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President Joe Biden’s legal team found another batch of government records in a search of a second location, according to people briefed on the matter.

The discovery came during searches that followed the initial discovery in November of classified documents from Biden’s time as vice president at his former think tank office. That effort led to the discovery of additional documents of interest to federal officials reviewing the matter, one of the sources said.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/11/politics/biden-classified-documents/index.html

Good to see President Biden’s lawyers being thorough in their searching and acting decisively to report this find.

 

I hope to see the USAG acting decisively to investigate this second self reported find.

 

If criminality is found, then indict.

 

The criminal holding, withholding or concealment of classified documents should always be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

 

If criminality is not found, make a clear unequivocal statement to that effect.

On 1/12/2023 at 6:41 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Good to see President Biden’s lawyers being thorough in their searching and acting decisively to report this find.

 

I hope to see the USAG acting decisively to investigate this second self reported find.

 

If criminality is found, then indict.

 

The criminal holding, withholding or concealment of classified documents should always be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

 

If criminality is not found, make a clear unequivocal statement to that effect.

Just to be clear the Constitution doesn’t mention indicting .Have to go through the impeachment process instead.

A sitting POTUS or office of the President cant be indicted, or prosecuted.

https://openyls.law.yale.edu/bitstream/handle/20.500.13051/5357/The_Presidential_Privilege_Against_Prosecution.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y

 

Also there should be oversight by the house and senate and by a special counsel and the AG should recuse themselves imop

 

Two instances of biden having classified docs when he was VP 

is now a great concern ,especially knowing his lack of knowledge that

he had them! 
Personally speaking Garland cant be trusted with investigating imop

 

 

Just now, riclag said:

Just to be clear the Constitution doesn’t mention indicting .Have to go through the impeachment process instead.

A sitting POTUS or office of the President cant be indicted, or prosecuted.

https://openyls.law.yale.edu/bitstream/handle/20.500.13051/5357/The_Presidential_Privilege_Against_Prosecution.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y

 

Also there should be oversight by the house and senate and by a special counsel and the AG should recuse themselves imop

 

Two instances of biden having classified docs when he was VP 

is now a great concern ,especially knowing his lack of knowledge that

he had them! 
Personally speaking Garland cant be trusted with investigating imop

 

 

Two instances of biden having classified docs when he was VP

 

Anyone with the necessary security clearance can have classified documents. What is it you don't understand about that?

 

This investigation is about why they were found there and not been returned, any damage control and who was responsible for them being there. The fact is that as soon as they were found they were very quickly returned in the correct procedure.

 

Garland specifically engaged a Republican lawyer left over from the Trump era to investigate this, he is not doing this himself. Its very difficult to be more than fair on this matter.

 

"Given its nature, any mishandling of classified material raises serious concerns, but such incidents are not uncommon and routinely handled through administrative proceedings, said Mark Zaid, an attorney focusing on national security law.

"A thorough factual investigation will be in everyone's interests and presumably that will help identify whether any individual(s) are culpable," Zaid told VOA in an email. "At this point, there does not seem to be any evidence that President Biden had any knowledge or involvement with the records in question, but we need to wait to learn more."

 

11 hours ago, riclag said:

Just to be clear the Constitution doesn’t mention indicting .Have to go through the impeachment process instead.

A sitting POTUS or office of the President cant be indicted, or prosecuted.

https://openyls.law.yale.edu/bitstream/handle/20.500.13051/5357/The_Presidential_Privilege_Against_Prosecution.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y

 

Also there should be oversight by the house and senate and by a special counsel and the AG should recuse themselves imop

 

Two instances of biden having classified docs when he was VP 

is now a great concern ,especially knowing his lack of knowledge that

he had them! 
Personally speaking Garland cant be trusted with investigating imop

 

 

Why is a VP having classified documents a problem?

26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Why is a VP having classified documents a problem?

Incredibly disingenuous way to frame Biden being found in possession of stolen classified documents strewn across multiple locations.

