So the government is rightly doing a backflip on the mess caused by Mr Auntin. Its been a balls-up from the start but what do you expect from him. 

 

The solution to the problem is to only have medical cannabis distributed by clinics in Thai government hospitals throughout the country. Close ALL other retail shops

 

Its the only viable solution. The government should pay compensation to retail shops when closing. End of story. 

 

Thoughts?

3 minutes ago, advancebooking said:

So the government is rightly doing a backflip on the mess caused by Mr Auntin. Its been a balls-up from the start but what do you expect from him. 

 

The solution to the problem is to only have medical cannabis distributed by clinics in Thai government hospitals throughout the country. Close ALL other retail shops

 

Its the only viable solution. The government should pay compensation to retail shops when closing. End of story. 

 

Thoughts?

No.

Just regulate it better to not sell to underage, control imports, and get tax out of every sale.

 

8 minutes ago, advancebooking said:

 

 

Thoughts?

 

Yes, seems sensible to save the weak from themselves. Would you agree then that all alcohol should be included in the same legislation in the interests of public health and safety since it is manifestly obvious that it offers no positives to society other than the taxes the government gets from its sale.

 

All bars, and similar entertainment  establishments would not be affected since they could still sell soft drinks,shakes and coffee.

 

A real win win for public health and safety which would really make Thailand a family holiday hub.

Since alcohol and cigarettes have no medical use, and they pose definite health risks to people of all ages, then just ban those completely. In fact, ban anything that has no medical use. Hub of bans. 

Moderators... please delete all off topic posts from weed addicted members whose only argument is to compare a drug such as cannabis to alcohol and cigs. Can all people commenting on my valid opinion above, please keep to the topic. thanks

1 hour ago, advancebooking said:

Moderators... please delete all off topic posts from weed addicted members whose only argument is to compare a drug such as cannabis to alcohol and cigs. Can all people commenting on my valid opinion above, please keep to the topic. thanks

 

If you are addicted to cannabis you shouldn’t be posting topics like this. 

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

control imports

 

this is a huge undertaking. i doubt this part of the issue can be resolved when it goes far beyond cannabis imports. 

7 hours ago, advancebooking said:

Moderators... please delete all off topic posts from weed addicted members whose only argument is to compare a drug such as cannabis to alcohol and cigs. Can all people commenting on my valid opinion above, please keep to the topic. thanks

 

sounds like you need to relax. i hear cannabis is good for that. 

9 hours ago, advancebooking said:

Close ALL other retail shops

 

 

Thoughts?

In Nimman, Chiang Mai, the genie is way too out of the bottle for that to happen.

 

I'm going to estimate pot stores at 5% of all retail store frontage, partic along Nimman Road. A couple of have closed due to ineptitude, and I notice that no one else has re-rented them.

 

I almost never see a soul in these stores, even on the weekends. It's the hipster equivalent of putting an unemployable rich kid into a coffee bar biz to have something to do where he might shift a half a dozen cups a day.

 

Forget the pot heads leading a torch-lit protest to Anut's house, won't someone please, please think of the landlords? 

 

Full disclosure: I was a drooling, slobbering pothead when I got here, but got too high and have since sworn off it for good. My desire to stop others from my dismal former fate is bumping along zero.

To date I don't see any distinction between the retail shops that operate as a medical dispensary with thai traditional medicine licence vs just shops that sell recreationally, are they even being policed? 

13 hours ago, advancebooking said:

The solution to the problem is to only have medical cannabis distributed by clinics

 

You have to define "medical cannabis".

 

 

I don't think a government hospital (it's clinics and doctors) is going to prescribe and sell a product that is smoked. Many of the patients, young people with epilepsy, and elderly with palliative requirements simply cannot ingest a medicine by smoking it.

 

 

I think you'll propose extracts, pills, or oils (taken orally).

 

 

The way forward for medical cannabis requires training doctors, nurses and other health care professionals, defining specific diagnoses for which cannabis might be applicable, and producing standardized cannabis medicines. This would take a few years to implement. (Some basic steps have been taken by DTAM, Department of Traditional Meedicine within the MoPH.)

 

 

Some people are expecting Thailand to adopt a Western medical model, a patient goes to a "doctor", and says "It hurts when I do this", the doctor says ok you can buy medical cannabis. I'm not sure foreigners would qualify, maybe those with Thai social security and medical coverage. Production of "medicine" will have to be tightly controlled.

 

The Western medical model is a bit of a bait and switch. It was concocted as an interim "safe" step towards full recreational use. But some states in the U.S., Florida for example, have only a few diagnoses for which cannabis is approved.

