Yes, Israel’s plan for Rafah would be a crime but international law has never protected Gaza

[Somjot]

Interesting development in this sub-forum.

 

More and more members being able to see through the lies and misinformation we all grew up with and raising their voices.

 

Leading to this echo-chamber of the "Israel is right even when it is wrong" fraction becoming increasingly uncomfortable for them and their double standard.

 

[Patong2021]

37 minutes ago, bannork said:

According to the BBC:

 

The UN's Human Rights Office has condemned the high number of civilians killed in the war in Gaza, saying its analysis shows close to 70% of verified victims over a six-month period were women and children.

 

The agency said the high number was largely due to Israel's use of weapons with wide-area effects in densely populated areas, although some deaths may have been the result of errant projectiles by Palestinian armed groups.

 

The report said it found "unprecedented" levels of international law violations, raising concerns about "war crimes and other possible atrocity crimes".

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5wel11pgdo

 

 One of the main principles of International Humanitarian Law is the rule of distinction. 'Distinction' demands that belligerents and fighters at all times distinguish between civilians and civilian objects on one hand, and combatants and military objectives on the other hand, so as to protect persons not taking part in the conflict.

Regarding an acceptable rate of casualties, I saw a recent interview with an Israeli ambassador who insisted a kill ration of one combatant to one innocent citizen was an acceptable international ratio.

However, the sheer amount of children, women and no doubt some innocent male civilian , killed by Israel in Gaza, clearly demonstrates Israel is not adhering to international law.

 

 

 

The UN Human Rights data is not reliable because;

1. It relies on data provided by Hamas.

2. It includes all deaths reported, even natural deaths and attributes them to the war.

3. It ignores the use of child soldiers and children by Hamas and others.  A boy that is able to grow hair on his body as evidence by  armpit hair is considered old enough to carry a firearm and to be deployed. Others, including  girls are used for logistics and information relay. When such people are  killed in a militarized location or in the course of their activities, they are reported as "innocent child" casualties.

4. The use of   human shields is an acknowledged practice of the militants.  Placing rocket launch sites  in residential areas, does not disallow a  neutralization of the rocket launch site, which results in non direct combatant casualties.

You ignore the illustration I provided above of civilian locations being used as hostage  detention sites and you ignore the examples of  medical personnel and journalists engaging in  acts of war.

5. The UN  group cited has a history of anti israel bias and did not initiate any action when it was aware of UN workers who were directly involved in the October 7 attack on israel. That says it all.

 

And please, using the  BBC with its established h and demonstrable bias as a source for information on Israel is a farce. It's like Al Jazeera reporting on deaths at aid distribution  sites in Gaza and  failing to disclose that casualties came from Gazan thrown grenades.

You really are not convincing anyone. The anti Israel group is already onside with you, and  no one else s going to change their opinions because of your fervent propaganda dissemination effort. If you want tomake a difference, go and volunteer at a aid center in the West Bank, or Jordan or egypt. I am sure you will be welcomed with love and fraternal respect.

[Patong2021]

9 minutes ago, Somjot said:

Interesting development in this sub-forum.

 

More and more members being able to see through the lies and misinformation we all grew up with and raising their voices.

 

Leading to this echo-chamber of the "Israel is right even when it is wrong" fraction becoming increasingly uncomfortable for them and their double standard.

 

The lies are coming from  the  barrage of unreliable biased propaganda that ignores reality, that Hamas  slaughtered Fatah followers,  and attacked Israel on October 7 starting a war, which Hamas refuses to end. They want to die as martyrs, then let them. There is a reason why the arab world has lost patience with the Gazans. Only westerners are emotionally invested in their imagined struggle.

[bannork]

13 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

 

The UN Human Rights data is not reliable because;

1. It relies on data provided by Hamas.

2. It includes all deaths reported, even natural deaths and attributes them to the war.

3. It ignores the use of child soldiers and children by Hamas and others.  A boy that is able to grow hair on his body as evidence by  armpit hair is considered old enough to carry a firearm and to be deployed. Others, including  girls are used for logistics and information relay. When such people are  killed in a militarized location or in the course of their activities, they are reported as "innocent child" casualties.

4. The use of   human shields is an acknowledged practice of the militants.  Placing rocket launch sites  in residential areas, does not disallow a  neutralization of the rocket launch site, which results in non direct combatant casualties.

You ignore the illustration I provided above of civilian locations being used as hostage  detention sites and you ignore the examples of  medical personnel and journalists engaging in  acts of war.

