Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Got your x-ray specs in now?

 

You think he's carrying snooker cues? 

 

Lol.

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Don't see a rifle but a shirt or bag.

 

It's a rifle bag.

 

 

 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Or possibly just a bag, which again, can be to throw anyone off so the real shooter can get away, seeing if he's caught he'll only have a bag on him and it's not against the law to climb a building and run away. That could be the same bag that other picture, of him?, showed on the stairs, and that he still had with him. The real shooter could have been in another position close by, and while they waited for this man to run, and possibly get caught, could have sneaked away unseen. Just another theory until the truth comes out.

In the absence that the ‘person of interest’ on the roof had a rifle the possibility has to be considered that he’s a patsy.

 

 

Just now, fredwiggy said:

I don't believe anyone just because he shoots. Just another shooter with an opinion. He wasn't there and no one knows his thinking or if he was actually the shooter. 

 

He is one of America's most experienced snipers. If he said this guy is no expert and he accidentally hit the neck, then this is very clear.

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

This bag is clearly an elongated, longer bag. You can see it as he throws it down before he climbs down. Second 18.

It looks like a shirt or a bag, which is what that person on the stairs had. Again, if it was a breakdown rifle stored in a bag, they would have mentioned it by now. All they said is that they found a rifle. No bag. 

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

It's a rifle bag.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly. How can people not see this?

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

It's a rifle bag.

 

 

 

 

 

 

They haven't mentioned that they found a rifle like that.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

You think he's carrying snooker cues? 

 

Lol.

 

What makes you think it's a rifle bag, 20 seconds after someone was shot with a rifle from the same roof he just descended from? 😃

 

 

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

It's a rifle bag.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You want a smudgy image to be a rifle bag despite the investigators describing his attire, t-shirt, hat, sunglasses, shoes, but omitting to mention him carrying a rifle.

 

Despite too, the only photo of his backpack is of a small bag nothing at all like a rifle bag.

42 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

As should some of the over-excited posters on this thread.  But I suspect they won't.

The Wall Street Journal Retracts Story on Ammunition ...

“According to a preliminary internal report circulated inside the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, federal and local officials recovered ammunition with the shooter’s rifle that appeared to be engraved with statements ‘expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology,'” Thrush and Barrett wrote. “But a senior law enforcement official with direct knowledge of the investigation cautioned that report had not been verified by the A.T.F. analysts, did not match other summaries of the evidence, and might turn out to have been misread or misinterpreted. In fast-moving investigations, such.

 

Conservative commentator Steven Crowder posted a screenshot of the ATF email. The post received close to 20 million views on X.

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOeotA4Ee76/

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

He is one of America's most experienced snipers. If he said this guy is no expert and he accidentally hit the neck, then this is very clear.

But he has not interviewed the killer and made his assessment on early released and limited information.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

They haven't mentioned that they found a rifle like that.

 

Gun bags hold many types of guns.

 

https://nypost.com/2025/09/11/us-news/gun-charlie-kirk-shot-with-revealed/

 

 

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Exactly. How can people not see this?

Because it’s not in the video footage released by investigators.

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You want a smudgy image to be a rifle bag despite the investigators describing his attire, t-shirt, hat, sunglasses, shoes, but omitting to mention him carrying a rifle.

 

 

Maybe it's a golf bag, specially designed to only hold 5 clubs? That would make sense. 

 

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

He is one of America's most experienced snipers. If he said this guy is no expert and he accidentally hit the neck, then this is very clear.

And again, his opinion. I know many expert shooters and after talking to them for 50 years, no one has ever said anything besides anyone can miss on any day, and also hit, and there are many reasons to miss. If he hit the top of the vest and the bullet deflected and hit the neck, which seems to be the case,  he might have been aiming at his chest, head or neck. If his gun was dead on, he might have missed his mark because the scope was bumped, Kirk moved, or yes, he was a rank beginner. Shots at 200 yards can be off inches for a lot of reasons, and someone can hit a target at that distance and all bullets into one hole, and miss a human being because they never shot at a human before. All theories until proven. 

2 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

The Wall Street Journal Retracts Story on Ammunition ...

“According to a preliminary internal report circulated inside the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, federal and local officials recovered ammunition with the shooter’s rifle that appeared to be engraved with statements ‘expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology,'” Thrush and Barrett wrote. “But a senior law enforcement official with direct knowledge of the investigation cautioned that report had not been verified by the A.T.F. analysts, did not match other summaries of the evidence, and might turn out to have been misread or misinterpreted. In fast-moving investigations, such,

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOeotA4Ee76/

 

The Wall Street Journal did not "retract" anything. They merely cautioned to use the information "with caution" because the authorities said they want to analyze the ammunition thoroughly. The relevant WSJ article is here:

 

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/charlie-kirk-shot/card/pdymd1sXXMSlVRhpvR4b

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Gun bags hold many types of guns.

