If I was stupid enough to ride a motorcycle id probably LEASE a Honda EV (Honda CUV e) for $3500-4500/m while you are looking around for a used ICE motorcycle for cheaper.

7 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

If somebody is so old and frail that they find changing gear or kick starting a honda wave "hard work" then they really should not be riding a motorcycle at all, To suggest that middle aged guy would have difficulty is ridiculous,, unless he was disabled, In which case refer to the previous sentence

Not quite true.... Electric start is just easier - kickstarting, easy enough for anyone, bit it would quickly become boresome - much the same way as having the semi-auto step through gears - again, that would wear thin - we're ridding a little 'put-put'... keep it as easy and simple as possible simply for the most convenience (and of course as I keep saying - ABS is a must)...

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

I wouldn't ignore it too quickly. Starting price is just under 37k as advertised by Honda Thailand. The 60k price you are stating is for a top-of-the-range model with full options.

https://www.thaihonda.co.th/honda/motorcycle/family/new-honda-wave-110i

One note: My earlier post of models and specks seems incorrect...

The above post shows the Base Honda Wave with front Disks - thats a nice upgrade from previous models - (although still only a 110cc - I wonder if they just used a different photo for the bike of if front disks are genuine).

8 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

One note: My earlier post of models and specks seems incorrect...

The above post shows the Base Honda Wave with front Disks - thats a nice upgrade from previous models - (although still only a 110cc - I wonder if they just used a different photo for the bike of if front disks are genuine).

All waves have front disk and rear drum brakes.

7 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

15 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

One note: My earlier post of models and specks seems incorrect...

The above post shows the Base Honda Wave with front Disks - thats a nice upgrade from previous models - (although still only a 110cc - I wonder if they just used a different photo for the bike of if front disks are genuine).

All waves have front disk and rear drum brakes.

Thank you for your invaluable acknowledgment of my acknowledgment that I was correcting my own earlier post. A masterclass in adding absolutely nothing 🤣

20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Thank you for your invaluable acknowledgment of my acknowledgment that I was correcting my own earlier post. A masterclass in adding absolutely nothing 🤣

Sad that you do not know tour bike better.

38 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

One note: My earlier post of models and specks seems incorrect...

The above post shows the Base Honda Wave with front Disks - thats a nice upgrade from previous models - (although still only a 110cc - I wonder if they just used a different photo for the bike of if front disks are genuine).

Seems they use it for promotional purposes but it isn't the entry-level model. I queried Gemini on it:

52 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

If I was stupid enough to ride a motorcycle

Thanks for your input, that's just the calming presence this thread needed… 😅

1 hour ago, SiSePuede419 said:

If I was stupid enough to ride a motorcycle id probably LEASE a Honda EV (Honda CUV e) for $3500-4500/m while you are looking around for a used ICE motorcycle for cheaper.

Sounds like a financially stupid decision!

41 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Sad that you do not know tour bike better.

Trying to shoehorn an argument out of thin air ???? focus on what you do know - its better for the thread.

Edited July 1Jul 1 by richard_smith237

42 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Seems they use it for promotional purposes but it isn't the entry-level model. I queried Gemini on it:

Yep - I double checked on the Website - specs of base model.

https://www.thaihonda.co.th/honda/motorcycle/family/all-new-wave110-2026

Base Model Wave 110cc: Both front and rear brakes are drum brakes only - the initial comments listing all models were factual.

Images on promo-pages and additional comments that contradict this are wrong.

A brand new Honda click 110 direct from the Factory does not have ABS on Front braking system.

No, a factory-produced 110cc Honda Click does not have ABS on the front wheel. [1, 2]

The Honda Click 110cc uses a traditional hydraulic disc brake on the front wheel and a mechanical drum brake on the rear wheel. [1, 3]. Don't get confused with a Hydraulic disk breaking system to a ABS disk breaking system.

Edited July 1Jul 1 by BarraMarra

I wouldnt fancy pushing an ADV or a PCX and even an D-Max along the rd in the morning when you forget to turn off the Ignition on your keyless bike the night before or you lose your Fob.

6 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

A brand new Honda click 110 direct from the Factory does not have ABS on Front braking system.

No, a factory-produced 110cc Honda Click does not have ABS on the front wheel. [1, 2]

The Honda Click 110cc uses a traditional hydraulic disc brake on the front wheel and a mechanical drum brake on the rear wheel. [1, 3]. Don't get confused with a Hydraulic disk breaking system to a ABS disk breaking system.

I'm I'm not mistaken the Honda Wave all 110cc and 125cc models does not have ABS systems at all....

This alone why I'd be looking at alternative models.