5. The UN  group cited has a history of anti israel bias and did not initiate any action when it was aware of UN workers who were directly involved in the October 7 attack on israel. That says it all.

 

And please, using the  BBC with its established h and demonstrable bias as a source for information on Israel is a farce. It's like Al Jazeera reporting on deaths at aid distribution  sites in Gaza and  failing to disclose that casualties came from Gazan thrown grenades.

You really are not convincing anyone. The anti Israel group is already onside with you, and  no one else s going to change their opinions because of your fervent propaganda dissemination effort. If you want tomake a difference, go and volunteer at a aid center in the West Bank, or Jordan or egypt. I am sure you will be welcomed with love and fraternal respect.

As you know Israel prevents any foreign journalists from entering Gaza.

These allegations about untrustworthy figures from the Gaza Health Ministry could be cleared up if Israel was transparent.

By the way, there could be many more civilian deaths than have been reported. Many corpses lie under rubble and have yet to be identified.

 

[Yagoda]

Keep bombing till the hostages are released and every Hamas member and supporter is dead.

[Evil Penevil]

3 hours ago, Somjot said:

Interesting development in this sub-forum.

 

More and more members being able to see through the lies and misinformation we all grew up with and raising their voices.

 

Leading to this echo-chamber of the "Israel is right even when it is wrong" fraction becoming increasingly uncomfortable for them and their double standard.

 

   

 

Believe me, no sudden burst of misinterpretation of the Gaza conflict from a pro-Hamas poster will make me uncomfortable.  In my time I  have elsewhere encountered far worse antisemitic attacks on Israel that anything the AN mods would allow.

 

What does bother me is that some BMs remain mired in age-old anti-Jewish tropes,  with criticism of Israel merely the latest manifestation of a 2,000-year hatred.  Perhaps even more distressing are the BMs who don't realize that they are expressing antisemitic ideas or how dangerous those ideas are.  The normalization of antisemitic language and opinion in Germany in the 1930s was a crucial step on the road to the Holocaust.  Never again is now!

[Yagoda]

37 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

   

 

Believe me, no sudden burst of misinterpretation of the Gaza conflict from a pro-Hamas poster will make me uncomfortable.  In my time I  have elsewhere encountered far worse antisemitic attacks on Israel that anything the AN mods would allow.

 

What does bother me is that some BMs remain mired in age-old anti-Jewish tropes,  with criticism of Israel merely the latest manifestation of a 2,000-year hatred.  Perhaps even more distressing are the BMs who don't realize that they are expressing antisemitic ideas or how dangerous those ideas are.  The normalization of antisemitic language and opinion in Germany in the 1930s was a crucial step on the road to the Holocaust.  Never again is now!

You got guys here that beleive in the Protocols

[Yagoda]

5 hours ago, Somjot said:

Interesting development in this sub-forum.

 

More and more members being able to see through the lies and misinformation we all grew up with and raising their voices.

 

Leading to this echo-chamber of the "Israel is right even when it is wrong" fraction becoming increasingly uncomfortable for them and their double standard.

 

Do you consider Hamas to be a terrorist organization?

[bannork]

2 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

   

 

Believe me, no sudden burst of misinterpretation of the Gaza conflict from a pro-Hamas poster will make me uncomfortable.  In my time I  have elsewhere encountered far worse antisemitic attacks on Israel that anything the AN mods would allow.

 

What does bother me is that some BMs remain mired in age-old anti-Jewish tropes,  with criticism of Israel merely the latest manifestation of a 2,000-year hatred.  Perhaps even more distressing are the BMs who don't realize that they are expressing antisemitic ideas or how dangerous those ideas are.  The normalization of antisemitic language and opinion in Germany in the 1930s was a crucial step on the road to the Holocaust.  Never again is now!

You've got to stop referring to the Holocaust, and indeed mentioning Jews as a race, as a blanket defence against anything Israel does.

Criticism of Israel's current actions in Gaza has nothing to do with the Holocaust or indeed the Jewish race as a whole. 

Growing up in Hull, I had many Jewish friends at school, some of their grandparents had escaped pogroms in Europe. 

I was particularly grateful to one friend who introduced me to 'Argus', the excellent album by Wishbone Ash. 

It's equally absurd to paint those criticising Israel's action on AN as Hamas supporters, wittingly or not.

What outrages onlookers is the deliberate and methodical application of suffering and repression on the entire Gaza population by the current Israeli government.

For that they deserve the world's condemnation.

