The effects Israel's aggressive war against Iran will have on you

[Quentin Zen]

more war, greater odds we'll see a nuclear war in our lifetime. Once that happens, none of us will experience a normal life again.

[hotsun]

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Israel too is seeking to expand. They want all of Gaza, parts of Egypt, Syria, and a lot more. Just look up Greater Israel.

 

https://mepei.com/greater-israel-an-ongoing-expansion-plan-for-the-middle-east-and-north-africa/

 

The WMD narrative is just a tried and tested red herring, the real cause of Israel 's attack on Iran is that Iran had been the source of funding for nearly all of Israel's enemies. That's why Israel is hitting Iran.

If that were their goal they could do it pretty easily. I respectfully disagree

[Cameroni]

11 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Surely, and they don’t have the numbers.

There is only so much American weapons of mass destruction can do.

They couldn’t win against Vietnam, Afghanistan etc 

Israel is setting themselves up for another big fall within 100 years of the Holocaust 

They will never learn.

 

Sadly I think you are right and the Israeli people will pay the price for the way they are treating their neighbours in the long run. There is no conceivable scenario in which Israel can exterminate all Iranians or even occupy all of Iran. However, there is a very clear scenario of Iran obtaining nuclear weapons after these initial battles are over, no matter how they end.

 

And surely all of Israel's neighbours will look at Israel with great concern. Pakistan has already said it will nuke Israel if the latter uses nuclear devices.

 

These much vaunted technological wonder weapons like the "iron dome" have been proven to be nothing but paper tigers, and incapable of protecting Israel fully. 

 

Sadly  one can see the semitic peoples being crazy enough to unleash nuclear war on each other, due to hatred or religious fanaticism. The Israeli government is filled with zealots and religious fanatics, as is Iran. So what does that say about us? Our future may be in the hands of these lunatics.

 

 

[ronnie50]

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Israel too is seeking to expand. They want all of Gaza, parts of Egypt, Syria, and a lot more. Just look up Greater Israel.

 

https://mepei.com/greater-israel-an-ongoing-expansion-plan-for-the-middle-east-and-north-africa/

 

The WMD narrative is just a tried and tested red herring, the real cause of Israel 's attack on Iran is that Iran had been the source of funding for nearly all of Israel's enemies. That's why Israel is hitting Iran.

Look at the '7 countries in 5 years' that the Pentagon was told to go after. All of them Islamic countries and all seen by Israel as some kind of threat to them. No threat at all to the United States. What's it like denying forever that Israel runs the show in DC? Even Trump had to scury back when the call came... Yo B!tch, we have more instructions for you.

[zmisha]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

In what other ways will Israel's aggressive war affect you and the wider world?

The conflict between Israel and Iran has always had a lot of theatrics. Millions of tons of missiles falling from the sky and... not a single casualty - that's the usual thing in this war.
So my prediction is - they'll make some noise and then disperse as usual. Nothing will change.

[FlorC]

Much will depend on the US entering the war.

 

Refuel planes are on the way , this means they will probably deliver

the bunker buster bombs themselves and take out missile launch sites.

Warships are on the way to prevent the closure of the straight of Hormuz.

 

Pakistan could deliver air support and air defence .

Where are the Russian S300/S400 when you need them ?

Iran needs to take out those F35's.

 

 

[Cameroni]

2 minutes ago, hotsun said:

If that were their goal they could do it pretty easily. I respectfully disagree

 

That's what they are doing now. What are the settlers doing?

 

Many Israeli politicians blieve in Greater Israel.

 

https://www.fairobserver.com/politics/the-greater-israel-plan-has-a-colossal-reach/

[Cameroni]

2 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Much will depend on the US entering the war.

 

Refuel planes are on the way , this means they will probably deliver

the bunker buster bombs themselves and take out missile launch sites.

Warships are on the way to prevent the closure of the straight of Hormuz.

 

Pakistan could deliver air support and air defence .

Where are the Russian S300/S400 when you need them ?

Iran needs to take out those F35's.

 

 

 

I was actually very surprised that Iran was able to shoot down the much vaunted F35s, Israel's most advanced fighter planes. Another case of the hype not matching reality on the battle field.

 

Russia and China could work together to arm Iran, to resist the US. However, it looks unlikely both will go that far.

 

Maybe the US will deliver the bunker buster bombs.. However, the real aim is to strike at Iran, because it financed Israel's enemies. Iran is the only country in the world with a budget for Palestinian liberation. The Israelis know they cannot prevent Iran from getting a nuclear bomb, that's why they attacked so very late, when it's really inevitable that Iran will have the bomb. The WMD narrative is another red herring, we've been there before. The aim is to weaken Iran, the financial source of all of Israel's enemies.

