6 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

First off, why is it that climate change denialists rely so heavily on videos?

Because NASA controls and alters the numbers.

And even report from many weather stations that no longer exist.

They give me numbers saying sea level rise, I go to the beach and see no rise.

They give me the numbers saying average temperatures rise, I experience my coldest year in Thailand.

6 hours ago, kwilco said:

really? - did they have hackers then?? - Climate change caused by human activity was first scientifically forecast in 1896 by Swedish chemist Svante Arrhenius,

Those hackers in climategate were climate change denialists. And yes, there were hackers during the time when climategate occurred. It wasn't even 20 years ago.

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Because NASA controls and alters the numbers.

And even report from many weather stations that no longer exist.

They give me numbers saying sea level rise, I go to the beach and see no rise.

They give me the numbers saying average temperatures rise, I experience my coldest year in Thailand.

You should publish your findings in The Journal of It's All About Me

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

They give me the numbers saying average temperatures rise, I experience my coldest year in Thailand.

You're full of BS.

Yes — 2025 was officially the hottest year ever recorded in Thailand.

• The Thai Meteorological Department (TMD) reported that the country’s average annual temperature in 2025 reached 28.2°C, the highest since records began.

• April 2025 was particularly extreme, with many provinces in the north and central regions exceeding 44°C, breaking local records.

• This aligns with global data: 2025 was also confirmed as the hottest year worldwide, driven by El Niño conditions and long-term climate change.

So, to answer directly: last year (2025) was indeed the hottest year in Thailand’s recorded history.

10 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Against what you call my AI generated nonsense, what do you offer in way of verifiable evidence: nothing And not everything I posted was AI. Unless you think that Blooomberg is basically an AI scam Here's the quote from Bloomberg again.

BloombergNEF Finds Global Energy Transition Investment Reached Record $2.3 Trillion in 2025, Up 8% from 2024

https://about.bnef.com/insights/clean-energy/bloombergnef-finds-global-energy-transition-investment-reached-record-2-3-trillion-in-2025-up-8-from-2024/

And this is from IRENA from 2014 to 2024

https://www.irena.org/News/articles/2025/Apr/Renewables-in-2024-5-Key-Facts-Behind-a-Record-Breaking-Year#:~:text=towards%20net%20zero-,Falling%20renewable%20costs%20mark%20the%20next%20stage%20in%20the%20global,2023's%20growth%20rate%20of%2014.3%25.

So yes, you were dead wrong in this claim of yours:

"And, no, most of the new power generation being created today is not renewable...

As for your claims about heat pumps, it's bizarre that apparently you expect others to take your word for it. Especially given that you continue to support a blatantly false claim about where most new power is coming from.

So here's something not from AI

Advancements in heat pump technology

Enabling efficient operation in sub-zero ambient temperatures

In recent years, both residential and commercial heat pumps have undergone transformative upgrades, allowing reliable operation down to -15°F (-26°C) or lower. These advancements come from sophisticated engineering solutions to tackle the challenge of providing an efficient heat pump for extreme cold weather.

Some of these solutions include technologies such as variable-speed compressors, advanced electronic controls, and techniques like enhanced vapour injection (EVI) often integrated with economizer cycles. This article explores how these technologies overcome the thermodynamic challenges of low ambient temperatures, enabling year-round performance in harsher colder climates.

https://mechanicalbusiness.com/2025/12/18/advancements-in-heat-pump-technology/

The Future of Heat Pumps: Innovation Driving the Next Generation of Heating

One of the most significant advances has been the development of high-temperature heat pumps, capable of producing water at 80–90°C. These systems unlock vast retrofit potential in older buildings and are now being deployed across Scandinavia, Germany, and the Netherlands, powering district heating networks and replacing industrial fossil fuel systems in sectors like food processing, textiles, and chemicals.

https://www.platmech.ie/the-future-of-heat-pumps

What is IRENA, who funds them, and why should we believe them?