Op wants a Honda Wave 125cc - I think he should widen his scope to something with ABS - but thats a personal recommendation - but then he's going to be having to up his budged to around 50,000 baht and look at something like a Honda Click 160 ABS

5 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

I wouldnt fancy pushing an ADV or a PCX and even an D-Max along the rd in the morning when you forget to turn off the Ignition on your keyless bike the night before or you lose your Fob.

Its a valid point - everything has a pro / con.... from the same perspective - a person who'd forget to turn of the ignition could also be the forgetful minded sole who forgot to remove the keys from their bike in the the first place and thus it gets stolen....

... turning it (i.e. an ADV) off - is just like turning the key off - its habit - as far as losing the key - thats possible with any key at any time - like for like comparison doesn't lend anything in this case.

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Its a valid point - everything has a pro / con.... from the same perspective - a person who'd forget to turn of the ignition could also be the forgetful minded sole who forgot to remove the keys from their bike in the the first place and thus it gets stolen....

... turning it (i.e. an ADV) off - is just like turning the key off - its habit - as far as losing the key - thats possible with any key at any time - like for like comparison doesn't lend anything in this case.

It does if your battery's flat and you don't have a kickstarter. Escuse the Pun Richard but your shafted. jump on a second runabout you bought for under 15k away you go. Pay 90k upwards for a new pcx your stood waiting to get it picked up because you can't start it flat battery or blown fuse.

Edited July 1Jul 1 by BarraMarra

1 hour ago, BarraMarra said:

It does if your battery's flat and you don't have a kickstarter. Escuse the Pun Richard but your shafted. jump on a second runabout you bought for under 15k away you go. Pay 90k upwards for a new pcx your stood waiting to get it picked up because you can't start it flat battery or blown fuse.

I've never had a kick-starter on any bike I've owned in the last 15 or so years.... never felt the need for one.

That said - I have had flat batteries - so perhaps a kick-started would have helped, but they'd be in such rubbish bikes they'd be nothing I want to own anyway..... As I have Forward and Rear Facing hardwired dash-cams on my bike (to an off-power circuit) there is some slight battery drain when I'm away for a month or two....

... C-TEK battery tender solves that problem.

Thats said - it would be impressive to have second 'ragger' to jump on when all else fails - but would that work if only using it as a backup once per year ?

Last flat battery I had - the C-TEK (10 years old at the time) failed - I jumped on the bike - no go - checked the voltage and it was about 9V... (too low) disconnected the battery, jumped in the car, dropped the battery off for a charge at a local battery place, picked it up a couple of hours later.... New C-TEK ordered online... But - its still an invonvenience.

In fact - anything we don't use every day or very regularly becomes an inconvenience - my bike right now has not been used for over 3 or 4 weeks - its just too hot and I've had the car to use instead - so I don't know if the bike works at all right now (it should because its hooked into the C-TEK - but I've no idea).

3 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Seems they use it for promotional purposes but it isn't the entry-level model. I queried Gemini on it:

There are no disc brakes on any Wave rear wheel 110 or 125 cc models. Someone will say yes, they are, that is because it is a one-off done by a bike shop somewhere. I have seen one,the conversion was well done .

And I have yet to see a new 110 Wave with a drum front brake, may be a couple of years ago, but not now.

And as to why secondhand Waves are so expensive nn Thailand s the interest rates when a Thai buys a new Wave or a secondhand one, or any small bike on HP they will be paying up to 30% interest on that loan, so a 125 cc Wave will cost about 60 000 baht cash on hp that will be 78 000 baht, then the cost of getting the log book at the end of the loan, will make it 80 000 baht, and when they sell that bike they what some of that cost back hence the high secondhand price.

Wife's granddaughter brought a second Wave a 125cc, paid 63 000 baht, on HP, nice clean bike 1750 baht over 36 months, cash price would have been about 42,000 baht-ish, if your haggling is good, even secondhand Waves are expensive.

14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

kickstarting, easy enough for anyone, bit it would quickly become boresome -

I have to put my scooter on the cenrte stand and it depends what footwear I have on, but generally not easy. Maybe a Wave is better.

16 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

Sounds like a financially stupid decision!

Well, it matches* with riding a motorcycle which is 10 x more lethal in an accident than having a steel cage surrounding you with airbags. Hey, it's just math...

And LEASING gives you flexibility and free battery swaps. Some people like flexibility, like so many here on visa on arrival at the airport. Plus, it gives you TIME to look around for an ICE motorcycle, like I already said.

Your opinion that this is "financially" foolish. Have you priced treatment at private hospitals for motorcycle riders after accidents? You should talk to Thai health insurance agents, I bet they have some anecdotal examples of what they paid out in the past year for Thai people in motorcycle accidents.

There's Old Motorcycle Riders, there's Bold Motorcycle Riders. But there's no Old, Bold Motorcycle Riders. Drive like your Grandma on the way to church, mate. 🤣

* Motorcycles, tobacco, casinos, tattoos are all just taxes on the lower half of the IQ curve, according to science.