 

It's very clear, no matter what happens Iran can secretly proceed to acquire nuclear weapons. Indeed it has to do so now.

 

But yes, clearly America entering the war or not will have significant impact.

[FlorC]

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Sadly I think you are right and the Israeli people will pay the price for the way they are treating their neighbours in the long run. There is no conceivable scenario in which Israel can exterminate all Iranians or even occupy all of Iran. However, there is a very clear scenario of Iran obtaining nuclear weapons after these initial battles are over, no matter how they end.

 

And surely all of Israel's neighbours will look at Israel with great concern. Pakistan has already said it will nuke Israel if the latter uses nuclear devices.

 

These much vaunted technological wonder weapons like the "iron dome" have been proven to be nothing but paper tigers, and incapable of protecting Israel fully. 

 

Sadly  one can see the semitic peoples being crazy enough to unleash nuclear war on each other, due to hatred or religious fanaticism. The Israeli government is filled with zealots and religious fanatics, as is Iran. So what does that say about us? Our future may be in the hands of these lunatics.

 

 

And surely all of Israel's neighbours will look at Israel with great concern

 

And then there are the traitors like Jordan :

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/jordan-backlash-over-role-downing-iranian-missiles-heading-israel

 

The iron dome is not effective against hyper sonics which Iran has.

 

[Cameroni]

12 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

Israeli passport holders should become 'persona non grata' (PNG) worldwide - at least in the EU, UK, Australia, Canada, etc.

 

Now would certainly be a perfect pretext for Thailand to ban Israelis if they really want do that.

 

Australia has already banned former IDF soldiers from entering the country.

 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-soldiers-denied-visa-australia-following-war-crimes-questions

 

The Maldives too have banned all Israeli passport holders altogether.

[Cameroni]

3 minutes ago, FlorC said:

And surely all of Israel's neighbours will look at Israel with great concern

 

And then there are the traitors like Jordan :

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/jordan-backlash-over-role-downing-iranian-missiles-heading-israel

 

The iron dome is not effective against hyper sonics which Iran has.

 

 

Jordan has always acted in this way. No loyalty among the arabs. That's where the Jews are admirable of course, in their cohesion and support for each other. It's almost fanatical.

[FlorC]

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Now would certainly be a perfect pretext for Thailand to ban Israelis if they really want do that.

 

Australia has already banned former IDF soldiers from entering the country.

 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-soldiers-denied-visa-australia-following-war-crimes-questions

 

The Maldives too have banned all Israeli passport holders altogether.

Thailand ??

 

Didn't you read here on AN , that there are , what was it , 3.000 or 30.000 Thais in israel .

I can't find the article.

[hotsun]

17 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

That's what they are doing now. What are the settlers doing?

 

Many Israeli politicians blieve in Greater Israel.

 

https://www.fairobserver.com/politics/the-greater-israel-plan-has-a-colossal-reach/

If its true then they do deserve whatever happens to them. As far as i can tell though they are playing defense, and getting more criticism than russia for playing offense

[Cameroni]

Now  US intelligence are saying Iran was 3 years away from the bomb. So much for the weeks away urgency spun by Israel. As usual WMD lies.

 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/17/politics/israel-iran-nuclear-bomb-us-intelligence-years-away

[FlorC]

The effects Israel's aggressive war against Iran will have on you

 

First I thought you meant the effect now on me (us).

I don't like these asymetrical wars , and it gets me down a bit.

The Ukraine/Russia war is quite even , but this one sided war against 

Gaza / Lebanon / Syria / Yemen and now Iran really s-cks.

Now even more that the "no wars" Trump is going to help make it worse.

 

That oil goes up doesn't bother me.

 

[Cameroni]

9 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Thailand ??

 

Didn't you read here on AN , that there are , what was it , 3.000 or 30.000 Thais in israel .

I can't find the article.

 

I know,  Grosskapital is securing cheap labour.

 

 

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, FlorC said:

The effects Israel's aggressive war against Iran will have on you

 

First I thought you meant the effect now on me (us).

I don't like these asymetrical wars , and it gets me down a bit.

The Ukraine/Russia war is quite even , but this one sided war against 

Gaza / Lebanon / Syria / Yemen and now Iran really s-cks.

Now even more that the "no wars" Trump is going to help make it worse.