 

 

[Yagoda]

3 minutes ago, bannork said:

Growing up in Hull, I had many Jewish friends at school

So did Hermann Goering.

 

Do you believe Hamas is a terrorist organization?

[Evil Penevil]

 

12 hours ago, bannork said:

You've got to stop referring to the Holocaust, and indeed mentioning Jews as a race, as a blanket defence against anything Israel does.

Criticism of Israel's current actions in Gaza has nothing to do with the Holocaust or indeed the Jewish race as a whole. 

 

I am NOT equating criticism of Israel with antisemitism.   In fact, I believe the opposite, as I wrote in an earlier post.

 

On 6/7/2025 at 10:29 AM, Evil Penevil said:

Criticism of Israel is NOT ALWAYS antisemitic.  Millions of  Jews inside and outside Israel criticize Israel's government and society on a daily basis.  Those Jews certainly aren't antisemitic, nor are many of the tens of millions of non-Jews who criticize Israel.  It's absurd to say anyone who criticizes Israel is automatically labeled as antisemitic.  It's simply not true.

 

It's the intent of the criticism that determines whether it is antisemitic.  If the goal of the criticism is to persuade listeners or readers Israel has no right to exist as the homeland of the world's Jews,  then it is antisemitic.  If its purpose is only to register disagreement with  the Israeli government's policies and actions or indicate disapproval of some aspects of Israeli society and the lifestyle of its  people, then it isn't.

 

12 hours ago, bannork said:

It's equally absurd to paint those criticising Israel's action on AN as Hamas supporters, wittingly or not.

 

It's not at all absurd to criticize those who give direct or indirect support to Hamas.  The terrorist group has said itself it benefits from expressions of support (my bold text).

Hamas Slams US Crackdown on Pro-Palestinian College Protests

"A senior official of the Palestinian Hamas movement at war with Israel has expressed support for protests being staged in solidarity with Gaza at universities across the United States and condemned efforts to crack down on them in comments shared with Newsweek.

'We in the Hamas movement believe that any popular movement demanding an end to the aggression and genocide against our people are useful and supportive activities for our cause,' Hamas spokesperson Bassem Naim told Newsweek."

https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-slams-us-crackdown-pro-palestinian-college-protests-1893962

 

If a member of AN supports Hamas' stated goal of destroying Israel, then that should be made clear.  If they are unknowingly  aiding Hamas through posts condemning Israel, then I'm right in trying to open their eyes.  Do you want to be "useful"  to Hamas and "supportive" of its cause?  

 

12 hours ago, bannork said:

What outrages onlookers is the deliberate and methodical application of suffering and repression on the entire Gaza population by the current Israeli government.

For that they deserve the world's condemnation.

 

This is the crux of our disagreement.  I see the actions taken by the IDF in Gaza as necessary for the defense of the Jewish homeland.  The nature of urban warfare and Hamas' policy of hiding its members and weapons among the civilian population are responsible for civilian deaths.  It's Hamas, not Israel and the IDF, which should be condemned for the suffering of civilians in Gaza.

[Somjot]

23 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

True, Hamas does not include every Gazan. However, the likelihood of a Gazan being allied or part of one of the other  militant groups is rather high;

  You  will never acknowledge that hundreds  if not thousands of the   so called "innocents" were in fact irregular  fighters or deeply integrated into the Gaza war machine. And even when they are not, they are tacit  participants, assisting in logistics and supply, information and support, or just used as intentional human shields by their militant families. 

 

22 hours ago, bannork said:

According to the BBC:

 

The UN's Human Rights Office has condemned the high number of civilians killed in the war in Gaza, saying its analysis shows close to 70% of verified victims over a six-month period were women and children.

 

 One of the main principles of International Humanitarian Law is the rule of distinction. 'Distinction' demands that belligerents and fighters at all times distinguish between civilians and civilian objects on one hand, and combatants and military objectives on the other hand, so as to protect persons not taking part in the conflict.

 

 

@Patong2021

I do not doubt that a huge part of Gazan population sympathizes or even supports Hamas with logistic, supply and information.

 

I mean, what do you expect from people, who have been kicked out from their land and homes and forced into Gaza, then were directly occupied from 1967 to 2005 and since then are ruled by Muslim terrorists from inside and a terror state from the outside, controlling every access by land, sea and air of that open air prison.

 

And with almost every year a 3 to 4 digit number of killed Gazans while the number of killed Israelis was always 1 or 2 digit.