Edited July 2Jul 2 by SiSePuede419

However well a second-hand bike is repaired, it can never be like new again.

Having seen how Thais abuse mechanical things, I would try to get a NEW m/c. Then you know where you are starting from.

I bought new, both car and m/c and have never regretted the extra cost.

19 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

All waves have front disk and rear drum brakes.

Yes, they do now. There was a front drum version, but it's not available.

Even the Supercub now has a disc version, after being all drum for about a hundred years.

I had a drum brake Supercub 110 for my daily commute bike. Used it every day in central Bangkok for several years. For city riding, an auto scooter would really have been a better choice, but I also have a big bike, and after riding motorcycles for 50 years I was worried about reprogramming my 'emergency stop' response for the scooter brake lever layout. But for out of city riding on a small bike, I think the Wave/Supercub is unbeatable.

My GPX Drone 150cc was a year old when i bought it riding along 1 day i noticed a little Brake fluid on the bars looking closer later at home, the Reservoir that holds the fluid has a Glass window you view the level. Rubbed this " glass " inspection window clear only to find it was perspex. I put my thumb through it discharging all the remaining fluid on the panels below, lifting all the paint. Replaced it and sealed it. A few weeks later the left hand side did the same. Now i need to have most of the panels on the front re-sprayed. If it was an older bike doubtfull a Resevoir would be on it like an older click or wave.

Edited July 2Jul 2 by BarraMarra

5 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

There's Old Motorcycle Riders, there's Bold Motorcycle Riders. But there's no Old, Bold Motorcycle Riders.

There's Old Motorcycle Riders, there's Bold Motorcycle Riders... and there's sanctimonious old bores...

(there corrected if for you !)

5 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Well, it matches* with riding a motorcycle which is 10 x more lethal in an accident than having a steel cage surrounding you with airbags. Hey, it's just math...

And LEASING gives you flexibility and free battery swaps. Some people like flexibility, like so many here on visa on arrival at the airport. Plus, it gives you TIME to look around for an ICE motorcycle, like I already said.

Your opinion that this is "financially" foolish. Have you priced treatment at private hospitals for motorcycle riders after accidents? You should talk to Thai health insurance agents, I bet they have some anecdotal examples of what they paid out in the past year for Thai people in motorcycle accidents.

There's Old Motorcycle Riders, there's Bold Motorcycle Riders. But there's no Old, Bold Motorcycle Riders. Drive like your Grandma on the way to church, mate. 🤣

* Motorcycles, tobacco, casinos, tattoos are all just taxes on the lower half of the IQ curve, according to science.

stop with your nonsense.

But am curious, those that lease/rent a bike get cheaper treatment at a private hospital than those than own ?

Edited July 2Jul 2 by Ralf001

2 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

stop with your nonsense.

But am curious, those that lease/rent a bike get cheaper treatment at a private hospital than those than own ?

It's not nonsense it's probability theory. Rich people used to hire people good at math to help them figure out the odds (probability) of games of chance, like craps. After you understand the concept of probability whether pulling a back ball out of a bag full of we white marbles or getting seriously injured because you were riding a motorcycle instead of a car, 10 times more likely seriously injured in an accident vs a car.

I'm not stupid enough to do that so it doesn't matter to me at all. I just told you how you can ride right past the people on motorcycles at gas stations, but whatever you choose it must be the best possible choice. 🤗

Edited July 2Jul 2 by SiSePuede419

10 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

It's not nonsense it's probability theory. Rich people used to hire people good at math to help them figure out the odds (probability) of games of chance, like craps. After you understand the concept of probability whether pulling a back ball out of a bag full of we white marbles or getting seriously injured because you were riding a motorcycle instead of a car, 10 times more likely seriously injured in an accident vs a car.

I'm not stupid enough to do that so it doesn't matter to me at all. I just told you how you can ride right past the people on motorcycles at gas stations, but whatever you choose it must be the best possible choice. 🤗

Spending possibly 10% (or more) of purchase price renting per month "to decide" on a scooter purchase.

is garbage financial advice.

Honda Click is also extremely good reliable model

I bought 2010 model 110cc 11 years ago for 15000 had a lot of kliks maybe ,50,000km when I bought it can't quite remember..it's now at 65,000km ,I maintain it well but have never done any major repairs.I suspect similar to wave..I like the auto transmission...I also find it very nimble,they seem to have the geometry just right.

Comes in 125 cc and recently new 150cc...The 110 carries my wife and I fine ,both farangs so close to 140 kg with both us.

Recent hand surgery, cannot ride my motorbike or bicycle. In will sell both of them. 2025 Honda CT125, 4500km.

Just be careful you don’t get a clocked Grab/Lineman bike that’s been thrashed for years. They’re tough bikes but not unbreakable.