Jump to content

Trump gets an Deportation Set-back


Recommended Posts

Posted
3 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but that Act was created following normal protocol not as an executive order or just deciding in a whim, right?

An actual law, not an executive order.  Of course, so was the Alien Exclusion Act. 

  • Like 1
Posted
34 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Go ahead.  Make us a flowchart.

 

Did you ever hear the term "variable due process"?   Or do you want to twist logic and contend that all due process is the same because it's called due process?  

It is all the same with various decision points.

Posted
16 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

It is all the same with various decision points.

Not exactly.  Due process may mean "whatever process is due" under the circumstances, but sometimes, it's not just that a decision is made at a certain point, but that it's all you get under that particular setup.  For example, under the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) of 1996, hearing rights may be limited, or, a person's formal appeal process may be curtailed.   In other words, the process stops, not because a decision has been made, but because that's all the process available. 

Posted
1 minute ago, jas007 said:

Not exactly.  Due process may mean "whatever process is due" under the circumstances, but sometimes, it's not just that a decision is made at a certain point, but that it's all you get under that particular setup.  For example, under the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) of 1996, hearing rights may be limited, or, a person's formal appeal process may be curtailed.   In other words, the process stops, not because a decision has been made, but because that's all the process available. 

And multiple processes can be layered into a larger process.

Posted
5 hours ago, placeholder said:

The people of the United States elected a President. Not a dictator.


Agreed!  Trump is a great President.

 

Not a dictator.  Only in the minds of Democrats, not the people who elected him.

 

Meanwhile lefty Democrats are having a meltdown.  Yep!

 

 

Posted
4 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:


You’ve proven nothing except stating your opinion.

And you have not read the judgements of the district and Supreme Court. Stop hiding behind deliberate ignorance.

Posted
5 hours ago, mogandave said:

But not the same legal process. 

 

All of the sudden, the left cares about the law, too funny. 

 

Yes, the same legal process. As the Supreme Court said, in one of their recent rulings on the Abrego Garcia case:

 

Quote

“It is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law” 

 

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a931_2c83.pdf

Posted
18 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

And you have not read the judgements of the district and Supreme Court. Stop hiding behind deliberate ignorance.


From a real Border Czar, Tom Homan.  Not the  fake one under the Biden administration, Kamala who visited the border area ONCE. and never left the tarmac.

 

Speaking of your revered judges, regardless who appointed them.  Turns out they’re not so law abiding after all.

 

 

  • Haha 2
Posted
2 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Another misinformed leftist.

 

Even the Tesla Torchers?  Or are they exempt from prosecution?

You don't appear to understand what "due process" means. Due process doesn't mean being immune from prosecution, it means that a person's legal rights are respected and that the government must follow a prescribed process when taking actions that could affect their rights, such as (for instance) when prosecuting them for a crime.

Posted
3 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:


He got his!  That’s why he’s back home in El Salvador.

 

 

Not charged, not adjudicated, no hearing, no due process. The video is a misdirection.

Posted
9 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

You don't appear to understand what "due process" means. Due process doesn't mean being immune from prosecution, it means that a person's legal rights are respected and that the government must follow a prescribed process when taking actions that could affect their rights, such as (for instance) when prosecuting them for a crime.


Oh, I completely understand.  For U.S. Citizens.

 

No go for illegal aliens.

 

What confuses you?  Illegal or alien?

Posted
10 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Not charged, not adjudicated, no hearing, no due process. The video is a misdirection.


According to you.  I get it.

 

Not for the vast majority that voted Trump in office for this specific purpose, amongst others.

Posted
6 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:


According to you.  I get it.

 

Not for the vast majority that voted Trump in office for this specific purpose, amongst others.

What vast majority would that be? Trump didn't even win a majority of the votes, much less a vast one.

Posted
10 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:


Oh, I completely understand.  For U.S. Citizens.

 

No go for illegal aliens.

 

What confuses you?  Illegal or alien?

It's a pretty good bet that the Supreme Court feels differently. They took the unusual step of intervening to stop the deportation of those Venezuelans to El Salvador.

  • Thumbs Up 1
Posted
19 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What vast majority would that be? Trump didn't even win a majority of the votes, much less a vast one.

Are you that draft?  Landslide electoral and majority of the popular .

 

News flash:  that’s why Trump is President and Harris isn’t. 
 

Many are still having a hard time accepting the fact.

 

There is no cure .

  • Thumbs Down 1
Posted
18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's a pretty good bet that the Supreme Court feels differently. They took the unusual step of intervening to stop the deportation of those Venezuelans to El Salvador.

 
Venezuela sounds like a great place for removed/deported Venezuelans.  
 

I have no issue with that.