 

However, this gives no armed forces the right to kill them because they do not count as combatants.

 

A combatant is someone actively fighting in a war and therefore a legitimate target for the opposing side. A combatant fighting in an armed conflict or war must be carrying arms.

 

If he has disarmed himself and capitulated, he is a prisoner of war and therefore protected by law.

 

A person who does not wear arms and does not actively take part in an armed conflict is  a civilian, no matter if or in which way he might have supported the armed forces on his side.

 

Civilians are protected under the law of war and must not be harmed. Collateral damage should be exceptional and not the rule.

 

8-year-old kids, even when collecting food no matter if for their families or for Hamas fighters are civilians and cannot intentionally be shot in the head or the chest.

 

Minors going to a market with their parents are civilians and cannot intentionally be targeted by drones.

 

A 5-year-old girl, Hind Rajab, hiding in a car next to the bodies of her murdered family is a civilian and cannot intentionally be killed.

 

Help workers approaching that girl to save her after they got permission by the IDF cannot be killed.

 

Unarmed people starving for months and reaching out for food cannot be killed even when they step out of the line because they are civilians and therefore protected by international law.

 

A 24 year old man with Down syndrome, Muhammad Bahar, is a civilian and cannot be killed by some trained dog from the IDF.

 

Elderly people are civilians and cannot be forced to put on a vest with explosives and walk into tunnels to neutralize booby traps for the IDF.

 

Unarmed help workers cannot be executed and buried with their cars because they are civilians.

 

Old people, disabled people, women and children, no matter if they have hair in their armpits or not as long as they do not carry weapons are civilians and cannot be killed.

 

I have so many more examples but I guess by now you get the point.

 

It is not only the sheer numbers of dead people in Gaza.

 

It is also the numbers of those cases which can only be described as atrocities and which should not be committed by a country, which calls itself the only democracy in the Middle East and its army the most moral army in the world.

 

That is the reason, why so many on our planet are opposing them and not because they are Jews.

 

Don't mistake being human and believing in human rights with being anti-Semitic.

 

[Somjot]

1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

 

I am NOT equating criticism of Israel with antisemitism.   In fact, I believe the opposite, as I wrote in an earlier post.

 

And yet you are opposing any person who is criticising the mass murder of Palestinians in Gaza and call them antisemitic

 

1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

It's the intent of the criticism that determines whether it is antisemitic.  If the goal of the criticism is to persuade listeners or readers Israel has no right to exist as the homeland of the world's Jews,  then it is antisemitic.  If its purpose is only to register disagreement with  the Israeli government's policies and actions or indicate disapproval of some aspects of Israeli society and the lifestyle of its  people, then it isn't.

 

Siding with the civilians in Gaza who have been killed, shot, bombed, tortured and raped and asking for those who committed these crimes to be persecuted, does not deny Israel`s right to exist.

And that is another stupid phrase which has somehow become a litmus test

Does Israel have a right to exist?

The answer is no.

No country has the right to exist, because countries do not exist.

Czechoslovakia peacefully turned into Slovakia and the Czech Republic in 1993.

So, did Czechoslovakia not have the right to exist? Are those who caused that separation criminals?

People have a right to exist.

And the people in Gaza have been denied that right for almost 2 years.

[Somjot]

1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

If a member of AN supports Hamas' stated goal of destroying Israel, then that should be made clear.  If they are unknowingly  aiding Hamas through posts condemning Israel, then I'm right in trying to open their eyes.  Do you want to be "useful"  to Hamas and "supportive" of its cause?  

 

I cannot imagine that any member in here supports the destruction of Israel.

 

Congratulations

you have just sacrificed 2 million Gazans

because basically you are saying do not criticise or condemn Israel, no matter what it does or which atrocities it commits because by doing so you are aiding Hamas, you are useful to Hamas and supportive to their cause.

[Somjot]

1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

This is the crux of our disagreement.  I see the actions taken by the IDF in Gaza as necessary for the defense of the Jewish homeland.  The nature of urban warfare and Hamas' policy of hiding its members and weapons among the civilian population are responsible for civilian deaths.  It's Hamas, not Israel and the IDF, which should be condemned for the suffering of civilians in Gaza.

If the protection of a homeland, no matter from which people, demands the intentional execution of children by shots in the head and the chest, the murdering and burying of help workers, the raping of prisoners, the execution of starving people begging for food, then maybe one day the question might come up if that homeland is really worth it

[Yagoda]

8 minutes ago, Somjot said:

I cannot imagine that any member in here supports the destruction of Israel.

