Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

My door is always open ....

Ukraine's isn't, they've shut it to Russia's illegal invasion. 

[beautifulthailand99]

Welecome to the New World Order where trade trumps war. Just checked https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/   - not a dickie bird.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Satellite Photos Show 'Near Total Destruction' of Ammo Depot Inside Russia

New satellite imagery shows the aftermath of Ukrainian drone strikes on a Russian ammunition storage site in Russia's Voronezh region earlier this month, according to the British government. London's Defense Ministry said on Wednesday that satellite images from July 8 showed a "destroyed" storage area and buildings at an extensive weapons and ammunition depot near the Voronezh village of Sergeevka. Newsweek has reached out to the Russian Defense Ministry for comment via email.

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-drone-strike-russia-voronezh-fire-ammunition-depot-1929534

 

 

[beautifulthailand99]

Ukrainian troops on the front line lack key supplies, particularly ammunition and drones, President Volodymyr Zelensky said on July 21.

Ammunition shortages have long been an ongoing issue in Ukraine, particularly in the first half of 2024. Over the winter months, Ukraine's Armed Forces suffered a critical shortage of artillery shells, in large part due to delays in U.S. military aid.

"What exactly is lacking ... Distribution of ammunition and a sufficient number of drones, above all," Zelensky said.

 

https://kyivindependent.com/front-line-troops-lack-ammunition-drones-zelensky-says/

[beautifulthailand99]

Julian is referring to his nickname as the "Butcher".

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/oleksandr-syrskyi-ukraine-commander-in-chief-butcher-volodymyr-zelenskyy-war-russia/

 

“Syrskyi will kill us all,” said one soldier, who like others in this story spoke on condition of being granted anonymity.

The 58-year-old Syrskyi, who until Thursday was the commander of Ukraine's ground forces, has a reputation as a hard-driving Soviet-style general who puts his men in danger to reach his military goals, said a person with knowledge of Syrskyi’s operating style.

That was highlighted by Syrskyi overseeing last year's dogged nine-month defense of Bakhmut, where Ukrainian troops suffered high casualties against relentless "meat waves" of Russian attackers before having to abandon the eastern city. That earned him the gruesome nickname of "Butcher."

[Danderman123]

17 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Difference between Russia and the west, IMO, is that Russia is in survival mode and is more on a war footing than the west, which is pretending that the war isn't affecting them. I assume that is why no western politician has declared that weapons manufacturing must be ramped up, which I can't see succeeding without convincing the voters that they are in a survival situation.

US Army and industry partners mobilize to boost US artillery production

 

Your talking points are lame today.

[beautifulthailand99]

25 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

US Army and industry partners mobilize to boost US artillery production

 

Your talking points are lame today.

Ukraine according to this report needs 20k shells per day or 600k per month. In that report you have linked they have doubled production from 14k  a month to 30k probably through overtime. So that's current max production.  "Moreover, plans are underway to build and commission new production facilities to further expand production capacity." - given staffing, training , planning etc how long will that take ? So at current rates Ukaraine gets through in 1.5 days a months enhanced production. And what do you think the Baltics and Poland will want - whatever their undoubted solidarity they will be wanting to establish deep reserves. One point of an imperfect peace, if you want to look at in this way is Europe can rearm at pace and Ukraine can a) stop the killing b) repair the holes in their infrastrucure and c) decide what a future relatuionship with Russai will look like (if any).

 

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/ukraine-s-artillery-shell-shortfall

 

Germany had 36 Patriot air defence units when it was NATO's frontline state during the Cold War and even then it relied on support from NATO allies. Today, German forces are down to 9 Patriot units, after donating three to Ukraine since the Russian invasion in 2022 and need to drastically scale up.
The cost will be considerable. Berlin just ordered four Patriot units at a price tag of 1.35 billion euros.

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/nato-finds-gaping-holes-defences-europe-2024-07-24/

[coolcarer]

Ukrainian Defenders shot down one more Russian Su-25 in Pokrovsk direction. It was trying to shell the positions of Ukrainian Defense Forces.

This is the second Russian Su-25 aircraft shot down by Warriors from Separate Mechanized Brigade named after Corporal General Mark Bezruchko.

Glory!