Posted
32 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:


Oh, I completely understand.  For U.S. Citizens.

 

No go for illegal aliens.

 

What confuses you?  Illegal or alien?

You're the one who's confused. As the extract from the Supreme Court ruling I quoted earlier states, even illegal aliens must be afforded due process.

 

In case that wasn't clear enough for you, the following law journal article also states it, quite unequivocally.

 

https://www.lawshelf.com/blogentryview/the-due-process-rights-of-illegal-entrants-to-the-united-states

 

Quote

Two Supreme Court cases dating back to the late nineteenth century have established that non-citizens, even those who are in the United States illegally, are also guaranteed due process of the law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

(Emphasis mine).

Posted

Posts with inflammatory insulting comments and the replies have been removed.

 

 @Dan O:

  • Be polite and respectful to other users.
  • Avoid flaming, trolling, or stalking other members.
Posted
28 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Are you that draft?  Landslide electoral and majority of the popular .

 

News flash:  that’s why Trump is President and Harris isn’t. 
 

Many are still having a hard time accepting the fact.

 

There is no cure .

How many times does it take for Trump supporters to accept the fact that Trump did not win a majority of the popular vote much less a vast majority. He went up plurality of the popular vote.  This has been posted in this forum many many times. Next you will be telling us that the 2020 election was stolen from him. Nah just kidding. Not even you would go that far.

Posted
9 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

You're the one who's confused. As the extract from the Supreme Court ruling I quoted earlier states, even illegal aliens must be afforded due process.

 

In case that wasn't clear enough for you, the following law journal article also states it, quite unequivocally.

 

https://www.lawshelf.com/blogentryview/the-due-process-rights-of-illegal-entrants-to-the-united-states

 

(Emphasis mine).


And the murder victims of the illegal aliens due is guaranteed by who?

Posted
7 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

And the murder victims of the illegal aliens due is guaranteed by who?

Sorry, that doesn't even make any sense. What does, "murder victims of the illegal aliens due," mean?

Posted
10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

How many times does it take for Trump supporters to accept the fact that Trump pump did not win a majority of the popular vote much less a vast majority. He went up plurality of the popular vote.  This has been posted in this forum many many times. Next you will be telling us that the 2020 election was stolen from him. Nah just kidding. Not even you would go that far.


How did you do in math class?

 

Last  I heard 77 (Trump) is greater than 75 (Harris) (millions).

 

And 312 is greater than 226.

 

Remedial mathematics for you.

 

As I stated, exactly why Harris isn’t President.

Along with there is no cure.

 

I even threw you a bone.  From CNN.  You’re welcome.

 

 

IMG_6633.jpeg

IMG_6634.jpeg

Posted
12 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Sorry, that doesn't even make any sense. What does, "murder victims of the illegal aliens due," mean?

Due process.  Typo 

 

I thought you might be intelligent enough to figure that out.

 

I assumed wrong.

Posted
12 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:


And the murder victims of the illegal aliens due is guaranteed by who?

But if you meant, "who guarantees the due process rights of the murder victims of illegal aliens," then again, you haven't understood what"due process" means.

 

Due process applies when a person is subject to certain proceedings by the government, such as prosecution for a crime. It doesn't apply to someone who is dead, they tend not to get prosecuted, as a general rule.

 

Posted
8 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:


How did you do in math class?

 

Last  I heard 77 (Trump) is greater than 75 (Harris) (millions).

 

And 312 is greater than 226.

 

Remedial mathematics for you.

 

As I stated, exactly why Harris isn’t President.

Along with there is no cure.

 

I even threw you a bone.  From CNN.  You’re welcome.

 

 

IMG_6633.jpeg

IMG_6634.jpeg

Your claim was for the vast majority of people. It didn't reference electoral votes. And I can't believe you still don't understand what a plurality is and that you haven't bothered to look up the actual numbers for everyone who voted. And I don't need to ask you how you did in math class. Your answer tells me. And given that you don't understand what you claimed in the first place, that also tells me something.

Posted
21 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Your claim was for the vast majority of people. It didn't reference electoral votes. And I can't believe you still don't understand what a plurality is and that you haven't bothered to look up the actual numbers for everyone who voted. And I don't need to ask you how you did in math class. Your answer tells me. And given that you don't understand what you claimed in the first place, that also tells me something.


2 million votes is vast 

 

And you claim Trump did not win the majority of the popular vote.

 

did not win a majority”

 

Umm, he did.  2 million more.  He’s POTUS  and she’s history.

 

It hurts but time is a great healer.

Posted
9 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:


According to you.  I get it.

 

Not for the vast majority that voted Trump in office for this specific purpose, amongst others.

I don't really care about what criminals think.

 

MAGAts are a minority.

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.




×
×
  • Create New...