 

The notion that an ex President has possession of classified docs being VERY VERY BAD AND DANGEROUS, while an ex VP having the same in several unsecure locations after berating the former for possessing the same thing is all cool and what's the problem, doc, is jawdropping.

3 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Incredibly disingenuous way to frame Biden being found in possession of stolen classified documents strewn across multiple locations.

 

The notion that an ex President has possession of classified docs being VERY VERY BAD AND DANGEROUS, while an ex VP having the same in several unsecure locations after berating the former for possessing the same thing is all cool and what's the problem, doc, is jawdropping.

“Incredibly disingenuous way to frame Biden being found in possession of stolen classified documents strewn across multiple locations.”

 

I’ve helped you with your misunderstanding of what ‘disingenuous’ means by underlining a couple of examples from your own post.

 

 

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Incredibly disingenuous way to frame Biden being found in possession of stolen classified documents strewn across multiple locations.

 

The notion that an ex President has possession of classified docs being VERY VERY BAD AND DANGEROUS, while an ex VP having the same in several unsecure locations after berating the former for possessing the same thing is all cool and what's the problem, doc, is jawdropping.

It's obvious that only "bad man" can be guilty as "good man" couldn't possibly break any laws, even if caught doing so.

Sarcasm alert for those devoid of sense of humour.

14 hours ago, riclag said:

Just to be clear the Constitution doesn’t mention indicting .Have to go through the impeachment process instead.

A sitting POTUS or office of the President cant be indicted, or prosecuted.

https://openyls.law.yale.edu/bitstream/handle/20.500.13051/5357/The_Presidential_Privilege_Against_Prosecution.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y

 

Also there should be oversight by the house and senate and by a special counsel and the AG should recuse themselves imop

 

Two instances of biden having classified docs when he was VP 

is now a great concern ,especially knowing his lack of knowledge that

he had them! 
Personally speaking Garland cant be trusted with investigating imop

 

 

What's of more importance to me than him having the documents, which could be irrelevant to anything, is that the media didn't break the story before the mid terms, and the authority that handles such is apparently incompetent.

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

What's of more importance to me than him having the documents, which could be irrelevant to anything, is that the media didn't break the story before the mid terms, and the authority that handles such is apparently incompetent.

How do you know the matter was reported to the press before the midterms?

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Incredibly disingenuous way to frame Biden being found in possession of stolen classified documents strewn across multiple locations.

 

The notion that an ex President has possession of classified docs being VERY VERY BAD AND DANGEROUS, while an ex VP having the same in several unsecure locations after berating the former for possessing the same thing is all cool and what's the problem, doc, is jawdropping.

The notion that an ex President has possession of classified docs being VERY VERY BAD AND DANGEROUS

 

Correct when an ex President, was asked repeatedly to return them, lied about their existence, resisted all efforts for access to them, till finally they had to issue a search warrant to get them all back.

 

As apposed to...........

 

The VP's personal lawyer was the one who found them and immediately returned them. Now a full investigation is underway. 

 

So what notion are you talking about?

 

 

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

What's of more importance to me than him having the documents, which could be irrelevant to anything, is that the media didn't break the story before the mid terms, and the authority that handles such is apparently incompetent.

Whats significant to me is that Biden's own lawyer notified the National Archives on 2nd Nov and returned them before mid terms. I guess they could have waited a few days but no. That's what happens when you carry out an honest declaration.

 

Its plainly obvious that National Archives would then not have time to investigate the matter in just a couple of days and issue official statements.

Just now, heybruce said:

How do you know the matter was reported to the press before the midterms?

Report what to the press? Had the incidents been handled similarly Biden would have had dozens of police cars, SWAT teams, helicopters overhead as his house(s) were stormed. A right old hullabaloo that would be noticed/heard dozens of miles away.

 

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Incredibly disingenuous way to frame Biden being found in possession of stolen classified documents strewn across multiple locations.

 

The notion that an ex President has possession of classified docs being VERY VERY BAD AND DANGEROUS, while an ex VP having the same in several unsecure locations after berating the former for possessing the same thing is all cool and what's the problem, doc, is jawdropping.