 

https://nypost.com/2025/09/11/us-news/gun-charlie-kirk-shot-with-revealed/

 

 

I know, I sold guns for years and have hunted for 50. I'm just thinking of all possibilities instead of listening to other's opinions, some of whom likely have never shot a gun.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

he might have been aiming at his chest, head or neck

 

Sergeant Ronstadt was very clear, he was aiming for the head, missed and hit the neck.

 

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 instead of listening to other's opinions, some of whom likely have never shot a gun.

 

Ronstadt is one of America's most elite snipers, he held the world record for the longest sniper shot. He's shot sniper rifles for years. And he says this guy is an amateur and was aiming for the head, missed and hit the neck.

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9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But he has not interviewed the killer and made his assessment on early released and limited information.

 

 

He has thoroughly analyzed the killing itself.

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Sergeant Ronstadt was very clear, he was aiming for the head, missed and hit the neck.

Again, he wasn't there so he doesn't know what he was aiming at. And the rifle found wasn't a breakdown or short version but a Mauser type, not one put into a bag, which makes me think there was another shooter and that this man was a deflection to possibly get caught while the real shooter got away. They are thinking the shot came from where that person was, but it could have been 50 yards to either side with the same results. The rifle left in the woods can be a decoy, at least until they can match it with a found bullet. That would also explain the things left with the rifle , to throw off investigators. ..........

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Ronstadt is one of America's most elite snipers

Nicholas Ranstad

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Sergeant Ronstadt was very clear, he was aiming for the head, missed and hit the neck.

 

 

Ronstadt is one of America's most elite snipers, he held the world record for the longest sniper shot. He's shot sniper rifles for years. And he says this guy is an amateur and was aiming for the head, missed and hit the neck.

And he might be wrong or right. He is just making his opinion, like many others here. And I'm thinking this man wasn't the shooter anyway, like I mentioned, but just a deflection from the real shooter.

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I know, I sold guns for years and have hunted for 50. I'm just thinking of all possibilities instead of listening to other's opinions, some of whom likely have never shot a gun.

 

I've used them, mainly hunting with shotguns in the UK but also AK47's in Vietnam (as a tourist I might add, not a soldier). The only 'Nam I've "fought" in was Chelt'nam on a Friday night. 😃

 

As you know, it's similar to a golf bag in so much as you don't need a special type of golf club (gun) to go in it. 

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Again, he wasn't there so he doesn't know what he was aiming at.

 

Yes, he does. He has analyzed the killing itself.

 

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

not one put into a bag,

 

Yes, it was put in a bag. It's quite obvious on film, plus you have to put it in a bag to conceal it.

 

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

which makes me think there was another shooter and that this man was a deflection to possibly get caught while the real shooter got away.

 

Lol, that's quite a jump in imagination. Zero evidence for this.

 

 

More from the WH

 

15 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Which left wing American politicians have been assassinated lately Ray?

 

Seems it's always the right wingers getting shot. 

 

Your sense of victimhood - unfortunate term in the circumstances - and need to demonise anyone who doesn't share your political views knows no bounds does it, Jonny?

 

There has been an axe attack on Pelousi's husband and a thwarted attempted kidnapping of a Democrat senator in the last couple of years. There have been assassinations of left-wing politicians in Ecuador and Mexico. Closer to home in the recent past, Labour politician Jo Cox was murdered, as was David Amess, a Conservative politician.

 

The fact that the former two events fortunately didn't result in death, and the others happened outside of the US makes it alright, does it?

 

You - and others, both left and right - would have been better off reflecting on the effect that Charlie Kirk's murder will have on his family and how we might avoid a repeat of this tragic event, rather than trying to make political capital out of it.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

And I'm thinking this man wasn't the shooter anyway, like I mentioned, but just a deflection from the real shooter.

 

What makes you think that?

2 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Nicholas Ranstad

 

Indeed, Ranstad. Thank you Jerry.

Here's a name to watch:  Skye Valadez.

 

Photo looks about right with a haircut.

 

A transgender biological male from Utah posted a song to SoundCloud titled “Charlie Kirk Dead at 31” a month before his assassination.

 

The person behind the SoundCloud project appears to use the name Skye Valadez and identifies as “she/her” on social media.  Valadez also posted a song titled “Charlie Kirk’s Death Isn’t Enough for Me.”

 

I'll let you Google for the photos.  It's making the rounds, even in India.