10 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Against what you call my AI generated nonsense, what do you offer in way of verifiable evidence: nothing And not everything I posted was AI. Unless you think that Blooomberg is basically an AI scam Here's the quote from Bloomberg again.

BloombergNEF Finds Global Energy Transition Investment Reached Record $2.3 Trillion in 2025, Up 8% from 2024

https://about.bnef.com/insights/clean-energy/bloombergnef-finds-global-energy-transition-investment-reached-record-2-3-trillion-in-2025-up-8-from-2024/

And this is from IRENA from 2014 to 2024

https://www.irena.org/News/articles/2025/Apr/Renewables-in-2024-5-Key-Facts-Behind-a-Record-Breaking-Year#:~:text=towards%20net%20zero-,Falling%20renewable%20costs%20mark%20the%20next%20stage%20in%20the%20global,2023's%20growth%20rate%20of%2014.3%25.

So yes, you were dead wrong in this claim of yours:

"And, no, most of the new power generation being created today is not renewable...

As for your claims about heat pumps, it's bizarre that apparently you expect others to take your word for it. Especially given that you continue to support a blatantly false claim about where most new power is coming from.

So here's something not from AI

Advancements in heat pump technology

Enabling efficient operation in sub-zero ambient temperatures

In recent years, both residential and commercial heat pumps have undergone transformative upgrades, allowing reliable operation down to -15°F (-26°C) or lower. These advancements come from sophisticated engineering solutions to tackle the challenge of providing an efficient heat pump for extreme cold weather.

Some of these solutions include technologies such as variable-speed compressors, advanced electronic controls, and techniques like enhanced vapour injection (EVI) often integrated with economizer cycles. This article explores how these technologies overcome the thermodynamic challenges of low ambient temperatures, enabling year-round performance in harsher colder climates.

https://mechanicalbusiness.com/2025/12/18/advancements-in-heat-pump-technology/

The Future of Heat Pumps: Innovation Driving the Next Generation of Heating

One of the most significant advances has been the development of high-temperature heat pumps, capable of producing water at 80–90°C. These systems unlock vast retrofit potential in older buildings and are now being deployed across Scandinavia, Germany, and the Netherlands, powering district heating networks and replacing industrial fossil fuel systems in sectors like food processing, textiles, and chemicals.

https://www.platmech.ie/the-future-of-heat-pumps

Please post a link to one of these heat pumps.

You do not seem to have any idea how a heat exchanger works.

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

What is IRENA, who funds them, and why should we believe them?

Once again, all you offer is empty denialism. Why not try offering actual evidence for a change?

Multiple trolling posts removed. Discuss the topic and stop just flaming other posters.

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Please post a link to one of these heat pumps.

You do not seem to have any idea how a heat exchanger works.

There were lots of reports of heat pumps not working in the UK this winter because the weather was too cold, so the companies were handing out electric heaters. Google seems to have disappeared all those stories.

Just now, BritManToo said:

There were lots of reports of heat pumps not working in the UK this winter because the weather was too cold, so the companies were handing out electric heaters. Google seems to have disappeared all those stories.

When the outside temperature gets below the temperature of the outside heat exchanger, it cannot work without pre-heating.

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Because NASA controls and alters the numbers.

And even report from many weather stations that no longer exist.

They give me numbers saying sea level rise, I go to the beach and see no rise.

They give me the numbers saying average temperatures rise, I experience my coldest year in Thailand.

Thanks for not providing links to back up your claims.

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

When the outside temperature gets below the temperature of the outside heat exchanger, it cannot work without pre-heating.

Fortunately in 2021 the D.O.E. launched an effort for heat pump manufacturers to upgrade their technology and make units that could function effectively in far colder weather.

Forget what you’ve heard, heat pumps can thrive in the cold

Under a challenge convened by the US Department of Energy, manufacturers put residential heat pumps to the test in extreme cold – they passed.