 

http://flboardofmedicine.gov/forms/know-facts-about-qualified-physicians.pdf

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 12, 20242 yr by bamnutsak

Make all drugs illegal including alcohol and tobacco, people will not take much less drugs but they will die much more early because of bad quality drugs laced with anything and mafia will do much more money

11 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

 

You have to define "medical cannabis".

 

 

I don't think a government hospital (it's clinics and doctors) is going to prescribe and sell a product that is smoked. Many of the patients, young people with epilepsy, and elderly with palliative requirements simply cannot ingest a medicine by smoking it.

 

 

I think you'll propose extracts, pills, or oils (taken orally).

 

 

The way forward for medical cannabis requires training doctors, nurses and other health care professionals, defining specific diagnoses for which cannabis might be applicable, and producing standardized cannabis medicines. This would take a few years to implement. (Some basic steps have been taken by DTAM, Department of Traditional Meedicine within the MoPH.)

 

 

Some people are expecting Thailand to adopt a Western medical model, a patient goes to a "doctor", and says "It hurts when I do this", the doctor says ok you can buy medical cannabis. I'm not sure foreigners would qualify, maybe those with Thai social security and medical coverage. Production of "medicine" will have to be tightly controlled.

 

The Western medical model is a bit of a bait and switch. It was concocted as an interim "safe" step towards full recreational use. But some states in the U.S., Florida for example, have only a few diagnoses for which cannabis is approved.

 

http://flboardofmedicine.gov/forms/know-facts-about-qualified-physicians.pdf

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I forgot to mention that at my local govt hospital there was a dept with medical cannabis sign on the office door. Patients can queue up. I saw it last year 12 months ago. I actually think it should be the only option for thailand. 

Tax it 10% everyone wins. 

On 5/11/2024 at 8:19 PM, advancebooking said:

So the government is rightly doing a backflip on the mess caused by Mr Auntin. Its been a balls-up from the start but what do you expect from him. 

 

The solution to the problem is to only have medical cannabis distributed by clinics in Thai government hospitals throughout the country. Close ALL other retail shops

 

Its the only viable solution. The government should pay compensation to retail shops when closing. End of story. 

 

Thoughts?

 

As a healthy, informed adult I thoroughly resent being told by a government what I can and cannot imbibe. No government has any business whatsoever doing so; it is my body and it is my choice, not theirs.

 

I fully support a program of education for everybody and the provision of mental health care for people who may be at risk of drug harm. I do not support prohibition in any form; as history has repeatedly taught us, prohibition leads to greater drug harm, criminalises otherwise law abiding people and funnels vast sums money into the hands of criminal organisations.

 

In the words of Einstien: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results". I can think of no greater example of this than the ill-conceived idea of prohibition. 

 

 

Agree 100 %

Posts like this is where I am with the Thai people. Like who cares what you think about a subject like this? The only time I complain is about sites like this one (asean.com aka thaivisa) or when the government try to highlight/attack foreigners as problems, when I know for a fact foreigners are actually a small problem in Thailand and most of the problems worth talking about are home grown. I watch local news in Thailand and actually talk to people on the street. I know what's going on. Other than that I am not butting into their business or issues.  

On 5/11/2024 at 10:59 PM, advancebooking said:

Moderators... please delete all off topic posts from weed addicted members whose only argument is to compare a drug such as cannabis to alcohol and cigs. Can all people commenting on my valid opinion above, please keep to the topic. thanks

Yeah it’s a dumb ass opinion

11 hours ago, advancebooking said:

I forgot to mention that at my local govt hospital there was a dept with medical cannabis sign on the office door.

 

Yes, this is run by DTAM  https://ockt.dtam.moph.go.th/

 

Cannabis is currently approved for a limited number of conditions.

 

DMS’s guidance for the use of cannabinoids product
Medical cannabis benefits for six conditions include: neuropathic pain,
chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting, intractable epilepsy, spasticity from
multiple sclerosis, AIDS-related cachexia, and palliative care conditions
May be beneficial for conditions including generalized anxiety disorder, Parkinson
disease, Alzheimer disease, and demyelinating disease

Might be beneficial for cancer treatment, but more information and research are needed
 

 

Great idea are you stoned?

So you fall off your motorbike end up in hospital, you dont smoke tobacco, or weed end up in bed next to guy doing a bong every 10 minutes!

On 5/11/2024 at 2:19 PM, advancebooking said:

So the government is rightly doing a backflip on the mess caused by Mr Auntin. Its been a balls-up from the start but what do you expect from him. 