Do you consider Hamas to be a terrorist organization?

[Somjot]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Do you consider Hamas to be a terrorist organization?

In the name of comradeship of AN I'd like to ask every BM in here to halt for a minute.

Our dear fellow BM @Yagoda seems to have early onset of dementia which is called Echolalia

the permanent repetition of the same question

somebody should check on him.

Does he have relatives?

I better not ask, if he has friends.

I fear the worst.

Let`s hope he`s just drunk.

😅

[Yagoda]

8 minutes ago, Somjot said:

In the name of comradeship of AN I'd like to ask every BM in here to halt for a minute.

Our dear fellow BM @Yagoda seems to have early onset of dementia which is called Echolalia

the permanent repetition of the same question

somebody should check on him.

Does he have relatives?

I better not ask, if he has friends.

I fear the worst.

Let`s hope he`s just drunk.

😅

Translation: I support a terrorist organization dedicated to killing Jews and Americans. Got it

[Evil Penevil]

 

1 hour ago, Somjot said:

And yet you are opposing any person who is criticising the mass murder of Palestinians in Gaza and call them antisemitic

 

I am opposing any person who is falsely accusing Israelis of mass murder in Gaza.  Making false accusations against Israel is indeed antisemitism. In fact, it's a hallmark of antisemitism.

 

1 hour ago, Somjot said:

Siding with the civilians in Gaza who have been killed, shot, bombed, tortured and raped and asking for those who committed these crimes to be persecuted, does not deny Israel`s right to exist.

 

3 hours ago, Somjot said:

If the protection of a homeland, no matter from which people, demands the intentional execution of children by shots in the head and the chest, the murdering and burying of help workers, the raping of prisoners, the execution of starving people begging for food, then maybe one day the question might come up if that homeland is really worth it

 

 

In medieval times, Jews were accused of poisoning wells, spreading disease and killing Christian children to obtain their blood for use in rituals.  Your list of atrocities Israeli forces are accused of committing in Gaza is simply an updating of an old string of false accusations against Jews..

 

 

1 hour ago, Somjot said:

 

And that is another stupid phrase which has somehow become a litmus test

Does Israel have a right to exist?

The answer is no.

No country has the right to exist, because countries do not exist.

Czechoslovakia peacefully turned into Slovakia and the Czech Republic in 1993.

So, did Czechoslovakia not have the right to exist? Are those who caused that separation criminals?

People have a right to exist.

And the people in Gaza have been denied that right for almost 2 years.

 

You are just playing word games with the phrase "right to exist."    The peaceful dissolution of Czechoslovakia  is an entirely different set of circumstances than the struggle of Jews to create and defend a homeland and Jewish-majority sovereign state.

 

1 hour ago, Somjot said:

I cannot imagine that any member in here supports the destruction of Israel.

 

That's optimistic.  Several posters have expressed support for the destruction of Israel, but the mods usually react if the rhetoric becomes too antisemitic.  Here's an example that doesn't go over the top:

 

On 7/7/2025 at 10:24 AM, Packer said:

Create one big Palestinian state in place of Israel.

Israeli government and armed forces completely disbanded. 

Any Israeli passport holders are offered new lives in Western countries if they so wish.

All Israeli military hardware is sold to fund it.

Democratic elections with UN troops on the ground.

Timeframe: 10 years. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Somjot said:

Congratulations

you have just sacrificed 2 million Gazans

because basically you are saying do not criticise or condemn Israel, no matter what it does or which atrocities it commits because by doing so you are aiding Hamas, you are useful to Hamas and supportive to their cause.

 

 

I haven't sacrificed anyone.  Hamas' refusal to recognize Israel as a sovereign state and its repeated attacks on Israel led to military action that has cost a lot of Palestinian lives.  If condemning Hamas and hoping it's eliminated entirely from Gaza can somehow be construed as supporting Hamas,  then I guess I'm  guilty.  But in that case, I would gladly lend my support to Hezbollah, the Houthis, the IRGC of Iran, the Muslim Brotherhood, ISIS, Al Qaeda and several others.

 

[Somjot]

17 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

I am opposing any person who is falsely accusing Israelis of mass murder in Gaza.  Making false accusations against Israel is indeed antisemitism. In fact, it's a hallmark of antisemitism.

 

No, it is not.

Same as making accusations against the US and their wars in the last quarter century killing millions no matter if falsely or not isn`t anti-Christianism.

