Prenatal Exposure to COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 Induces Autism-Like Behaviors in Male Neonatal Rats: Insights into WNT and BDNF Signaling Perturbations

Published: 10 January 2024

Erdogan, M.A., Gurbuz, O., Bozkurt, M.F. et al. Prenatal Exposure to COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 Induces Autism-Like Behaviors in Male Neonatal Rats: Insights into WNT and BDNF Signaling Perturbations. Neurochem Res (2024)

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11064-023-04089-2

This forum induces autism-like behavior in me. 

 

 

1. Rats are not people...as the authors of this study themselves concede, saying:

 

"It's imperative to recognize the limitations of our research, given that it relies on animal models. Caution should be exercised in generalizing these results to humans. Further rigorous clinical studies are required to confirm these observations in human populations and to ascertain the exact mechanisms at play."

 

2. Claims that vaccines cause autism or autism like disorders have long been a standard and discredited claim of anti-vax activists...

False Claim About Cause of Autism Highlighted on Pennsylvania Senate Panel

July 21, 2023

 

"Studies have found the rate of autism is the same in vaccinated and unvaccinated children. But the false claim that vaccines are associated with the disorder persists."

...

" the false claim about vaccination and autism has been circulating since 1998, when a since-retracted paper wrongly suggested the MMR vaccine was linked to autism. Data presented in the paper were later found to be fabricated. The General Medical Council in the United Kingdom stripped the lead author of his ability to practice medicine for his dishonesty and irresponsibility in the paper. But the baseless claim has remained."

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/07/scicheck-false-claim-about-cause-of-autism-highlighted-on-pennsylvania-senate-panel/

 

 

American Academy of Pediatrics:

What to know about vaccines

The child and adolescent immunization schedule is a policy that is recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP). Like all AAP policies, it is developed based on expert review of all available evidence.

 

As a parent, you can be reassured to know that there have been hundreds of large-scale studies around the world on vaccine safety during the past few decades. They demonstrate that:

• Recommended vaccines are safe for children and teens.

• Vaccines are not associated with conditions like diabetes or problems with fertility.

• Vaccines are not associated with autism or developmental delay."

 

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/safety-prevention/immunizations/Pages/Vaccine-Studies-Examine-the-Evidence.aspx

 

As per the "neonatal" element of the OP research, the U.S. CDC also has judged that COVID vaccines are both safe and effective if administered during pregnancy, both for the mother and the unborn child.

 

COVID-19 Vaccines While Pregnant or Breastfeeding

Updated Nov. 3, 2023

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/pregnancy.html

 

 

 

Safe and effective, right?

 

Edited January 15, 20242 yr by stats
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11 hours ago, dhupverg said:

Amazing to see someone  jumping  out in a hurry to get ahead of the story.  The propoganda king saves the day.  

 

Safe and effective, right?

Goodness, you didn't even read the paper.

 

The paper says small rats of average weight 220±10 g. received a dose of 30 μg/Rat of Pfizer m-RNA vaccine.  That's three hundred and fifty (350) times  human dosage by weight. 350X. 

 

Amazing they lived, and their offspring were relatively normal except for some wobble and reduced social engagement. Far smaller changes in many essential or even beneficial substances in humans can cause damage or death. Aspirin kills at relatively low dose.

 

There is nothing in the paper to suggest normal vaccine doses cause any such problems.  It is an exploratory paper, no more.

 

Incredible the lengths people will go to to discredit vaccines.

Op had to look really far to come up with this.

 

And the OP posted before coming up with this topic.

"So, this is enough. I'm backing out of Covid discussions unless Covid shots eventually become mandated in the future. I'll deal with it if it happens. Best of luck. Do what you need to do to feel safe. :heart_001:".

Edited January 16, 20242 yr by stevenl

Drawing conclusions based upon 8 treated female rates seems a bit weak.

 

Also note that the scientists were all Turkish.  Not sure that Turkey is particularly famed for the quality of its biomedical research.

 

Finally, with their being Turkish and (presumably) Muslim, I'm reminded of the religious objections that many Muslims have to all forms of vaccine which may have tainted the researchers' objectivity.

On 1/15/2024 at 10:52 AM, rabas said:

Goodness, you didn't even read the paper.

 

The paper says small rats of average weight 220±10 g. received a dose of 30 μg/Rat of Pfizer m-RNA vaccine.  That's three hundred and fifty (350) times  human dosage by weight. 350X. 

 

Amazing they lived, and their offspring were relatively normal except for some wobble and reduced social engagement. Far smaller changes in many essential or even beneficial substances in humans can cause damage or death. Aspirin kills at relatively low dose.

 

There is nothing in the paper to suggest normal vaccine doses cause any such problems.  It is an exploratory paper, no more.

 

 

And yet the anti-vaxxers aren't complaining online about aspirin. Nor do they complain when they pop their aspirin in the morning after a night of excessively consuming alcohol, another killer they fall silent on. And it is only after their hangover has settled and they've wolfed down 350 x's the recommended dose of chocolate cake leading to life threatening obesity that they finally waddle back online to complain about life saving vaccinations.

2 hours ago, thaicurious said:

 

And yet the anti-vaxxers aren't complaining online about aspirin. Nor do they complain when they pop their aspirin in the morning after a night of excessively consuming alcohol, another killer they fall silent on. And it is only after their hangover has settled and they've wolfed down 350 x's the recommended dose of chocolate cake leading to life threatening obesity that they finally waddle back online to complain about life saving vaccinations.

Nobody is forcing them to eat aspirin or drink alcohol to keep their job.

 

40 minutes ago, impulse said:

Nobody is forcing them to eat aspirin or drink alcohol to keep their job.

 

More to the point which is not propaganda, nobody is forcing the unvaccinated to stay in their job, besides that accommodations are made for extreme cases (religious, other documented health issues, etc.)

 

Meanwhile employers have legal & moral responsibilities (even if you don't find your own moral responsibility to not spread your virus) to other employees to provide as safe as possible a place to work. Just as an employer would be remiss to allow employees to shoot off their guns into the air to celebrate lunchtime because one of those random bullets coughed out of your little pistol might hit someone. So we allow for guns, we allow for shooting in certain circumstances, but you don't get to shoot off your gun whenever and where ever you please because others have rights too and you don't have a recreational right to violate their more primary life and safety rights.

 

I realize this is a terrible inconvenience for you as you are probably, vaxxed or not, a fabulously invaluable worker, but the fact remains that your headache does not affect anyone but you. Your hangover affects no one but you and the only person your obesity has ill effect upon is the guy in the coach seat next to yours.

On 1/15/2024 at 10:52 PM, rabas said:

 

The paper says small rats of average weight 220±10 g. received a dose of 30 μg/Rat of Pfizer m-RNA vaccine.  That's three hundred and fifty (350) times  human dosage by weight. 350X.

 

 

Expert scientists in the field who have publicly reviewed this study confirmed Rabas' post above -- that the COVID vaccine dose given to the rats in this study, a normal human dose, was nonetheless in the range of 350 times the equivalent human dose, because the rats here weigh about 1/350th the weight of an average adult body (about 80 kilograms).

 

Therefore, this thread is CLOSED. //