consume, use electricity, travel on roads that used oil products to make and motivate the transport, etc.

Far as I'm concerned I've more than done "my bit".

Only use car because no public transport where I live. Local electricity hydro generated.

Good for you. Sit back and relax nobody is forcing you to do anything else. I'll carry on doing what I am doing

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Want to do something that really does make a difference- have less children and stop overpopulating the world.

Agree, and probably the #1  cause of just about every issue.  Was going to say 'threat to planet', but the planet has no worries.  Man's existence on it, is threatened, and if not controlling the numbers of, will run out of the resources that support all.

 

Don't think it will truly set in, until they start rationing out drinking water.  Then just maybe, people will do something.  Not in my lifetime, hopefully, but will definitely happen this century.

 

They already ration out water for non essential use in many of the populated areas.

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

They already ration out water for non essential use in many of the populated areas.

More to do with maximising water company profits than any lack of water IMHO.

Also to do with building company profits, as they build in unsuitable areas where land is cheap.

26 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I don't know any climate warriors in Thailand so you'll have to ask them. I do know plenty of people who agree that the world in its current manmade form is on a path to destruction and rather than sit back and do nothing they help in their own small way.

Of course the world is on a path to destruction. Eventually the sun will die and all life on planet will cease.

Extinction of species is inevitable, and part of the life cycle on planet Earth. Humans are certainly eliminating many species. I don't expect humans to continue till the planet dies- IMO sure to eliminate ourselves long before.

I don't know if humanity will cease to exist because of climate change, but I'm pretty sure we  are going to pollute ourselves to extinction if we don't start taking care of the environment. Perhaps we will just have WW3 and die of radiation- so many ways we can kill off humanity. Climate change is just one possibility.

6 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Agree, and probably the #1  cause of just about every issue.  Was going to say 'threat to planet', but the planet has no worries.  Man's existence on it, is threatened, and if not controlling the numbers of, will run out of the resources that support all.

 

Don't think it will truly set in, until they start rationing out drinking water.  Then just maybe, people will do something.  Not in my lifetime, hopefully, but will definitely happen this century.

 

They already ration out water for non essential use in many of the populated areas.

Drinking water is the least of our worries, at least for rich countries. Solar powered desalination plants can provide all the potable water needs. Saudis been using desalination for decades, but using oil.

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

More to do with maximising water company profits than any lack of water IMHO.

Agree.  In Udon Thani, we had 2 rai, and wife use to try to keep it watered.  NaDi the district lived in, only ran the 2 well pump, 1 all day, a trickle, then another when in the evening, when folks needed.

 

The supply to the house simply wasn't enough.  Even if on all night/24 hrs, the tank (2k L) would sometimes fill, but rare.  We asked about leaving both pumps on longer ... NO  ... you use too much.

 

BUT ... if you want to buy, we'll send a truck over to fill your tanks ????

27 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Globalists want to run the entire world.

Stopping Climate change (if it existed) wouldn't work without having ALL countries under their tight control.

 

It's fairly obvious really!

Oh, that definition of ‘Globalist’, who would have guessed:

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalism

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

More to do with maximising water company profits than any lack of water IMHO.

Also to do with building company profits, as they build in unsuitable areas where land is cheap.

Exactly. Build on flood plains and surprise, surprise, surprise get flooded house.

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Your contribution is worth nothing.

Moving your oil energy use from direct in your car to the coal/oil fired power station is worth nothing.

 

You are missing the efficiency gains.

 

Efficiency of electrical generation and electric cars v efficiency of internal combustion engine.

 

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course the world is on a path to destruction. Eventually the sun will die and all life on planet will cease.

Extinction of species is inevitable, and part of the life cycle on planet Earth. Humans are certainly eliminating many species. I don't expect humans to continue till the planet dies- IMO sure to eliminate ourselves long before.

