Looking back through my passport I think I may have been fined incorrectly.

I am on a retirement permission to stay 1 year. Been doing this for several years now.

Someone in my family in UK was poorly so I returned for a visit on 13th Jan 2025 and returned to Thailand 3rd Feb 2025 when I left Thailand I got a single entry exit visa in airport.

I normally do my 90 days online when it came to 90 day date which was early April 2025(date from before leaving in passport) it would not accept it saying go to immigration. It was right around Songkran time so I went to Loei immigration 18th April 2025. I was told I was late by a few days and fined 2000 baht (late from my original 90 day date)

So I have now been informed that when you return the 90 day clock sets to zero from the day you entered? I have only just found this out, so was I fined incorrectly and if so would they refund the 2000 baht.

Thanks in Advance

Yes you were and you'll have to ask them for money back, probably it will be your fault anyway for doing it wrong.

Did you actually fill in the TM47 form? What date did you enter for "ENTERED THAILAND ON"?

Edited June 3Jun 3 by Upnotover

6 minutes ago, br12stol said:

I have only just found this out,

After how many years here?

You can do your 90 day report 14 days before or 7 days after the designated date.

What do you mean by 'date from before leaving in Passport. The date you leave has nothing to do with 90 day reports.

I do not understand how some IOs do the 90 days when you renew Retirement Extension. My dates were 3 weeks apart, and the IO reminded me to come back to do it. Here I do not need to fill in Tm47, passport into the reader, print out new slip to keep in Passport, done.

Edited June 3Jun 3 by wil iam not

6 minutes ago, wil iam not said:

After how many years here?

You can do your 90 day report 14 days before or 7 days after the designated date.

What do you mean by 'date from before leaving in Passport. The date you leave has nothing to do with 90 day reports.

I do not understand how some IOs do the 90 days when you renew Retirement Extension. My dates were 3 weeks apart, and the IO reminded me to come back to do it

I fail to see as any of this reply is relevant to the OP. Utter drivel IMHO.

To the OP it seems you were fined inappropriately based on what you say, so maybe making a claim worth a try although I wouldn't hold my breath? Has Immigration done refund pay out to anyone before?

5 minutes ago, Palatus said:

I fail to see as any of this reply is relevant to the OP. Utter drivel IMHO.

To the OP it seems you were fined inappropriately based on what you say, so maybe making a claim worth a try although I wouldn't hold my breath? Has Immigration done refund pay out to anyone before?

Call it drivel if you want, but what I said is correct. However 90 days after 3rd February is 4th May, so he should not have been fined.

It sounds like you left the old TM47 slip in your passport, and the immigration officer didn't bother to look beyond that. You should have removed that from your passport the moment you left Thailand, as it was no longer valid. I could see it being an honest mistake, or not. Impossible to say, but better to not make it easy for them to do such things.

Edited June 3Jun 3 by BrandonJT

2 minutes ago, BrandonJT said:

It sounds like you left the old TM47 slip in your passport, and the immigration officer didn't both to look beyond that. You should have removed that from your passport the moment you left Thailand, as it was no longer valid. I could see it being an honest mistake, or not. Impossible to say, but better to not make it easy for them to do such things.

All Passport details of Visas and 90 days are in the IOs computer. The relevant date for the next 90 days will show up.

If you are returning from abroad though, previous 90 days are irrelevant, it is only from the day you returned, noting that that day is classed as Day 1.

3 minutes ago, BrandonJT said:

It sounds like you left the old TM47 slip in your passport, and the immigration officer didn't bother to look beyond that. You should have removed that from your passport the moment you left Thailand, as it was no longer valid. I could see it being an honest mistake, or not. Impossible to say, but better to not make it easy for them to do such things.

Yes, I think the OP still needs to go to Imm to get a corrected TM47 based on reentry date, so 90 days from entry and ignore the last TM47 that is now in error based on older schedule, where both the immigration officer and the passport holder made a mistake. There will be no chance of a fine refund as both parties agreed to fine and books are now closed. A lesson learned.

4 minutes ago, wil iam not said:

All Passport details of Visas and 90 days are in the IOs computer. The relevant date for the next 90 days will show up.

If you are returning from abroad though, previous 90 days are irrelevant, it is only from the day you returned, noting that that day is classed as Day 1.

What does that have to do with my post? I specifically said the officer probably did not look at anything except the slip in the passport, which should not have been there to begin with. It's dangerous leaving something like that there, and giving them a reason to fine you for no reason. I'm sure if he would have said something about it, he could have prevented the fine. But he did not say anything, and the officer was likely going based on the physical evidence they had in their hand.

