Brit police useless

 

my Brit buddy told me they hate Jews as well. Arrest them for being Jewish in london

 

uk is messed up since this starmer guy came in. Trump worked this clown out already 

7 hours ago, Watawattana said:

Don't know if it was a ricochet or a thru-n-thru that hit the innocents, or indeed an inaccurate shot, but let's not blame the police and remember why they had to be there.

Yes. Since few, if any of us have been in the position of having to make a split second decision on whether to fire or not, in a highly charged and likely very frightening situation such as this, then perhaps it ill behoves us to comment until all the facts are known.

8 hours ago, ezzra said:

Not all policemen get trained in combat tactics situations. most get basic training for a foot patrol or mobile police

and it seems that the guys that were there were ordinary police. 

Ridiculous statement - if they were armed then they were not ordinary police.

8 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

The armed police who responded to the Manchester synagogue attack on October 2, 2025, were not ordinary (unarmed) cops—they were specialized Armed Response Units or Authorized Firearms Officers (AFOs) from Greater Manchester Police (GMP). These are highly trained specialists, not the standard patrol officers who make up ~97% of UK police

So you were actually at the site and know everything that went on. You know that the police let him go free on bail. The police don't have the right or the power to set anybody free on bail, where you got that idea from I have no idea. I suggest that you research the subject before posting

 

8 hours ago, PETERTHEEATER said:

I doubt that. More likely standing instructions from their political masters on what categories of offence to remand or bail.

 

Unfortunately, it is not that simple. The political masters cannot do that. The Parliament has passed the laws that are applied. Who elects Parliament? The people. And therein lies the problem. When idiots are elected as MPs, they can and will pass laws that are damaging or that are difficult to apply without causing harm. Some people love to blame politicians, but that is a feeble attempt to escape responsibility for their own failures. If there are bad laws in the UK, it is because of the people who elect the MPs who make the laws. The Starmer government is living proof of this. 

15 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Unfortunately, it is not that simple. The political masters cannot do that. The Parliament has passed the laws that are applied. Who elects Parliament? The people. And therein lies the problem. When idiots are elected as MPs, they can and will pass laws that are damaging or that are difficult to apply without causing harm. Some people love to blame politicians, but that is a feeble attempt to escape responsibility for their own failures. If there are bad laws in the UK, it is because of the people who elect the MPs who make the laws. The Starmer government is living proof of this. 

 

Oh dear, that's Democracy for you.

12 hours ago, Photoguy21 said:

I find it hard to believe. The armed police are very highly trained. Even under extreme situations they have not shot an innocent person. I find this very suspicious

 

You don't remember Jean Charles de Menezes then?
 

I think that was a tragic accident during very heightened tensions understandably, although it was a bit of a cock up when you look at the sequence of events. Although I don't blame the police given everything that had happened.

 

4 hours ago, nahkit said:

Ridiculous statement - if they were armed then they were not ordinary police.

The Yanks have that many armed officers it must get confusing who to contact when an incident occurs. Do they call out the National Guard, Special forces squad, Swat, who knows who's likely to be responding. Might as well call Ghost Busters on some of your botched attempts at taking down a bad Guy. If memory serves me your lot turned up to stop a idiot killing kids at a School and you wouldn't enter the building for an hourby the time they did enter they face many kids laying dead and the shooter offed herself.

16 hours ago, billd766 said:

So you were actually at the site and know everything that went on. You know that the police let him go free on bail. The police don't have the right or the power to set anybody free on bail, where you got that idea from I have no idea. I suggest that you research the subject before posting

 

i was no at the site, but I do know what happened and that the police did actually  let him go.

What you are writing is total garbage, you are embarrassing yourself, writing such drivel.

 

I rely on verified sources like the BBC article and UK law), and my info on Jihad Al-Shamie's case comes from official reports (e.g., police statements, GOV.UK guidance). You're wrong on the power to grant bail: UK police absolutely have the legal authority to release suspects on pre-charge bail under the Bail Act 1976 and Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (PACE). This isn't an "idea"—it's statutory law. Courts get involved only after charging or for extensions.

 

Police Authority: After arresting and interviewing a suspect (e.g., for Al-Shamie's alleged rape in 2025), if there's not enough evidence to charge immediately, police must release them—either with "no further action," "under investigation," or on pre-charge bail (also called police bail). This bail lets investigations continue while the suspect is free, with conditions like reporting to a station or no-contact orders.

 

Legal Basis: Section 3 of the Bail Act 1976 gives police (specifically, custody officers) the power to grant conditional bail if it's "necessary and proportionate" to prevent risks (e.g., flight, reoffending). PACE (Part 4) allows detention up to 24–36 hours max before release or charge—beyond that, bail kicks in.

 

Reforms: The 2017 Policing and Crime Act added a presumption against extended bail (to avoid indefinite limbo), but police still initiate it. The 2022 Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act streamlined extensions, but initial grants remain with police.

Court Role: Magistrates or judges only decide bail after charging (post-charge bail) or for extensions beyond 28 days (requires court approval). Pre-charge? That's police turf.

 

12 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

The Yanks have that many armed officers it must get confusing who to contact when an incident occurs. Do they call out the National Guard, Special forces squad, Swat, who knows who's likely to be responding. Might as well call Ghost Busters on some of your botched attempts at taking down a bad Guy. If memory serves me your lot turned up to stop a idiot killing kids at a School and you wouldn't enter the building for an hourby the time they did enter they face many kids laying dead and the shooter offed herself.

What do you mean by "your lot"?

 

The incident you are referring to was in the USA, I'm British.

 

The synagogue attack was in the UK and has nothing to do with the USA.

32 minutes ago, nahkit said:

What do you mean by "your lot"?

 

The incident you are referring to was in the USA, I'm British.

 

The synagogue attack was in the UK and has nothing to do with the USA.

The difference nahkit is if our Armed response unit is called out they act as quickly as possible and subdue the attacker the Americans hanging around dithering and when they finally get there act together body bags are delivered for the unfortunates.

Why were they using penetrative bullets? Fragmentation rounds are available.