Most voters support Trumps Mass Deportation of Illegals, Pew Survey

[riclag]

56%  of all registered voters strongly or somewhat favor mass deportations of 

immigrants living in the country illegally.

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/

 

If harris is Potus ,I hope she adheres to

 what the majority of registered  voters agree on!

 

 

Edited October 8 by riclag

[Cameroni]

The mainstream media will paint him as Satan when it happens.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

If all "illegals" were deported, I wonder who would work in meatpacking plants, construction sites, pick fruits and vegetables in the hot sun, and perform all kinds of menial jobs that native Americans either shun or are too strung out on fentanyl or meth to do.

 

Even Trump hires them for his projects and facilities:  https://wapo.st/481hgNa

[riclag]

Wrong post

 

Edited October 8 by riclag

[riclag]

7 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

If all "illegals" were deported, I wonder who would work in meatpacking plants, construction sites, pick fruits and vegetables in the hot sun, and perform all kinds of menial jobs that native Americans either shun or are too strung out on fentanyl or meth to do.

 

Even Trump hires them for his projects and facilities:  https://wapo.st/481hgNa

4 year old bias paywall article!

Probably another hit piece taken out of context 

 

Edited October 8 by riclag

[Jingthing]

Yeah they'll really love it when produce prices double and all their favorite restaurants close.

 

Next 

...

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

4 year old bias paywall article!

Probably another hit piece taken out of context 

 

 

An article's age doesn't render the content false. Unfortunately, fact-checked journalism is often behind paywalls while conspiracy theories usually aren't. I guess that's one of the reasons why conspiracy theories gain so many adherents.

 

Here's discussion of the article and it's not behind a paywall. https://thehill.com/latino/429136-more-than-100-undocumented-immigrants-worked-at-trumps-bedminster-resort-during/

 

 

[riclag]

19 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

The mainstream media will paint him as Satan when it happens.

Thats why it has to be done legally !

But the left will try desperately to block his advances!

Just look at the money & time invested 

to bring them here!

Years in the making & billions of billions of tax payers money squandered .

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/illegal-immigration-costs-us-taxpayers-151-billion-year-study-finds

[Cameroni]

If Trump can get that done it will change the world. Other countries will copy it.

 

But I fear there will be a ton of opposition in the US to get it done.

[riclag]

10 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

If Trump can get that done it will change the world. Other countries will copy it.

 

But I fear there will be a ton of opposition in the US to get it done.

He has to use Obama’s method of deporting 3 + million with legal improv’s while using caution of the lefts attempts to blocking him in the courts.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-can-learn-controversial-uk-policy-first-migrants-rounded-deportation-expert-say

Edited October 8 by riclag

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

9 minutes ago, riclag said:

Thats why it has to be done legally !

But the left will try desperately to block his advances!

Just look at the money & time invested 

to bring them here!

Years in the making & billions of billions of tax payers money squandered .

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/illegal-immigration-costs-us-taxpayers-151-billion-year-study-finds

 

Legally or not, the consequences to the US economy would be huge.

 

Attempts at mass deportation will also be blocked by the right wing who own businesses that depend upon the cheap and docile labor that "illegals" provide.

 

The vast majority of the "illegals" came of their own volition and on their own dime. Nobody "brought them here". The only people who were "brought here" came via the Middle Passage long ago. But that's another issue entirely.

 

 

 

 

[Hanaguma]

30 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

If all "illegals" were deported, I wonder who would work in meatpacking plants, construction sites, pick fruits and vegetables in the hot sun, and perform all kinds of menial jobs that native Americans either shun or are too strung out on fentanyl or meth to do.

 

Even Trump hires them for his projects and facilities:  https://wapo.st/481hgNa

Not this tired old shibboleth.

The people who do the work will be the ones who do it in other countries, and the ones who used to do it in the USA. Citizens and legal residents.  There is no need to import a permanent underclass of people, who will be vulnerable to exploitation.  Most people would be happy to pay an extra quarter for a head of lettuce if it meant that it was picked by a legal worker. Or an extra 3 bucks for a hotel room if it were cleaned by someone who is not in the country illegally. 

 

[riclag]

12 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

Legally or not, the consequences to the US economy would be huge.

 

Attempts at mass deportation will also be blocked by the right wing who own businesses that depend upon the cheap and docile labor that "illegals" provide.

 

The vast majority of the "illegals" came of their own volition and on their own dime. Nobody "brought them here". The only people who were "brought here" came via the Middle Passage long ago. But that's another issue entirely.

 

 

 

 

Start with the unvetted & criminal ones that came through under biden/ harris!

Deal with the families the same as Obama.Surly the left will allow obama style law.