 

[beautifulthailand99]

https://archive.ph/jH2UW

 

To the Ukrainian supporters sitting pretty what price is too high ? If this report is true that will probably be 100s of thousands more Ukranians dead as well and for what blasted soil. Putin started it and should go back to the borders isn't the answer - he isn't and won't. Today was the hottest day in history , it's 35c in Ukraine - climate catastrophe is coming down the tracks at a pace of knots. They speak pretty much the same language they did have more in common with each other than the US who IMHO help to stir this pot and helped along with Putin to foment this terrible, senseless, pointless war. When is enough is enough ? What is even winning now - winning what ? Everybody is losing and losing big.

 

 

The chief of the general staff said that in a long war “there are no winners. It is an utter devastation for both sides and lost generations.” He was responding to questions at a land warfare conference in London about how he thought Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine would unfold and when it might end.

In a speech beforehand he said the army needed to prepare for war with an “axis of upheaval” consisting of Russia, North Korea, Iran and China in three years’ time, because of concern the countries will work together to help Moscow rearm and take on the West.

 

Walker, who is a former director of special forces and survived a Taliban bomb blast when he served in Afghanistan, said the war in Ukraine was “not going well for anyone”.

 

[Bkk Brian]

"Almost none of this technology was here in Ukraine a year ago"

 

How drones are transforming the battlefield in Ukraine and no doubt all future wars, currently around half of the battles are drones.

 

"Ukraine's army is fighting back with its own drones, and there are dozens across this stretch of front line. One Ukrainian soldier tells me every day they kill 100 Russians.
The last images from drone cameras are usually of men panicking, their arms flailing, weapons firing before they are killed. The brigade’s 37-year-old drone commander, who goes by the call sign Aeneas, says that without shelter in a building there is little chance of survival - for Russians, and his men too.
"It's the new way or a new path in modern war. In 2022 it was only infantry war and today one half is only a war of drone, a battle between Russian drones and ours," he says."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cne4vl9gy2wo

[thaibeachlovers]

On 7/24/2024 at 11:57 AM, stevenl said:

Wrong, western politicians have declared weapons manufacturing must be ramped up.

LOL. They can say whatever they like. It'll take ages to increase production- machinery doesn't magically appear, and by that time it could be all over.

Anyway, they are broke, so where is the money coming from?

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

The cost will be considerable. Berlin just ordered four Patriot units at a price tag of 1.35 billion euros.

FOUR units, oooooh that'll stop those naughty Russian missiles for sure, LOL.

Simplest thing ever to put up more drones and UAVs than there are Patriot missiles and then BOOM, no air defense left.

 

If it wasn't so sad for the Ukrainain grunts it'd be funny in a gruesome way.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

The chief of the general staff said that in a long war “there are no winners. It is an utter devastation for both sides and lost generations.” He was responding to questions at a land warfare conference in London about how he thought Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine would unfold and when it might end.

In a speech beforehand he said the army needed to prepare for war with an “axis of upheaval” consisting of Russia, North Korea, Iran and China in three years’ time, because of concern the countries will work together to help Moscow rearm and take on the West.

That was very brave of him. I mean, going against the propaganda and saying the truth could cost him his job. Politicians don't like it when they are made to look like fools.

 

Anyway, is he seriously contemplating a world war in 3 years time? Even without nukes ( and how unlikely is that? ) it's over for the west, IMO. We are broke, and fat boys don't fight well.

[frank83628]

On 7/23/2024 at 4:29 PM, RayC said:

 

I disagree. The easiest way to avoid WW3 is for Russia to withdraw unconditionally from Ukraine but, sadly, that is not going to happen.

why, so those ethnic Russians in donbass and Eastern areas can be left to fend for themselves, 14,000 died already before Putin stepped in.

[Mavideol]

not directly related to Ukraine, but it could be

North Korea Delivers Stinging Rebuke of Trump’s Comments

Patching up relations with North Korea can be added to a long list including a promise to end the war in Ukraine and to achieve peace in the Middle East.