 

The solution to the problem is to only have medical cannabis distributed by clinics in Thai government hospitals throughout the country. Close ALL other retail shops

 

Its the only viable solution. The government should pay compensation to retail shops when closing. End of story. 

 

Thoughts?

You have come up with a solution to a problem that doesn't actually exist.

              I think its the most ridiculous suggestion I have ever heard in my life.  For starters just imagine the queues, and why only government hospitals? What is your problem with private hospitals? They are currently allowed to provide all the other services, yes even prescribing medication, that government hospitals provide.  Why do you not trust them them to distribute cannabis ?    is it because "its drugs"

               What mess are you talking about anyway?  There is no mess, are you another with an irrational aversion to neon signs, or will you be quoting  the go to reason for most on here who shout for stronger restrictions, which is the worn out cliche about "protecting the young" ?.

              Well simply enforcing the current regulations, ( not for under 21's)  would solve that problem, without impacting or inconveniencing millions of adults who use cannabis responsibly

                You seem a little bit" touchy" about similar restrictions being applied , or even suggested as appropriate for alcohol.   Says  it all in my opinion. Lay off the sangsom and you might stop dreaming up such  such rubbish

1 minute ago, mrfill said:

You have come up with a solution to a problem that doesn't actually exist.

he hasn't come up with a solution to anything other than filling a few  currently empty seats in government hospital waiting rooms!  

13 minutes ago, cowellandrew said:

Great idea are you stoned?

probably drunk, maybe the alcohol regulations actually do need tightening up. 

2 hours ago, Davedub said:

As a healthy, informed adult I thoroughly resent being told by a government what I can and cannot imbibe. No government has any business whatsoever doing so; it is my body and it is my choice, not theirs

Same goes for self righteous posters on internet forums 

On 5/11/2024 at 8:19 PM, advancebooking said:

So the government is rightly doing a backflip on the mess caused by Mr Auntin. Its been a balls-up from the start but what do you expect from him. 

 

The solution to the problem is to only have medical cannabis distributed by clinics in Thai government hospitals throughout the country. Close ALL other retail shops

 

Its the only viable solution. The government should pay compensation to retail shops when closing. End of story. 

 

Thoughts?

Well, that's what I heard in TV. 

7 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Well simply enforcing the current regulations, ( not for under 21's)  would solve that problem

 

This, so eloquently put, is the "solution".

 

Cannabis in Thailand is well-regulated. But those regulations are not enforced. The RTP seems to want an all-or-nothing approach to enforcement, so I'd rely on an alternative policing mechanism for enforcement.

 

Yes, it could be even more regulated, particularly on the product side (consistent, tested, no chemicals).

 

Maybe limit the number of distribution licenses based on population in a district/subdistrict.

 

And increase the tax to 10% with 3% going towards methamphetamine treatment/recovery centers.

 

 

23 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

 

You have to define "medical cannabis".

 

 

I don't think a government hospital (it's clinics and doctors) is going to prescribe and sell a product that is smoked. Many of the patients, young people with epilepsy, and elderly with palliative requirements simply cannot ingest a medicine by smoking it.

 

 

I think you'll propose extracts, pills, or oils (taken orally).

 

 

The way forward for medical cannabis requires training doctors, nurses and other health care professionals, defining specific diagnoses for which cannabis might be applicable, and producing standardized cannabis medicines. This would take a few years to implement. (Some basic steps have been taken by DTAM, Department of Traditional Meedicine within the MoPH.)

 

 

Some people are expecting Thailand to adopt a Western medical model, a patient goes to a "doctor", and says "It hurts when I do this", the doctor says ok you can buy medical cannabis. I'm not sure foreigners would qualify, maybe those with Thai social security and medical coverage. Production of "medicine" will have to be tightly controlled.

 

The Western medical model is a bit of a bait and switch. It was concocted as an interim "safe" step towards full recreational use. But some states in the U.S., Florida for example, have only a few diagnoses for which cannabis is approved.

 

http://flboardofmedicine.gov/forms/know-facts-about-qualified-physicians.pdf

 

I have had CBD oil from a hospital.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 5/11/2024 at 8:34 PM, Denim said:

 

Yes, seems sensible to save the weak from themselves. Would you agree then that all alcohol should be included in the same legislation in the interests of public health and safety since it is manifestly obvious that it offers no positives to society other than the taxes the government gets from its sale.

 

All bars, and similar entertainment  establishments would not be affected since they could still sell soft drinks,shakes and coffee.

 

A real win win for public health and safety which would really make Thailand a family holiday hub.

In my opinion, you are a member of the Mormons, and looking at your picture only confirms that.

Leave weed legal. Detax something and then make up for it by taxing the weed heavier. Problem solved