Trump is not being investigated for having documents in unsecured locations. This would have been nothingburger if Trump hadn't defied legal counsel to take those documents and then lied about being in possession of many of them. To qualify as a crime under the relevant statutes, it is necessary to show that the person being investigated willfully violated the law. It also is a violation of that law to refuse to return documents when requested to do so. And then there is another possible charge on the grounds of obstructing justice due to the fact that Trump lied about being in continued possession of many of these documents.

Edited January 12, 20233 yr by placeholder

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Trump is not being investigated for having documents in unsecured locations. This would have been nothingburger if Trump hadn't defied legal counsel to take those documents and then lied about being in possession of many of them. To qualify as a crime under the relevant statutes, it is necessary to show that the person being investigated willfully violated the law. It also is a violation of that law to refuse to return documents when requested to do so. And then there is another possible charge on the grounds of obstructing justice due to the fact that Trump lied about being in continued possession of many of these documents.

Just my opinion, but when Biden was mocking and berating Trump for having been in possession of classified documents - that he also in effect put out a narrative that Biden himself had of course never taken classified docs and stored them lazily in several locations.

 

 Accusing others of doing what you yourself have done is hypocritical. Nobody is saying Biden is a hypocrite, are they?

Just now, SunnyinBangrak said:

Just my opinion, but when Biden was mocking and berating Trump for having been in possession of classified documents - that he also in effect put out a narrative that Biden himself had of course never taken classified docs and stored them lazily in several locations.

 

 Accusing others of doing what you yourself have done is hypocritical. Nobody is saying Biden is a hypocrite, are they?

Yes, Biden or his staff was careless and deserves to be reproached for that. But criminality is another matter. And the difference between Biden's conduct and Trump's is huge. What don't you get about the fact that it's clear Trump willfully violated the law despite the advice of legal counsel, and then lied about being in possession of documents he had no right to be in possession of?

11 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Report what to the press? Had the incidents been handled similarly Biden would have had dozens of police cars, SWAT teams, helicopters overhead as his house(s) were stormed. A right old hullabaloo that would be noticed/heard dozens of miles away.

 

B/S. Trump was notified to return the documents in May 2021. It was not until August 2022 that a search warrant was issued. 

 

Facts are not in your favour.

 

25 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Report what to the press? Had the incidents been handled similarly Biden would have had dozens of police cars, SWAT teams, helicopters overhead as his house(s) were stormed. A right old hullabaloo that would be noticed/heard dozens of miles away.

 

What don't you understand about the fact that whereas Trump had his lawyers act to obstruct the return of documents in his possession, Biden's lawyers immediately reported their presence in Biden's office and arranged to have them returned immediately?

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Report what to the press? Had the incidents been handled similarly Biden would have had dozens of police cars, SWAT teams, helicopters overhead as his house(s) were stormed. A right old hullabaloo that would be noticed/heard dozens of miles away.

 

The incidents were not handled similarly because the incidents were not similar. 

 

When Biden's lawyer discovered the classified he immediately notified the National Archives and returned the documents to the government.

 

When Trump was found to have classified he resisted and lied to prevent the return of the classified, forcing the use of a search warrant.

 

Only a fool can not see the difference.

13 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

What's of more importance to me than him having the documents, which could be irrelevant to anything, is that the media didn't break the story before the mid terms, and the authority that handles such is apparently incompetent.

Agree.

I can guarantee the right side of the aisle  House members,will be looking into grilling garland on the  very suspicious time lines!

13 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Report what to the press? Had the incidents been handled similarly Biden would have had dozens of police cars, SWAT teams, helicopters overhead as his house(s) were stormed. A right old hullabaloo that would be noticed/heard dozens of miles away.

I'd agree with you if Biden had been given subpoena to return the documents and lied to the FBI about them and then was being investigated for obstruction of justice.

16 minutes ago, riclag said:

Agree.

I can guarantee the right side of the aisle  House members,will be looking into grilling garland on the  very suspicious time lines!

Good luck with that.

Edited January 13, 20233 yr by ozimoron

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