 

“The Obama administration’s strategy was to expedite deportations of refugee children oftentimes without a lawyer, and jail refugee mothers with children as a deterrent,” said Matthew Kolken, an immigration lawyer whose clients include children seeking political asylum. “Yes, Trump’s zero-tolerance policy is concerning, but it isn’t a huge departure from what we saw under Obama, as 52 percent of all federal criminal prosecutions were for immigration related crimes when he left office.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/years-of-backlash-obama-policy-on-illegal-immigrants-children-was-also-slammed-by-critics

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

Just now, Hanaguma said:

Not this tired old shibboleth.

The people who do the work will be the ones who do it in other countries, and the ones who used to do it in the USA. Citizens and legal residents.  There is no need to import a permanent underclass of people, who will be vulnerable to exploitation.  Most people would be happy to pay an extra quarter for a head of lettuce if it meant that it was picked by a legal worker. Or an extra 3 bucks for a hotel room if it were cleaned by someone who is not in the country illegally. 

 

 

 

Here are a couple of articles that discuss both the direct costs to deport "illegals" and the indirect costs that mass deportation would have on the economy.

 

 https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/mass-deportation

https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/2024/mass-deportations-would-harm-us-economy

 

This isn't a tired old shibboleth.

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

 

Here are a couple of articles that discuss both the direct costs to deport "illegals" and the indirect costs that mass deportation would have on the economy.

 

 https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/mass-deportation

https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/2024/mass-deportations-would-harm-us-economy

 

This isn't a tired old shibboleth.

Of course it is. The usual drivel about illegal immigrants "doing jobs that Americans won't do". That is demeaning to both the immigrants AND Americans. The truth is that there are no jobs like that. BUT there are jobs that legal residents and Americans won't do for the wages offered. Employers are simply undercutting the labour market by underpaying their illegal staff. And that is not good for anyone.

 

The left likes to go on about "fair" and "fair share". What is fair about Americans enjoying prices that have been artificially lowered by exploiting workers? If employers paid a fair wage, based on the conditions of the labour market, there would be no jobs left unfilled.  The federal government merely has to play its part by not allowing the market to be influenced by illegal practices. And also provide incentives for legal residents and citizens to work rather than depend on handouts from the state. 

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

3 minutes ago, riclag said:

Start with the unvetted & criminal ones that came through under biden/ harris!

Deal with the families the same as Obama.Surly the left will allow obama style law.

 

“The Obama administration’s strategy was to expedite deportations of refugee children oftentimes without a lawyer, and jail refugee mothers with children as a deterrent,” said Matthew Kolken, an immigration lawyer whose clients include children seeking political asylum. “Yes, Trump’s zero-tolerance policy is concerning, but it isn’t a huge departure from what we saw under Obama, as 52 percent of all federal criminal prosecutions were for immigration related crimes when he left office.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/years-of-backlash-obama-policy-on-illegal-immigrants-children-was-also-slammed-by-critics

 

I have no issue with screening and deporting immigrants that commit non-immigration related felonies in the US or have criminal records in their home countries. That's selective deportation, not mass deportation as Donald Trump is calling for. It doesn't matter which administration was in power when they entered the US or committed a felony.

 

Whether done by a Democrat or Republican administration, jailing mothers with small children for immigration offenses is wrong.

[riclag]

20 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Not this tired old shibboleth.

The people who do the work will be the ones who do it in other countries, and the ones who used to do it in the USA. Citizens and legal residents.  There is no need to import a permanent underclass of people, who will be vulnerable to exploitation.  Most people would be happy to pay an extra quarter for a head of lettuce if it meant that it was picked by a legal worker. Or an extra 3 bucks for a hotel room if it were cleaned by someone who is not in the country illegally. 

 

Ya gotta laugh at the left for excusing 

biden /harris & the Impeached Mayorkis for abusing mass illegal Immigration .

old article from Fox:

“Border officials have been overwhelmed, and furious at the Biden administration's policies, while Republicans have pinned blame on the administration's rollback of Trump-era border protections and reduced interior enforcement”.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/harris-biden-migration-policy-overnight-border-crisis-rages

 

 

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Of course it is. The usual drivel about illegal immigrants "doing jobs that Americans won't do". That is demeaning to both the immigrants AND Americans. The truth is that there are no jobs like that. BUT there are jobs that legal residents and Americans won't do for the wages offered. Employers are simply undercutting the labour market by underpaying their illegal staff. And that is not good for anyone.

 

The left likes to go on about "fair" and "fair share". What is fair about Americans enjoying prices that have been artificially lowered by exploiting workers? If employers paid a fair wage, based on the conditions of the labour market, there would be no jobs left unfilled.  The federal government merely has to play its part by not allowing the market to be influenced by illegal practices. And also provide incentives for legal residents and citizens to work rather than depend on handouts from the state. 

