Thai Baby

[Dan73]

I think you are wrong mate

My daughter ( 1/2 Australian ) got a Thai passport. It is my understanding that countries only issue passports to its citizens

Perhaps both the article from Chiangmailaw.com and you are right. There can be citizenship laws on the books in Thailand that are not being implemented by government officials because these laws don't quite make sense and implementing them would be unfair to many people.

But if these laws do indeed exist. Then it should concern all families in Thailand where the father of the children is a foreigner. Because government officials can use these laws in individual cases as they wish, at their own discretion.

It's not hard to imagine a grown up child of a Thai mother and a foreign father getting involved in politics, joining the opposition political party, and being a candidate in elections for the Thai parliament. And it's not hard to imagine people in government digging up these obscure laws and stripping this guy of his Thai citizenship in order to disqualify him.

In fact, these laws can be dug up and used against anyone (with Thai mother and foreign father) who displeases the Thai government in some way.

When the government can strip you of your citizenship at it's own discretion, then this is something to be concerned about even if at the present time the government has decided not to use its discretion in this way.

[Maestro]

I think you are wrong mate

Perhaps both the article from Chiangmailaw.com and you are right. There can be citizenship laws on the books in Thailand...

The information on the web page to which you gave us a link is wrong.

Yes, there is a law, Thailand’s Nationality Act:

Section 7. The following persons acquire Thai nationality by birth:

(1) A person born of a father or a mother of Thai nationality, whether within or outside the Thai Kingdom

It is very clear. The acquisition of Thai nationality by birth is exactly the same whether only the father, or only the mother, or both parents are Thai.

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Maestro

[Dan73]

The information on the web page to which you gave us a link is wrong.

Yes, there is a law, Thailand's Nationality Act:

"Section 7. The following persons acquire Thai nationality by birth:

(1) A person born of a father or a mother of Thai nationality, whether within or outside the Thai Kingdom"

It is very clear. The acquisition of Thai nationality by birth is exactly the same whether only the father, or only the mother, or both parents are Thai.

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Maestro

Perhaps that information from Chiangmailaw.com is not completely wrong. According to section 17 of Thailand's Nationality act:

Section 17. With respect to a person who has Thai nationality, by reason of his having been born within the Thai Kingdom of an alien father, his Thai nationality may be revoked if it appears that:

(1) He has resided in a foreign country, of which his father has or used to have nationality, for a consecutive period of more than five years as from the day of his becoming sui juris;

(2) There is evidence to show that he makes use of the nationality of his father or of a foreign nationality, or that he has an active interest in the nationality of his father or in a foreign nationality;

(3) He commits any act prejudicial to the security or conflicting with the interests of the State, or amounting to an insult to the nation;

(4) He commits any act contrary to public order or good morals.

The Minister in the event of (1) or (2), and the Court in the event of (3) or (4) and upon request of the public prosecutor, shall order the revocation of Thai nationality.

Some of these reasons for revoking Thai citizenship are subject to broad interpretations and subjective judgements of government officials. And in any case, this Section 17 clearly says that Thai citizens who have foreign fathers don't enjoy the same citizenship rights and protections as Thai citizens who have Thai fathers.

Especially the (4) reason of comitting any act contrary to public order or good morals can be applied almost to anybody.

For example, prostitution is officially illegal in Thailand. But many if not most participate in it one way or another. And it's not hard to imagine government officials using this law to stip a guy of his Thai citizenship. And there may be other laws on the books that can be used by government officials at their own discretion.

Or if the guy participates in some anti-government protest and gets arrested. Then his actions can be seen as contrary to public order. And he can be stripped of his Thai citizenship.

Edited July 1, 2007 by Dan73

[Maestro]

Dan73, in case you haven’t noticed, this discussion, and the wrong information you quoted from a website to which you linked, is about the acquisition of Thai nationality, not its revocation.

Welcome to ThaiVisa. I see that you have recently registered, but please do not insist on spreading wrong information or posting off topic. Thank you.

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Maestro

[Robbie Dye]

it will make it easier with a child.

Thank you! :-)

Nice to have this!

I believe you have misunderstood what Lopburi wrote.

No having a child will not make it easier to stay or obtain a job.

Translation:

“Nein, mit einem Kind wird es nicht leichter, Arbeit zu finden.”

Whether you have a child or not makes no difference when it comes to finding employment in Thailand. Perhaps it makes it easier for you to obtain a multiple-entry non-immigrant visa category O. You have to ask the Thai consulate in your area about this.

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Maestro

Sorry, but wrong translation/falsche Uebersetzung

Es wird weder mit einem Visum noch bei der Arbeitssuche helfen dass Sie ein Thai Kind haben.

That means it does NOT help you with visas or jobs just because you have a Thai baby!

[Totster]

it will make it easier with a child.

Thank you! :-)

Nice to have this!

I believe you have misunderstood what Lopburi wrote.

No having a child will not make it easier to stay or obtain a job.

Translation:

“Nein, mit einem Kind wird es nicht leichter, Arbeit zu finden.”

Whether you have a child or not makes no difference when it comes to finding employment in Thailand. Perhaps it makes it easier for you to obtain a multiple-entry non-immigrant visa category O. You have to ask the Thai consulate in your area about this.

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Maestro

Sorry, but wrong translation/falsche Uebersetzung

Es wird weder mit einem Visum noch bei der Arbeitssuche helfen dass Sie ein Thai Kind haben.

That means it does NOT help you with visas or jobs just because you have a Thai baby!

Isn't that what it's supposed to mean ?

totster