4 minutes ago, Palatus said:

Yes, I think the OP still needs to go to Imm to get a corrected TM47 based on reentry date, so 90 days from entry and ignore the last TM47 that is now in error based on older schedule, where both the immigration officer and the passport holder made a mistake. There will be no chance of a fine refund as both parties agreed to fine and books are now closed. A lesson learned.

Dangerous route that. Could fine him again for not reporting properly on May 3.

2 minutes ago, BrandonJT said:

I specifically said the officer probably did not look at anything except the slip in the passport

It sounds like you left the old TM47 slip in your passport, and the immigration officer didn't bother to look beyond that. Something you do not know and are guessing.

They probably did it in order to get the Bht2000 from someone who was doing his 90 day report too early...18th April instead of 4th May. ! 555

Edited June 3Jun 3 by wil iam not

2 minutes ago, Upnotover said:

Dangerous route that. Could fine him again for not reporting properly on May 3.

Yes, the op needs to sort out the dates correctly with Immigration for 90 day reports and get back on sched would be my guess. It would be nasty if they fined twice!?

8 minutes ago, wil iam not said:

It sounds like you left the old TM47 slip in your passport, and the immigration officer didn't bother to look beyond that. Something you do not know and are guessing.

They probably did it in order to get the Bht2000 from someone who was doing his 90 day report too early...18th April instead of 4th May. ! 555

Haven't heard of a fine for early 90-day report...

28 minutes ago, BrandonJT said:

Haven't heard of a fine for early 90-day report...

Yes I agree. If I went a week or so early, they would tell me to come back during the correct time period.

We seem to be misunderstanding each other in places.

I was late ONCE in almost 20 years.

The fine was 2,000 baht. I didn't want a receipt. The agent gave 1,000 baht back to me. 😁

9 hours ago, br12stol said:

returned to Thailand 3rd Feb 2025

I normally do my 90 days online when it came to 90 day date which was early April 2025(date from before leaving in passport) it would not accept it saying go to immigration.

I went to Loei immigration 18th April 2025.

First 90-day after returning must be done in person. That is one reason why your submission flagged for office visit. Also, your report was not due yet, so you were outside the window anyway.

You now have a valid 90-day dated 18 April. Might be best to go with that schedule your next report. I would assume the new report would override the one that would be scheduled according to your entry date.

Your next will be due ~15 July. You can submit your report online 2 weeks prior.

Or you could try to submit ~ 01 May, but will likely be denied due to the 18 April report.

1 hour ago, Ricohoc said:

I was late ONCE in almost 20 years.

The fine was 2,000 baht. I didn't want a receipt. The agent gave 1,000 baht back to me. 😁

The difference is that the OP was not late.

OP, just one person's opinion.

You attended immigration and fine aside your report was made.

You would have been given an approval with new due date.

Just do your next extension online 14 days prior to that date.

Skip concerns re fine and loss of 2k.

Just cop it and save yourself issue.

That advice is biased as I deal with CW and it's a zoo let alone travel time.

12 hours ago, BrandonJT said:

It's dangerous leaving something like that there, and giving them a reason to fine you for no reason

In connection with the recent hotly-debated thread, on whether to keep these things stapled, clipped or loose in the passport, this is a win for the 'no' side.

To the OP, the time to get 'resolution' on the matter was when you were in the chair across from the IO. Don't hold your breath on the fine being returned, or acknowledgement of any mistake on their part. The mistake was yours. It's your responsibility to be aware of the 90-day system and how the day count is handled.

Edited June 3Jun 3 by rwilem

14 hours ago, wil iam not said:

After how many years here?

You can do your 90 day report 14 days before or 7 days after the designated date.

What do you mean by 'date from before leaving in Passport. The date you leave has nothing to do with 90 day reports.

I do not understand how some IOs do the 90 days when you renew Retirement Extension. My dates were 3 weeks apart, and the IO reminded me to come back to do it. Here I do not need to fill in Tm47, passport into the reader, print out new slip to keep in Passport, done.

15 and 7 but the day 1 counting means that it is indeed a calendar fortnight

21 hours ago, br12stol said:

So I have now been informed that when you return the 90 day clock sets to zero from the day you entered? I have only just found this out, so was I fined incorrectly and if so would they refund the 2000 baht.

That was over a year ago, so I'd say the last thing you want to be doing is going there to rub in a mistake they may have made in April 2025 and to expect them to refund the fine.

You would have needed to challenge the fine right away, and as you didn't even know that it was unjustified at the time, just let it go. Lesson learned though.