I don't know if humanity will cease to exist because of climate change, but I'm pretty sure we  are going to pollute ourselves to extinction if we don't start taking care of the environment. Perhaps we will just have WW3 and die of radiation- so many ways we can kill off humanity. Climate change is just one possibility.

"Extinction of species is enivitable"

 

Well theres your get out clause then. Others have hope and do things about it.

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Long past the point of no return IMO. Forcing us to drive electric cars ain't going to fix it either.

Nobody is being forced to do anything that could make a difference really.
 

As a species we have become reliant on a way of living that is destroying the climate and our unwillingness or inability to change is why targets are not being met. 

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Drinking water is the least of our worries, at least for rich countries. Solar powered desalination plants can provide all the potable water needs. Saudis been using desalination for decades, but using oil.

Agree, but easy to do & doing, is 2 different things.

 

Desalination is quite easy to do, and anyone can DIY at home.   I was surprised how easy the process is ... BUT ... in TH, with ambient temp, a poor yield, unless of course, you have solar, and could run the copper piping through/in a frig for maximum condensation & yield ????

 

Same as  putting solar on every rooftop, easy to do ... and yet ... ????

 

Big Oil/fossil fuel folks would never allow it to happen.

46 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

How do you help?

Do you generate your own electricity?

Have you given up international air travel?

Have you given up your oil powered transport?

Have you considered ‘reductions in usage’ doesn’t have to be ‘no usage at all’.

 

Objectives are achieved one step at a time, right now in 2022, technology is available that wasn’t available a few short years ago, and prices of clean energy sources are falling rapidly.

 

The fact that an objective can’t be met today is not an argument against starting towards that objective.

 

It’s people demanding change that has given rise to the technological advancements in energy that are becoming more available and cheaper.

 

So less of this demanding of others that they go completely off-grid, zero fossil fuels today.

 
Nobody is making tgat argument other than the fossil fuel industry shills.

 

11 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Big Oil/fossil fuel folks would never allow it to happen.

Now you’re cooking with gas, pun intended.

 

 

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

My point is that IMO all the "small ways" don't add up to doodoo when China, India and Brazil are polluting in massive ways.

If it makes them happy to be doing something, that's fine, but IMO they shouldn't be fooling themselves that by driving an electric car they are "solving" the climate "crisis".

 

Want to do something that really does make a difference- have less children and stop overpopulating the 

Top 15 Countries with the Highest CO2 Emissions per Capita (t) - EU JRC 2020

Palau — 55.29

Qatar — 35.64

Trinidad and Tobago — 21.97

Bahrain — 21.60

Kuwait — 20.91

United Arab Emirates — 20.70

Brunei Darussalam — 17.95

Saudi Arabia — 16.96

Oman — 16.9

Australia — 15.22

Canada — 14.43

Kazakhstan — 14.22

United States — 13.68

Turkmenistan — 13.37

Luxembourg — 13.24

By this measure, the U.S. has the thirteenth-highest per capita emissions at 13.68 tons, while Russia is 20th (11.64), Japan is 26th (8.39), China is 28th (8.20), and India is 110th with a mere 1.74 tons per capita. Meanwhile, a number of developing nations occupy the top spots, largely due to less-regulated energy, industry, and transportation industries.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/carbon-footprint-by-country

 

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You have reputedly made a connection between those who support tackling climate change and ‘Globalists’.

 

Can you please explain the basis of the connection you make?

 

I think he means either all the foolish people who believe that all human beings live on one planet or all the foolish people who believe that the Earth is very nearly a perfect sphere.

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Long past the point of no return IMO. Forcing us to drive electric cars ain't going to fix it either.

“Soylent Green” scenario coming …….

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Have you considered ‘reductions in usage’ doesn’t have to be ‘no usage at all’.

Fair enough, I used 100 units of electricity last month.

 

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You are missing the efficiency gains.

 

Efficiency of electrical generation and electric cars v efficiency of internal combustion engine.

 

My pickup is only used once a month when doing a bulk shop at Makro.

