placeholder Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Oil and gas producers in Pennsylvania used some 160 million pounds of chemicals that they are not required by law to publicly identify in more than 5,000 gas wells between 2012 and 2022, according to research published on Tuesday. The chemicals may have included per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances (PFAS), a toxic and pervasive class of chemicals, according to the report from Physicians for Social Responsibility (PSR), an activist group that last week co-published a new compilation of studies on the harms of hydraulic fracturing for oil and gas. https://insideclimatenews.org/news/24102023/pennsylvanias-gas-industry-used-160-million-pounds-of-secret-chemicals-possible-pfas/?utm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keep Right Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Yawn!!!!!!!!!!! Another Eco-warrior trying to find a soap box to stand on 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted November 29, 2023 Author Share Posted November 29, 2023 Just now, Keep Right said: Yawn!!!!!!!!!!! Another Eco-warrior trying to find a soap box to stand on Another Pavlovian response instead of an engagement with facts. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhatMeWorry Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 WGAS !!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Secret ... simply something they didn't need to report ... maybe water for all we know. A report about something that doesn't need to be reported ... classic. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted November 29, 2023 Author Share Posted November 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, KhunLA said: Secret ... simply something they didn't need to report ... maybe water for all we know. A report about something that doesn't need to be reported ... classic. Nonsense. In Colorado the chemicals being used have to be disclosed. And PFAs are banned. According to your way of magical thinking, absolutely secrecy can turn any chemical into water and therefore no need for disclosure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, placeholder said: Nonsense. In Colorado the chemicals being used have to be disclosed. And PFAs are banned. According to your way of magical thinking, absolutely secrecy can turn any chemical into water and therefore no need for disclosure. Agree ... along with the irrelevant mention of CO & PFAs 160,000,000 lbs of ??? ÷ 5000 (more than) wells = <32,000 lbs ÷ 10 yrs = <3200 lbs ÷ 365 day = <8.77 lbs a day < 8.77 lbs of secret chemical used a day, in a well For perspective ... ... 1 gallon of water weighs 8.34 lbs That is some scary stuff I don't think I'll be able to sleep tonight. Better call my 1 brother, as still lives in PA, and advise him to sell up and leave ASAP. And for GOD sake, don't drink the water or breathe the air. Who knows what secret chemicals may have escaped from the wells. No prob ... air & water filters are 'Safe & Effective' Edited November 29, 2023 by KhunLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted November 29, 2023 Author Share Posted November 29, 2023 29 minutes ago, KhunLA said: Agree ... along with the irrelevant mention of CO & PFAs 160,000,000 lbs of ??? ÷ 5000 (more than) wells = <32,000 lbs ÷ 10 yrs = <3200 lbs ÷ 365 day = <8.77 lbs a day < 8.77 lbs of secret chemical used a day, in a well For perspective ... ... 1 gallon of water weighs 8.34 lbs That is some scary stuff I don't think I'll be able to sleep tonight. Better call my 1 brother, as still lives in PA, and advise him to sell up and leave ASAP. And for GOD sake, don't drink the water or breathe the air. Who knows what secret chemicals may have escaped from the wells. No prob ... air & water filters are 'Safe & Effective' Your comments take no account of toxicity. For example In a 2012 Science of the Total Environment study, researchers from the Colorado School of Public Health found that air pollution caused by hydraulic fracturing or fracking may contribute to acute and chronic health problems for those living near natural gas drilling sites. The report, based on three years of monitoring, found a number of potentially toxic and carcinogenic petroleum hydrocarbons in the air near oil/gas wells, including benzene, ethylbenzene, toluene and xylene. Benzene has been identified by the Environmental Protection Agency as https://www.gem.wiki/Colorado_and_fracking#:~:text=Air pollution,-In a 2012&text=The report%2C based on three,Agency as a known carcinogen.a known carcinogen. https://www.gem.wiki/Colorado_and_fracking#:~:text=Air pollution,-In a 2012&text=The report%2C based on three,Agency as a known carcinogen. https://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/HEALTHYENVIRONMENTS/DRINKINGWATER/MONITORING/Documents/health/benzene.pdf When does benzene in drinking water become a health concern? Benzene is measured in parts per billion (ppb). The federal government has established the safe drinking water standard (also called maximum contaminant level) for benzene as 5 ppb. https://www.gem.wiki/Colorado_and_fracking#:~:text=Air pollution,-In a 2012&text=The report%2C based on three,Agency as a known carcinogen. What are exposure limits for PFAS in drinking water? The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Health Advisory recommends that the concentration of PFOA and PFOS, or a combination of both PFOA and PFOS, in drinking water should not be higher than 70 parts per trillion. https://health.ri.gov/news/temp/201710PFASQuestionsAndAnswers.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Quick reading, and I don't see it banned, if it is the 'secret chemical' in PA. Do you even know what it is ? How used, and where the use is restricted. Legislation is pending in PA, approved by Gov and passed in Republican controlled Senate. But didn't make it out of the Democratic controlled House. Not sure if below is pending or approved yet. "Pennsylvania: H.B.1122: Prohibits the sale and distribution of food packaging containing perfluoroalkyl or polyfluoroalkyl substances. H.B.1541: Prohibits firefighting personal protective equipment that contains PFAS. H.B.1571: Requires manufacturers affix a warning label to firefighting personal protective equipment containing PFAS chemicals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, placeholder said: Your comments take no account of toxicity. For example In a 2012 Science of the Total Environment study, researchers from the Colorado School of Public Health found that air pollution caused by hydraulic fracturing or fracking may contribute to acute and chronic health problems for those living near natural gas drilling sites. The report, based on three years of monitoring, found a number of potentially toxic and carcinogenic petroleum hydrocarbons in the air near oil/gas wells, including benzene, ethylbenzene, toluene and xylene. Benzene has been identified by the Environmental Protection Agency as https://www.gem.wiki/Colorado_and_fracking#:~:text=Air pollution,-In a 2012&text=The report%2C based on three,Agency as a known carcinogen.a known carcinogen. https://www.gem.wiki/Colorado_and_fracking#:~:text=Air pollution,-In a 2012&text=The report%2C based on three,Agency as a known carcinogen. https://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/HEALTHYENVIRONMENTS/DRINKINGWATER/MONITORING/Documents/health/benzene.pdf When does benzene in drinking water become a health concern? Benzene is measured in parts per billion (ppb). The federal government has established the safe drinking water standard (also called maximum contaminant level) for benzene as 5 ppb. https://www.gem.wiki/Colorado_and_fracking#:~:text=Air pollution,-In a 2012&text=The report%2C based on three,Agency as a known carcinogen. What are exposure limits for PFAS in drinking water? The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Health Advisory recommends that the concentration of PFOA and PFOS, or a combination of both PFOA and PFOS, in drinking water should not be higher than 70 parts per trillion. https://health.ri.gov/news/temp/201710PFASQuestionsAndAnswers.pdf Your OP doesn't even know what the chemical is, toxic or not. Just something was used, that nobody had to report. PURE SILLINESS A big nothing My biggest question ... "Why did I take you off that list ?" Edited November 29, 2023 by KhunLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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