 

Can you provide a link to an article from a credible source that discusses where this native American or legal alien workforce will come from?

[Hanaguma]

20 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

I have no issue with screening and deporting immigrants that commit non-immigration related felonies in the US or have criminal records in their home countries. That's selective deportation, not mass deportation as Donald Trump is calling for. It doesn't matter which administration was in power when they entered the US or committed a felony.

 

Whether done by a Democrat or Republican administration, jailing mothers with small children for immigration offenses is wrong.

So, only deport after committing a felony? Misdemeanor not serious enough? And there is really no way to discover any criminal past they may have had back in their homeland. Plus the lack of cooperation offered by many local governments makes this impossible. But I am sure you agree that the first step must be to close the border to all illegals, and to keep any asylum seekers in detention until their cases can be heard. Otherwise, the government is just trying to bail out a leaky boat with a teaspoon.

[proton]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

The mainstream media will paint him as Satan when it happens.

 Yes, even though Saint Obama did exactly the same thing

[riclag]

Did you see the dems reaction to

the survey-more then 80% disapproval 

of deportation ! 
 Theres no winning with radicals who approve of illegal border entry!

They would even get angered at deportation of hard core criminals and gang members too, I bet!

[riclag]

Just now, proton said:

 Yes, even though Saint Obama did exactly the same thing

Yes i was thinking the same , Obama the saint! 
Chief of the progressives!

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

Did you see the dems reaction to

the survey-more then 80% disapproval 

of deportation ! 
 Theres no winning with radicals who approve of illegal border entry!

They would even get angered at deportation of hard core criminals and gang members too, I bet!

You're wrong.

The question was mass deportation.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

The mainstream media will paint him as Satan when it happens.

He will be painted by history as an instigator of an economic disaster should he actually do it. Several industries in the United States depend heavily on undocumented workers.

[Jingthing]

Obama did do lots of deportations 

But nothing like the extremlst Trump proposal where he's trying to do Operation Wetback 2.0

 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

He will be painted by history as an instigator of an economic disaster should he actually do it. Several industries in the United States depend heavily on undocumented workers.

Agreed.

[Cameroni]

17 minutes ago, placeholder said:

He will be painted by history as an instigator of an economic disaster should he actually do it. Several industries in the United States depend heavily on undocumented workers.

 

Which ones are of particular concern to you?

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

40 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

So, only deport after committing a felony? Misdemeanor not serious enough? And there is really no way to discover any criminal past they may have had back in their homeland. Plus the lack of cooperation offered by many local governments makes this impossible. But I am sure you agree that the first step must be to close the border to all illegals, and to keep any asylum seekers in detention until their cases can be heard. Otherwise, the government is just trying to bail out a leaky boat with a teaspoon.

 

Felony, certainly. Misdemeanor? I would suggest applying the same standard as is used for non-citizens lawfully in the US. Some misdemeanors are deportable offenses, some are not always so.

 

I agree that stricter border controls are necessary. A law was formulated to work towards that. It had bipartisan support including many Trump supporters in congress, but Trump killed it because it would destroy one of his talking points for his re-election campaign. 

 

Not sure about asylum seekers. Seekers of asylum due to political persecution at the hand of the government of their home country shouldn't be imprisoned. I'm thinking of those who were fortunate enough to leave Nazi Germany in the 1930s or defectors from the Soviet Union and similar. I suspect that there are similar situations today.I'm not sure that asylum is appropriate for those who are in reality economic migrants or are simply trying to get away from lawlessness in their home countries. 

 

I think a distinction needs to be made between having effective immigration policies, including better control of the border, and mass deportations.

Edited October 8 by Etaoin Shrdlu

[placeholder]

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Which ones are of particular concern to you?

Whether or not they are a particular concern to me is besides the point. Agriculture including dairy and meat processing depend heavily on undocumented workers. As does housing construction and repair. Construction workers will be particularly in demand following the destruction wrought by Helene and most likely Milton.

[Cameroni]

18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Whether or not they are a particular concern to me is besides the point. Agriculture including dairy and meat processing depend heavily on undocumented workers. As does housing construction and repair. Construction workers will be particularly in demand following the destruction wrought by Helene and most likely Milton.

 

Undocumented immigrants only contribute 10% to the total output of those industries. That won't be impossible to survive for most.

 

"Those include agriculture, leisure and hospitality and construction, where undocumented workers contribute roughly 10% of those industries’ total output, according to Queens College labor economist Francesc Ortega, who has published numerous papers on the economics of immigration.!

 

" these workers could be replaced by the more than seven million working-age men who are legally in the country but not in the labor force."

 

Inreased mechanization will be another way companies will deal with it.

 

https://immigrantfood.com/mass-deportation-would-hit-these-industries-the-hardest/