I ether use a scooter or walk in my day to day life (2-3 litres a month).

Didn't use air-con at all last month.

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

My pickup is only used once a month when doing a bulk shop at Makro.

I ether use a scooter or walk in my day to day life (2-3 litres a month).

Didn't use air-con at all last month.

 

Like you, I use my ‘eco car’ for my main shops only.

 

The rest of the time I use a bicycle (non electric).

1 hour ago, Eleftheros said:

 

Global sea levels are rising as a result of human-caused global warming, with recent rates being unprecedented over the past 2,500-plus years. Sea level rise is caused primarily by two factors related to global warming: the added water from melting ice sheets and glaciers, and the expansion of seawater as it warms.

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

Global sea levels are rising as a result of human-caused global warming, with recent rates being unprecedented over the past 2,500-plus years. Sea level rise is caused primarily by two factors related to global warming: the added water from melting ice sheets and glaciers, and the expansion of seawater as it warms.

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level

The sea hasn't risen where I use to live (Shoreham beach) in the past 62 years.

All those Pacific islands haven't sunk either, in fact they're getting bigger, and the population is increasing.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/pacific-island-sinking-and-growing-same-time-180976481/

Just now, BritManToo said:

The haven't risen where I use to live (Shoreham beach) in the past 62 years.

All those Pacific islands haven't sunk either, in fact they're getting bigger, and the population is increasing.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/pacific-island-sinking-and-growing-same-time-180976481/

As land ice in Greenland, Antarctica and elsewhere melts, it changes Earth’s gravity field and slightly shifts the direction of Earth’s rotation. This causes uneven changes in sea level across the globe. Each melting ice mass around the world creates its own unique pattern of sea level change in the global ocean. For example, when ice melts in Antarctica, the amount of sea level rise it generates in California and Florida is up to 52 percent greater in those locations than if the global ocean just filled up uniformly, like water in a bathtub.

https://climate.nasa.gov/ask-nasa-climate/3002/sea-level-101-part-two-all-sea-level-is-local

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course the world is on a path to destruction. Eventually the sun will die and all life on planet will cease.

Extinction of species is inevitable, and part of the life cycle on planet Earth. Humans are certainly eliminating many species. I don't expect humans to continue till the planet dies- IMO sure to eliminate ourselves long before.

I don't know if humanity will cease to exist because of climate change, but I'm pretty sure we  are going to pollute ourselves to extinction if we don't start taking care of the environment. Perhaps we will just have WW3 and die of radiation- so many ways we can kill off humanity. Climate change is just one possibility.

 

So many expiry options! As Satchmo would sing - what a wonderful world. 

 

Our planet will be consumed by the sun long before he death of the latter. But mankind still has quite a bit of time to relocate - relatively speaking - of course.

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

The sea hasn't risen where I use to live (Shoreham beach) in the past 62 years.

All those Pacific islands haven't sunk either, in fact they're getting bigger, and the population is increasing.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/pacific-island-sinking-and-growing-same-time-180976481/

Even if it were true that all those Pacific islands were rising (it isn't) that would still constitute a tiny fraction of all the land mass above water. And believe it or not, the continents aren't built on coral reefs.

As for Shoreham beach you were scrupulously measuring the seal level for 62 years?

 

Rising sea levels threaten the south-east

"Dr Raymond Ward, principal lecturer in physical geography in the School of Environment and Technology, said: ‘in the south-east sea level is currently 21cm higher than in 1901 and is rising by 4mm per year, but predictions are that the rate of rise will increase over the next 20, 50 and 100 years’.

And he warned: “Climate change is exceptionally serious in the south-east. If you get a big storm surge and the sea level is higher, it could overwhelm our current defences.”

Dr Ward said the rise in sea level in the south-east was predominantly caused by climate change linked to an increase in methane and CO2."

 

https://www.brighton.ac.uk/news/2019/rising-sea-levels-threaten-the-south-east