Last month, DOE announced that eight manufacturers had completed field testing of products as part of the department’s Residential Cold Climate Heat Pump Challenge. In homes, the units “reliably provided heat with little assistance from auxiliary elements, even during the coldest winter periods,” according to a department press release...

The eight participating manufacturers – Bosch, Carrier, Daikin, Johnson Controls, Lennox, Midea, Rheem, and Trane – tested heat pump prototypes at Oak Ridge National Laboratory and other facilities in 2022 and 2023, with some units operating efficiently in temperatures as low as -15˚F (-26˚C). The heat pumps were then tested in homes in 10 US states and two Canadian provinces, with data collected for a full year in partnership with DOE’s Pacific Northwest National Laboratory (PNNL).

https://www.quittingcarbonmedia.com/forget-what-youve-heard-heat-pumps-can-thrive-in-the-cold/

2 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Fortunately in 2021 the D.O.E. launched an effort for heat pump manufacturers to upgrade their technology and make units that could function effectively in far colder weather.

Forget what you’ve heard, heat pumps can thrive in the cold

Under a challenge convened by the US Department of Energy, manufacturers put residential heat pumps to the test in extreme cold – they passed.

Last month, DOE announced that eight manufacturers had completed field testing of products as part of the department’s Residential Cold Climate Heat Pump Challenge. In homes, the units “reliably provided heat with little assistance from auxiliary elements, even during the coldest winter periods,” according to a department press release...

The eight participating manufacturers – Bosch, Carrier, Daikin, Johnson Controls, Lennox, Midea, Rheem, and Trane – tested heat pump prototypes at Oak Ridge National Laboratory and other facilities in 2022 and 2023, with some units operating efficiently in temperatures as low as -15˚F (-26˚C). The heat pumps were then tested in homes in 10 US states and two Canadian provinces, with data collected for a full year in partnership with DOE’s Pacific Northwest National Laboratory (PNNL).

https://www.quittingcarbonmedia.com/forget-what-youve-heard-heat-pumps-can-thrive-in-the-cold/

No need to continue regurgitating, just post a link to the new heat-pump units, I can read the specs.

There are numerous sources for climate information aside from the usual suspects like NASA.

Copernicus Climate Change Service (C3S) & ECMWF: 

Deutscher Wetterdienst (DWD) Regional Climate Centre (RCC) Node-CM: 

Berkeley Earth: 

NOAA National Centers for Environmental Information

Best to Google each and choose which you want to believe. The majority of scientists say the same story. Global warming is real. Unless you specifically look for an outlier scientist.

3 minutes ago, Purdey said:

There are numerous sources for climate information aside from the usual suspects like NASA.

Copernicus Climate Change Service (C3S) & ECMWF: 

Deutscher Wetterdienst (DWD) Regional Climate Centre (RCC) Node-CM: 

Berkeley Earth: 

NOAA National Centers for Environmental Information

Best to Google each and choose which you want to believe. The majority of scientists say the same story. Global warming is real. Unless you specifically look for an outlier scientist.

To be clear, I have never argued that global warming was not real, nor have I ever argued that man does not contribute to that warming.

Why am repeatably called a denier, most recently when I have argued that heat-pumps do not work efficiently in cold climates?

There's an anonymous poster, namely you, who imagines that someone would take their word over a published report from a trial conducted by the DOE. It is to laugh.

What makes it more laughable is that you are apparently incapable of using that article I posted to find links to these manufacturers.

Still, to humor you, here is a link to brochures for a the Zuba series from Mitsubishi which is designed for conditions faced by Canadians

https://cdn.agilitycms.com/mesca/mem-202117v1-e_zuba-catalogue.pdf

https://cdn.agilitycms.com/mesca/mem-202523-e_zubarebrandbroch_v2_lr_10.28.25.pdf

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

When the outside temperature gets below the temperature of the outside heat exchanger, it cannot work without pre-heating.

38 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Fortunately in 2021 the D.O.E. launched an effort for heat pump manufacturers to upgrade their technology and make units that could function effectively in far colder weather.

