Where would we be if trump didn’t kill the nuclear agreement with Iran

[Tug]

Sometimes I wonder were we would be now if trump had honored the agreement made by thoughtful world leaders.we all know the Iranians are  sick  of the mullas. if the sanctions had been lifted and the mullas acted up they could have been reinstated instantly…..then I think you definitely would have seen the population revolt.they also would have been less likely to supply putin with weapons.less likely to have supported the murdering killers hisbolla terrorists.

I know a lot of what if’s but the fact of the matter is now the only leverage we have left is to make war.If you bomb a people it tends to unite them not divide them….do not conflate or assume I personally support Iran I definitely don’t I just think it was a blunder to scrap the deal we wouldent be here.

[0ffshore360]

In an honest opinion I would suggest that regardless of whoever was POTUS that the same or similar outcome would have eventuated, 

As is becoming increasingly made clear it is the dictate of those who cling to the control of the global administration of wealth that determines Govt.  policies even when in total contradiction of claimed electoral public mandate.

The real danger is in the presumption of the contrived right to dominate/ subjugate another nation for anything other than demonstrable immediate threat.

Iran had/has been complying with the provisions it agreed to  while in pursuit of peaceful nuclear domestic energy development even after Trump so dramatically complied  with background directives to revoke participation on non evidential grounds.

As a nation that has survived the imposition of theological social constraints and sanctions that have only inflicted/constrained the general population and yet has developed and is currently demonstrating a capacity to defy yet again an assault by a US backed counter theological enemy is there any doubt as to the resolve ?

Is it so easy to forget the historical US supported  war between Iraq and Iran in which the US  supplied the ingredients for chemical weapons which later provided a basis for a fictional excuse to take  US dominance of Iraq and a lingering  hatred for having failed to dominate Iran?

The Persian Iranians have a united resolve to retain Nation in spite of Mullahs or the etc's !

 

 

 

 

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Sometimes I wonder were we would be now if trump had honored the agreement made by thoughtful world leaders.we all know the Iranians are  sick  of the mullas. if the sanctions had been lifted and the mullas acted up they could have been reinstated instantly…..then I think you definitely would have seen the population revolt.they also would have been less likely to supply putin with weapons.less likely to have supported the murdering killers hisbolla terrorists.

I know a lot of what if’s but the fact of the matter is now the only leverage we have left is to make war.If you bomb a people it tends to unite them not divide them….do not conflate or assume I personally support Iran I definitely don’t I just think it was a blunder to scrap the deal we wouldent be here.

And thats why you Muricans are hated around the world. Seem it hasnt bothered you until 2016-20 and the first few months of 25.

Biden was in the hot seat for 4 years, why didnt he reinstate it?

[KhaoHom]

2 hours ago, Tug said:

Sometimes I wonder were we would be now if trump had honored the agreement made by thoughtful world leaders.we all know the Iranians are  sick  of the mullas. if the sanctions had been lifted and the mullas acted up they could have been reinstated instantly…..then I think you definitely would have seen the population revolt.they also would have been less likely to supply putin with weapons.less likely to have supported the murdering killers hisbolla terrorists.

I know a lot of what if’s but the fact of the matter is now the only leverage we have left is to make war.If you bomb a people it tends to unite them not divide them….do not conflate or assume I personally support Iran I definitely don’t I just think it was a blunder to scrap the deal we wouldent be here.

 

We would be nowhere.

 

All of these machinations are simply a ruse to hide regime change.

 

This was never been about Iran's nuclear capability. EVER

 

It's been openly stated now for the last 48 hours in the United States - MSM pundits and politicians bought and paid for by Israel

 

Netanyahu has been whining about Iran's nuclear capabilities for 35 years. There are videos all over the internet now of the compilation over the last four decades of him whining and lying. 

 

Apparently the nation always a week away from "having the bomb" ... Of course Israel has many of these bombs. Double standards? Not for the Jewish state.

[Patong2021]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Sometimes I wonder were we would be now if trump had honored the agreement made by thoughtful world leaders.we all know the Iranians are  sick  of the mullas. if the sanctions had been lifted and the mullas acted up they could have been reinstated instantly…..then I think you definitely would have seen the population revolt.they also would have been less likely to supply putin with weapons.less likely to have supported the murdering killers hisbolla terrorists.

I know a lot of what if’s but the fact of the matter is now the only leverage we have left is to make war.If you bomb a people it tends to unite them not divide them….do not conflate or assume I personally support Iran I definitely don’t I just think it was a blunder to scrap the deal we wouldent be here.

 

You start off with the assumption that;

1. There was an "agreement,

2. Trump  did not honour an agreement

3. There was an agreement made by "thoughtful world leaders".

 

There was NEVER an agreement. There was never any treaty. There was a  Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) that was not even signed.  How can you call the JCPOA an agreement when it was not? 

 

JCPOA held that in return for Iran limiting its nuclear activities, sanctions would be reduced. The plan held that the USA would be allowed to verify every 90 days, that Iran was respecting the plan. Israel provided  evidence that Iran was not respecting the  plan conditions. The UAE and Saudi Arabia agreed with Israel and were opposed to the plan. The Trump administration withdrew from the Plan and proposed that a new more appropriate agreement would be used.

 

The "thoughtful" (sic) world leaders who pushed the original plan were more interested in accessing the  oil and gas, and Iran consumer markets than they were in  limiting Iran's nuclear weapons program. India, Singapore,Germany, Netherlands, Turkey, Italy, France, UAE  and South Africa had significant  investments in  Iran prior to the financial sanctions.  All of them except for UAE wanted the financial sanctions lifted. The plan was thoughtful if you mean it was intended to  provide an excuse for these foreign nations to  invest in a despotic human rights abusing  totalitarian state.

 

The only thoughtful person was President Trump who saw the Plan for what it was, a sham and a cover for profiteers.