 

That oil goes up doesn't bother me.

 

 

Yes, I was really thinking in terms of direct effect on innocent third party consumers like us, the nice expats in Thailand.

 

It's not nice to saddle us with these ugly things on the news. Very inconsiderate by Israel.

[Cameroni]

11 minutes ago, hotsun said:

If its true then they do deserve whatever happens to them. As far as i can tell though they are playing defense, and getting more criticism than russia for playing offense

 

How is it defense? They  unleashed an aggressive first strike?

 

That's like saying the German attack on Gleiwitz was defense.

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

I don't think so either, though, it will depend on how things progress in the conflict. The Iranians have hit Israel surprisingly easily despite the "Iron" dome, which is clearly more of a nylon mesh dome.

 

At the moment Israel would not use a nuclear device. However, it looks like Iran is sending tons of old missiles Israel's way to deplete Israel's reserves and the intention is to strike later with the more powerful newer rockets.

 

If Iran does close the straight of Hormuz and the US get involved it could quickly become existential for Iran, who could then do some really reckless things. Which could prompt Israel to become reckless in turn. Well, even more reckless.

 

[FlorC]

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Now  US intelligence are saying Iran was 3 years away from the bomb. So much for the weeks away urgency spun by Israel. As usual WMD lies.

 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/17/politics/israel-iran-nuclear-bomb-us-intelligence-years-away

Israel has been saying this for 30 years.

According to the Jesus of information , Iran already has nukes.

And then there is always the easy way : dirty bombs.

EMP's are difficult to prevent.

[FlorC]

But Trump again he :

[hotsun]

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

How is it defense? They  unleashed an aggressive first strike?

 

That's like saying the German attack on Gleiwitz was defense.

So is iran not responsible for october 7? Seems like defense to me

[Cameroni]

Just now, hotsun said:

So is iran not responsible for october 7? Seems like defense to me

 

Yes, clearly Iran has been financing and training Hamas and all of Israel's enemies really. However, in law for something to be self defence it has to be a response to a clear and imminent threat, and also the defence has to be proportional.

 

This attack by Israel is neither.

[Hawaiian]

Just now, Hawaiian said:

 

Israel's new Barak Magen air defense system has shown to be effective.  So far it has knocked down 8 drones.  Just saying.

[hotsun]

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes, clearly Iran has been financing and training Hamas and all of Israel's enemies really. However, in law for something to be self defence it has to be a response to a clear and imminent threat, and also the defence has to be proportional.

 

This attack by Israel is neither.

Clear and imminent threat seems like a country who says once they get nukes theyre gonna nuke you. Theres nothing israel is doing that seems irrational

[Cameroni]

 

The US has gone from manufacturing intel to justify a war, to ignoring its own intelligence to justify a war. Trump ignores Tulsi Gabbard's report that Iran was not actively seeking a nuclear weapon and was 3 years away, but instead Trump sides with Benjamin Netananyahu that Iran was just weeks away.

 

How times have changed. Bush took the trouble to fake the evidence. Trump can't even be bothered and just ignores his own intel chief to side with Israel.

 

Trump is making a mistake and will be on the wrong side of history.

[Cameroni]

8 minutes ago, hotsun said:

Clear and imminent threat seems like a country who says once they get nukes theyre gonna nuke you. Theres nothing israel is doing that seems irrational

 

But even US intelligence says Iran was 3 years away from the bomb. So how was the threat imminent? 

 

Isn't Netanyahu just lying?

 

Well, it's not irrational to want to strike at the enemy that is financing your enemies. However, to provoke war with all your neighbours, some of whom are large countries like Iran, seems fairly dangerous for the future.

[Cameroni]

11 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Israel's new Barak Magen air defense system has shown to be effective.  So far it has knocked down 8 drones.  Just saying.

 

The number of civilian dead, the destroyed civilian buildings seem to tell a different story and make a mockery of the "iron dome" hype.

[Hawaiian]

18 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

The number of civilian dead, the destroyed civilian buildings seem to tell a different story and make a mockery of the "iron dome" hype.

Iron Dome has its limitations.  It can be overwhelmed if there are more incoming missiles than it can handle at one time.  Israel has never advertised the system to be infallible.  This why  Barak Magan is a welcoming addition.

[TedG]

1 hour ago, FlorC said:

 

 

Pakistan could deliver air support and air defence .

Where are the Russian S300/S400 when you need them ?

Iran needs to take out those F35's.

 

 

 

The Russian S300/S400 is ineffective.