Forget what you’ve heard, heat pumps can thrive in the cold

Under a challenge convened by the US Department of Energy, manufacturers put residential heat pumps to the test in extreme cold – they passed.

Last month, DOE announced that eight manufacturers had completed field testing of products as part of the department’s Residential Cold Climate Heat Pump Challenge. In homes, the units “reliably provided heat with little assistance from auxiliary elements, even during the coldest winter periods,” according to a department press release...

The eight participating manufacturers – Bosch, Carrier, Daikin, Johnson Controls, Lennox, Midea, Rheem, and Trane – tested heat pump prototypes at Oak Ridge National Laboratory and other facilities in 2022 and 2023, with some units operating efficiently in temperatures as low as -15˚F (-26˚C). The heat pumps were then tested in homes in 10 US states and two Canadian provinces, with data collected for a full year in partnership with DOE’s Pacific Northwest National Laboratory (PNNL).

https://www.quittingcarbonmedia.com/forget-what-youve-heard-heat-pumps-can-thrive-in-the-cold/

32 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

No need to continue regurgitating, just post a link to the new heat-pump units, I can read the specs.

Don't like to proved wrong?

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Don't like to proved wrong?

It depends on what I am proven wrong about. How about you?

30 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

There's an anonymous poster, namely you, who imagines that someone would take their word over a published report from a trial conducted by the DOE. It is to laugh.

What makes it more laughable is that you are apparently incapable of using that article I posted to find links to these manufacturers.

Still, to humor you, here is a link to brochures for a the Zuba series from Mitsubishi which is designed for conditions faced by Canadians

https://cdn.agilitycms.com/mesca/mem-202117v1-e_zuba-catalogue.pdf

https://cdn.agilitycms.com/mesca/mem-202523-e_zubarebrandbroch_v2_lr_10.28.25.pdf

They look great, and I am somewhat impressed, but per their literature, their best model only works at full capacity down to -12C (-4F) and quits working at -27C (-16F). That means the house has no heat on the coldest day of the year,

Just now, Yellowtail said:

They look great, and I am somewhat impressed, but per their literature, their best model only works at full capacity down to -12C (-4F) and quits working at -27C (-16F). That means the house has no heat on the coldest day of the year,

I sent you 2 brochures. Here's info about the other one:

4 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

You're full of BS.

Yes — 2025 was officially the hottest year ever recorded in Thailand.

• The Thai Meteorological Department (TMD) reported that the country’s average annual temperature in 2025 reached 28.2°C, the highest since records began.

• April 2025 was particularly extreme, with many provinces in the north and central regions exceeding 44°C, breaking local records.

• This aligns with global data: 2025 was also confirmed as the hottest year worldwide, driven by El Niño conditions and long-term climate change.

So, to answer directly: last year (2025) was indeed the hottest year in Thailand’s recorded history.

The summary below is directly from the TMD site: https://tmd.go.th/climate/summaryyearly

Summary of general weather conditions throughout the year.

2025

In 2025, most areas of Thailand experienced higher-than-normal rainfall, with the average annual rainfall being 1,816.0 millimeters, which is 193.1 millimeters or approximately 12 percent higher than the normal value (Figure 1), ranking 9th highest in the past 75 years (1951-2025) and higher than the previous year (2024, which had 1,000 millimeters of rainfall).704.4 millimeters (which is 5% higher than the normal value). This year, Thailand's average annual temperature was 27.4 degrees Celsius, close to the 30-year average (1991-2020) or the normal value. This year's average temperature in Thailand ranks 7th out of 75 years of data (1951-2025), but lower than last year (2024, which had an average temperature of 28.5 degrees Celsius). The highest temperature recorded this year was 42.3 degrees Celsius in Mueang District, Mae Hong Son Province on April 27, 2025.

So it's you who are full of it.