Stop using that antisemitism thing to brand people as criminals and deprive them from their right to freedom of speech. That word has lost it`s power.

How would you call the actions of Israel in Gaza. It's nothing else than mass murder if not genocide; most if not all human rights organizations have confirmed that and there is more than enough damning evidence.

Just because it does not match the picture you have drawn in your head showing Israelis as some kind of philanthropic people, unable to harm others yet always being harmed and therefore cursed with eternal victimhood doesn't make those accusations  untrue or false.

 

17 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

In medieval times, Jews were accused of poisoning wells, spreading disease and killing Christian children to obtain their blood for use in rituals.  Your list of atrocities Israeli forces are accused of committing in Gaza is simply an updating of an old string of false accusations against Jews..

 

If you really believe that the atrocities committed by Israel and the IDF in the Gaza Strip in the last 20 months are not true, then you are in a serious state of denial.

You mentioned that the normalization of anti-Semitic language was one of many steps to the Holocaust.

Then why do you not criticize the normalization of anti-Palestinian language in this forum where every criticism of Israel is judged very strictly while comments about Palestinians like “burn them all and spread the ashes in the wind” or “why use bullets just use bombs” are ok?

Is that not dangerous?

Even more so is the denial of Israeli atrocities and silencing any reports about them.

 

https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session58/a-hrc-58-crp-6.pdf

 

Israel has killed children intentionally and is still doing so.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/10/im-so-scared-please-come-hind-rajab-six-found-dead-in-gaza-12-days-after-cry-for-help

https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/the-killing-of-hind-rajab

 

Israel has raped and mistreated prisoners and is still doing so

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-palestine-prison-west-bank-palestinians-b2705046.html

 

Israel has killed those 15 help workers and buried them

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/07/middleeast/gaza-aid-workers-killed-audio-intl-invs

 

Hundreds of starving Palestinians have been shot when they were trying to get some food in those Israeli US backed distribution sites, which are guarded by the IDF so no one else could have shot at those people and there is more than enough video evidence for that.

The world has seen what is going on in Gaza and is disgusted and repelled by it.

 

https://www.hrw.org/report/2024/12/19/extermination-and-acts-genocide/israel-deliberately-depriving-palestinians-gaza

 

But you keep telling yourself that this is only because of some anti-Jewish sentiment originating from the mediaeval times, which most people never have heard about.

Same as you keep telling the fairy tale about those poor Jewish people fighting for their survival and their homeland.

Only in the actual conflict the number of killed Palestinians is about 30 times higher compared to killed Israelis as is has been in the last 8 decades plus Palestinians have constantly lost their land, stolen by Israel, even happening right now, and Israel is the one fighting for survival??

We would not allow any other country to act like that, yet Israel is doing it with impunity.

 

The Nazis valued Jewish life much lesser than German life.

Israel (and you and a few others here) value Palestinian life much lesser than Israeli life.

 

I doubt history books will judge differently. 

 

[Somjot]

23 hours ago, Somjot said:

In the name of comradeship of AN I'd like to ask every BM in here to halt for a minute.

Our dear fellow BM @Yagoda seems to have early onset of dementia which is called Echolalia

the permanent repetition of the same question

somebody should check on him.

Does he have relatives?

I better not ask, if he has friends.

I fear the worst.

Let`s hope he`s just drunk.

😅

 

23 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Translation: I support a terrorist organization dedicated to killing Jews and Americans. Got it

 

Thanks for confirming my diagnosis.

 

[Yagoda]

22 minutes ago, Somjot said:

Thanks for confirming my diagnosis.

 

OK Doc LOL.  What bothers you more, the fact that normal people view jew haters and terrorist lovers as the lowest form of humanity, or the fact the the Jews keep winning?

[Somjot]

28 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

OK Doc LOL.  What bothers you more, the fact that normal people view jew haters and terrorist lovers as the lowest form of humanity, or the fact the the Jews keep winning?

What bothers me the most is that you consider yourself normal.

 

Sorry I couldn't resist.

 

Back to your question:

 

What bothers me is the loss of innocent life, the killing of children, Palestinian same as Israeli, who will never have the chance to grow up, fall in love, have a family, watch their kids grow up and cherish all those things that we take for granted. What also bothers me is that so many of us value the lives of one people more than the lives of the other people, accepting them being killed by the tens of thousands feeling no compassion, yet even condemning those speaking out against that onslaught calling them terrorist lovers and tragically not realizing that this is a clear symptom of being brainwashed. It's just devastating.