11 hours ago, Maestro said:

The difference is that the OP was not late.

Yes. Just sharing my experience. 😁

22 hours ago, wil iam not said:

Call it drivel if you want, but what I said is correct. However 90 days after 3rd February is 4th May, so he should not have been fined.

actually 90 from 3rd February is actually 3rd May. The count starts from and includes the day of re-entry into Thailand, viz 3rd February.

5 minutes ago, TigerandDog said:

actually 90 from 3rd February is actually 3rd May. The count starts from and includes the day of re-entry into Thailand, viz 3rd February.

Does it really matter though when you have 15 days before and 7 days after in which to do it.

Edited June 4Jun 4 by wil iam not

Online system didn't accept it because the computer had worked the new date out from your re-entry (so you would've been too early), while IO said you were late because they were incorrectly going by the slip. Trying it on maybe? Dunno. I guess it happens what with all the thousands that are doing these reports. Forewarned is forearmed as they say, and should have been sussed on the day. My local immigration is now pretty good and would have picked this up, but some of those big town offices are meat markets. Too late now, unless you have a penchant for stress and perhaps take a stern learned Thai friend with the gift of the gab. Only thing then is if you do prevail and unintentionally embarrass an IO, when it comes to extension time it might come back and bite you on the bum. Don't sweat it. There's not a one long-term 'guest' in this fair land that hasn't been royally shafted by the system at one time or another.

On 6/3/2026 at 9:36 AM, wil iam not said:

After how many years here?

You can do your 90 day report 14 days before or 7 days after the designated date.

What do you mean by 'date from before leaving in Passport. The date you leave has nothing to do with 90 day reports.

I do not understand how some IOs do the 90 days when you renew Retirement Extension. My dates were 3 weeks apart, and the IO reminded me to come back to do it. Here I do not need to fill in Tm47, passport into the reader, print out new slip to keep in Passport, done.

You’re making no sense at all.

On 6/3/2026 at 12:58 PM, wil iam not said:

All Passport details of Visas and 90 days are in the IOs computer. The relevant date for the next 90 days will show up.

If you are returning from abroad though, previous 90 days are irrelevant, it is only from the day you returned, noting that that day is classed as Day 1.

Your immigration office doesn't know that you have returned from abroad unless you advise them, their computers are ancient, so if you fail to advise them, next time you go in, they will pick it up and fine you.

If he had his prior 90 days in his Passport, that is what the immigration officer went from, that said, he should have pointed out to the I/O that he was overseas and returned on such and such a day so that the lazy immigration officer could turn the page or two to see that he was back on such and such a date and started his new 90 days from that date.

@br12stol I think your fine may have been for you not notifying immigration that you were back from abroad within 48 hours from the time you landed, this gets overlooked by many farang, so I am told, and usually a 1st warning applies, depending on the I/O and their rules.

I say that because I went to immigration back in the day when the 90 days online were a hit and miss and I needed to get my new 90 days, so had to go in after it failed online, we arrived in Thailand on a Friday evening and went into immigration on the Monday after failing to get my 90 days online, and that is when the I/O said to me that I was the only farang to report within the 48 hour window, unbeknownst to me.

SoI just made it, e.g. to tell them that I was back, regardless of doing my 90 days, which is a separate matter.

So I saved myself a 2,000 baht fine apparently, so my theory would be that you went to immigration outside the 48 hour window to report you were back, does that sound correct ?

I will say it again, immigration computers are not linked up, so they don't know when you returned, so it's up to you to report back to them within 48 hours of returning, and yes, every immigration office is different so best check with yours.

Edited June 4Jun 4 by 4MyEgo
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14 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

I think your fine may have been for you not notifying immigration that you were back from abroad within 48 hours from the time you landed

No

4 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

No

19 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

and yes, every immigration office is different so best check with yours.

Copy & paste from Google below:

1. TM30 (Address Reporting)

• The Rule: By law, whenever you return to Thailand from abroad, a new TM30 (Notification of Foreigner in Residence) must be filed within 24 hours. [1]

• Who Files: If you rent, your landlord must do this. If you own your property, you must file it yourself. [1]

• The Catch: While some local immigration offices are lenient if you return to the exact same address, many require a new TM30 every single time you re-enter the country. Failing to file a new one can result in fines when you go to extend your visa or do a 90-day report.

Edited June 4Jun 4 by 4MyEgo
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16 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

By law, whenever you return to Thailand from abroad, a new TM30 (Notification of Foreigner in Residence)

The thread concerns 90 day reporting TM47.

Not TM30.