1 minute ago, Alan Zweibel said:

I sent you 2 brochures. Here's info about the other one:

Yeah, they put an electric resistance heater on the outside unit, how efficient do you think that is?

And there is nothing new about using a resistance heater on the outside heat exchanger.

I think heat-pumps are great but compare the price of a heat-pump and the power to operate it to the price of a gas-furnace and power to operate it. Everyone is not rich,

Just now, Yellowtail said:

Yeah, they put an electric resistance heater on the outside unit, how efficient do you think that is?

And there is nothing new about using a resistance heater on the outside heat exchanger.

I think heat-pumps are great but compare the price of a heat-pump and the power to operate it and then compare the price of a gas-furnace and power to operate it. Everyone is not rich,

One of the factors affecting cost is the price of electricity vs. natural gas. Quebec, the most populous province in Canada, has very low electric rates. Whereas natural gas prices often spike during the winter. And over the long term who knows where gas prices are going? But renewables like wind power are getting cheaper rapidly as is battery storage.

9 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

One of the factors affecting cost is the price of electricity vs. natural gas. Quebec, the most populous province in Canada, has very low electric rates. Whereas natural gas prices often spike during the winter. And over the long term who knows where gas prices are going? But renewables like wind power are getting cheaper rapidly as is battery storage.

But renewables don't work when it's cold and overcast, essentially the whole Canadian winter.

I'm fully onboard with Solar power in Thailand, sunny 300+ days a year, it powers my entire home and car. But Canada and Northern Europe, not so much.

Not to mention, the Northern countries advocating for solar power tend to tax the Chinese products that produce it to 2x or even 3x the price. If they want me to use solar, why do they push up it's price so much?

Just now, BritManToo said:

But renewables don't work when it's cold and overcast, essentially the whole Canadian winter.

Because the wind doesn't blow and the water powering generators doesn't flow?

11 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Because the wind doesn't blow and the water powering generators doesn't flow?

It's easy to post from Google searches which no knowledge about a subject yourself.

2 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

One of the factors affecting cost is the price of electricity vs. natural gas. Quebec, the most populous province in Canada, has very low electric rates. Whereas natural gas prices often spike during the winter. And over the long term who knows where gas prices are going? But renewables like wind power are getting cheaper rapidly as is battery storage.

What are the electricity and gas prices?

And do you think the government's ban on oil and gas production has a positive or negative affect on the price?

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

It's easy to post from Google searches which no knowledge about a subject yourself.

Why do you think that anyone needs Google to know that the wind blows in the winter and that hydroelectric power keeps on chugging in winter?

In fact, I'm going to go out on limb here and guess that winds tend to blow harder in winter.

8 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

It's easy to post from Google searches which no knowledge about a subject yourself.

Hydropower is renewable so the left always includes it to skew the numbers when they are talking about solar and whatnot.

Like they go on about how much of Norway's electricity is "renewable", but never mention the renewable is it is almost all 100-year-old hydro technology.

36 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The summary below is directly from the TMD site: https://tmd.go.th/climate/summaryyearly

Summary of general weather conditions throughout the year.

2025

In 2025, most areas of Thailand experienced higher-than-normal rainfall, with the average annual rainfall being 1,816.0 millimeters, which is 193.1 millimeters or approximately 12 percent higher than the normal value (Figure 1), ranking 9th highest in the past 75 years (1951-2025) and higher than the previous year (2024, which had 1,000 millimeters of rainfall).704.4 millimeters (which is 5% higher than the normal value). This year, Thailand's average annual temperature was 27.4 degrees Celsius, close to the 30-year average (1991-2020) or the normal value. This year's average temperature in Thailand ranks 7th out of 75 years of data (1951-2025), but lower than last year (2024, which had an average temperature of 28.5 degrees Celsius). The highest temperature recorded this year was 42.3 degrees Celsius in Mueang District, Mae Hong Son Province on April 27, 2025.

So it's you who are full of it.

Actually, it’s AI who is full of it.