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An excellent article showing both sides of the argument, hopefully sensible heads on both sides will work together for peace, it will be difficult but not impossible given some give and take by both parties.

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8 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

An excellent article showing both sides of the argument, hopefully sensible heads on both sides will work together for peace, it will be difficult but not impossible given some give and take by both parties.

As a start Hamas could release the Israeli hostages...........but they are reluctant to do that for some reason; perhaps many of them have been killed??

 

If some sort of "proof of life" as regards to the hostages, was offered by Hamas, then that could be a start.

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3 minutes ago, xylophone said:

As a start Hamas could release the Israeli hostages...........but they are reluctant to do that for some reason; perhaps many of them have been killed??

 

If some sort of "proof of life" as regards to the hostages, was offered by Hamas, then that could be a start.

Equally as a start Israel could stop attacking the Palestinians in Gaza.

 

Sadly that is just as likely as Hamas releasing the Israeli hostages, and so the unceasing slaughter on both sides will continue.

 

Negotiations don't seem to work as one side or the other or both sides reject the outcome of every negotiation. 

 

IMHO the only way to some sort of "peace" is for 1 or more western nations to come into the area with armed forces to impose it.

 

However the nations who impose that peace had better have a lot of body bags with them and be prepared to wield a very big stick.

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4 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Equally as a start Israel could stop attacking the Palestinians in Gaza.

The IDF do not purposely attack/target Palestinians, they target Hamas, and in the process there are sure to be "casualties of war" and as has already been discovered, there are many so-called "innocent Palestinians" who support Hamas, so what do you expect.

 

As a gesture of goodwill Hamas could release the hostages, that's the first step, but Hamas being a terrorist organisation will not do this. That is a simple first step which could break the deadlock, so why won't Hamas do this.

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2 hours ago, xylophone said:

The IDF do not purposely attack/target Palestinians, they target Hamas, and in the process there are sure to be "casualties of war" and as has already been discovered, there are many so-called "innocent Palestinians" who support Hamas, so what do you expect.

 

As a gesture of goodwill Hamas could release the hostages, that's the first step, but Hamas being a terrorist organisation will not do this. That is a simple first step which could break the deadlock, so why won't Hamas do this.

For a sophisticated military force who can target the roof of a moving vehicle because some IDF soldier "thought" 3 vehicles were taken over by Hamas, why would they destroy an apartment building to target one apartment and perhaps kill the occupants and NOT kill any other people or destroy the building?

 

That IMHO, is an overkill unless they intended to do so in the first place.

 

Do you really believe that if Hamas released all the hostages that the war would instantly stop and all the IDF would return to Israel?

 

Netanyahu has said that he wants to, in his words, destroy Hamas in Gaza completely.

 

If he does, do you believe think that the war will instantly stop and all the IDF would return to Israel?

 

What if all the hostages are released, Hamas destroyed in Gaza, and the war does not stop?

 

Where will he attack next? The West bank, Lebanon. Jordan or anywhere else there are Palestinians?

 

Will Hamas keep fighting Israel and the IDF until the last warm Palestinian body in Gaza has died and then the war will be over?

 

IMHO the war will never be over until the current leadership in both Hamas AND Israel are removed, and replaced by non religious leaders with common sense, who are sick of the slaughter by BOTH sides.

 

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1 hour ago, billd766 said:

For a sophisticated military force who can target the roof of a moving vehicle because some IDF soldier "thought" 3 vehicles were taken over by Hamas, why would they destroy an apartment building to target one apartment and perhaps kill the occupants and NOT kill any other people or destroy the building?

 

That IMHO, is an overkill unless they intended to do so in the first place.

 

Do you really believe that if Hamas released all the hostages that the war would instantly stop and all the IDF would return to Israel?

 

Netanyahu has said that he wants to, in his words, destroy Hamas in Gaza completely.

 

If he does, do you believe think that the war will instantly stop and all the IDF would return to Israel?

 

What if all the hostages are released, Hamas destroyed in Gaza, and the war does not stop?

 

Where will he attack next? The West bank, Lebanon. Jordan or anywhere else there are Palestinians?

 

Will Hamas keep fighting Israel and the IDF until the last warm Palestinian body in Gaza has died and then the war will be over?

 

IMHO the war will never be over until the current leadership in both Hamas AND Israel are removed, and replaced by non religious leaders with common sense, who are sick of the slaughter by BOTH sides.

 

It looks like we are going to have to agree to disagree on this, and as for the leadership in both Israel and Hamas being replaced by non-religious leaders, well that's a pipe dream, and some.

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5 hours ago, xylophone said:

It looks like we are going to have to agree to disagree on this, and as for the leadership in both Israel and Hamas being replaced by non-religious leaders, well that's a pipe dream, and some.

Then the war will carry on and more people on both sides will die until somebody has the balls to say that enough is enough and intervene.

 

Who that will be I have no idea.

 

Personally, I think that it should be President Biden and the USA, but he and the USA have enough internal problems in this election year to cope with.

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