 

 

https://au.yahoo.com/news/north-korea-delivers-stinging-rebuke-171156089.html

 

[Mavideol]

New Army Chief Issues Warning About Russia Becoming 'Very Dangerous' In Next 3 Years

https://au.yahoo.com/news/army-chief-issues-warning-russia-081848458.html

 

[Mavideol]

Ukraine-Russia latest: Putin pulls last Russian vessels from Sea of Azov as Swiss NGO office struck

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-russia-war-live-joint-033914158.html

 

[RayC]

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

why, so those ethnic Russians in donbass and Eastern areas can be left to fend for themselves, 14,000 died already before Putin stepped in.

 

14,000 - a figure which includes Russian and Ukrainian troops - have died SINCE Putin's forces escalated the conflict in Eastern Ukraine. Prior to that, the armed conflict in the region was relatively low-key. Moreover, the majority of the local population favoured a solution which gave the region greater autonomy within the Ukrainian state and did not want to become an independent nation or form part of Russia.

 

The overwhelming majority of the problems in Ukraine can be attributed to one country or, more specifically, one man: Putin.

[Tug]

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

why, so those ethnic Russians in donbass and Eastern areas can be left to fend for themselves, 14,000 died already before Putin stepped in.

Sounds a bit like hitlers excuse to invade ehh?perhaps they should return to Russia ehh?

[tgw]

3 hours ago, frank83628 said:

why, so those ethnic Russians in donbass and Eastern areas can be left to fend for themselves, 14,000 died already before Putin stepped in.

 

there are hundreds of thousands of ethnic Russians currently living in the free part of Ukraine and they are doing fine, as they also mostly were pre-2014 before Putin sent agent provocateurs to stir the sh*t.

they are also numerous in the Ukrainian army fighting against Putin.

the allegedly oppressed ethnic Russians in Ukraine ... they want Putin out of Ukraine and they risk their lives to defend Ukraine.

[frank83628]

7 hours ago, RayC said:

 

14,000 - a figure which includes Russian and Ukrainian troops - have died SINCE Putin's forces escalated the conflict in Eastern Ukraine. Prior to that, the armed conflict in the region was relatively low-key. Moreover, the majority of the local population favoured a solution which gave the region greater autonomy within the Ukrainian state and did not want to become an independent nation or form part of Russia.

 

The overwhelming majority of the problems in Ukraine can be attributed to one country or, more specifically, one man: Putin.

so, nothing to do with US interference then?

[frank83628]

6 hours ago, Tug said:

Sounds a bit like hitlers excuse to invade ehh?perhaps they should return to Russia ehh?

only to complete ____ like you. perhaps you should goto Ukraine front line

[tgw]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

so, nothing to do with US interference then?

correct

[tgw]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

only to complete ____ like you. perhaps you should goto Ukraine front line

we didn't hear that one before, you troll

[RayC]

3 hours ago, frank83628 said:

so, nothing to do with US interference then?

 

No. Nothing to do with US "interference". A war of Putin's making. Simple as.

[Gweiloman]

19 hours ago, Mavideol said:

New Army Chief Issues Warning About Russia Becoming 'Very Dangerous' In Next 3 Years

https://au.yahoo.com/news/army-chief-issues-warning-russia-081848458.html

 

The UK can’t even build a HSR and they want to double their military ability in the space of 3 years? And where will the money come from? What a joke.

[transam]

5 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

The UK can’t even build a HSR and they want to double their military ability in the space of 3 years? And where will the money come from? What a joke.

I see you are backing your country again...............🤣

[frank83628]

 

6 minutes ago, transam said:

I see you are backing your country again...............🤣

the UK is a joke these days, well has been for at least 20, not corrupt like the US, but just run by self serving idiots. the only people losing out at the citizens, but they do nothing about it apart from moan a bit. even the French have more back bone!

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I see you are trolling with your usual content and thought free micro posts again. Will you ever grow up? No need to answer. ‘Twas a rhetorical question. 

Me not having "Red" tendencies, as you do, does want to discredit those who have, you bleat from a safe haven free country, do your parents know your secret....😬

[frank83628]

8 hours ago, RayC said:

 

No. Nothing to do with US "interference". A war of Putin's making. Simple as.

so the US weren't involved in the coup back in 2014, Victoria Nuland isn't on leaked phone recording talking about who they will put in charge.... guess that never happened, Putin just wok up 24 Feb 22 and decided to invade Ukraine.