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China Warns Putin: Don’t Cross the Nuclear Red Line in Ukraine

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China Warns Putin: Don’t Cross the Nuclear Red Line in Ukraine

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Beijing sends Moscow a very serious message

Vladimir Putin may be prepared to intensify Russia's war in Ukraine, but there is reportedly one escalation even some of his closest international partners do not want to see.

Nuclear weapons.

China has reportedly warned Moscow against using tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine, according to Bloomberg, with India also said to have cautioned against such a move.

The warnings matter because they underline how far Russia's deteriorating war could go — and where even countries that have remained close to Moscow appear unwilling to follow Putin.

Peace talks are going nowhere

The latest intelligence suggests the diplomatic track is rapidly running out of road.

People close to the Kremlin reportedly believe the negotiating framework has effectively collapsed, with Putin showing little willingness to end the war simply because of economic pressure.

Russian missile and drone attacks on Kyiv and other Ukrainian cities have intensified, while Ukraine continues striking targets inside Russia, including oil infrastructure.

The result is an increasingly dangerous cycle of escalation with no obvious political exit.

Putin sees Ukraine differently

Moscow continues to portray Ukrainian strikes as attacks backed by NATO, rather than simply a war between Russia and Ukraine.

Putin has warned that Russia will retaliate against what he describes as attacks on its most sensitive economic sectors.

That rhetoric is particularly worrying when combined with battlefield frustration and the apparent collapse of negotiations.

But a nuclear strike would represent an entirely different level of escalation.

China does not want a nuclear war on its doorstep

Beijing's reported warning is therefore significant.

China has supported Russia economically and diplomatically throughout much of the conflict, but it has also repeatedly called for negotiations and opposed actions that could produce a wider confrontation.

A Russian nuclear strike could destroy that carefully balanced position overnight.

It would risk radioactive contamination, potentially trigger a dramatic Western response and create precisely the kind of international chaos Beijing has consistently said it wants to avoid.

India has its own reasons for reaching the same conclusion.

Neither country wants to be dragged into a nuclear confrontation because Putin decides that conventional escalation is no longer producing the result he wants.

The danger is the deadlock

The immediate danger is not that a nuclear strike is inevitable.

It is that the conventional war is becoming harder to end.

Russia has failed to achieve all of its major territorial objectives. Ukraine refuses to surrender territory demanded by Moscow. Kyiv continues to receive Western weapons and has demonstrated an increasing ability to strike deep inside Russia.

Meanwhile, Washington's attention is heavily occupied by the Iran conflict, reducing the diplomatic pressure that had previously been directed towards finding a Ukraine settlement.

That creates an uncomfortable vacuum.

China may be the brake

Putin can ignore Western warnings.

Ignoring China is considerably more complicated.

Beijing is one of Moscow's most important economic partners and has enormous leverage over Russia's ability to withstand prolonged isolation.

If China and India are both privately telling Putin that nuclear escalation is unacceptable, the message from Russia's partners is unusually clear:

Keep fighting if you must — but don't cross the nuclear line.

The danger is that with negotiations stalled and both sides escalating their attacks, the world may be getting closer to that line even if nobody actually wants to cross it.

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  • impulse
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    He's not wrong. It's not just NATO, but Ukraine would have been out of money and ammo years ago if it wasn't for funding from NATO countries. And the dying would have stopped and they'd be years a

  • Beats me how nobody has put a bullet through Putin's head by now, surely the Russian people have had more than enough of his dumb war, that was only going to take 2 weeks, and is now in its 5th year a

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    So the logic is:...... an aggressor creates a reason to invade a sovereign nation and to avoid deaths everybody steps away and says fair enough.......and the aggressor then stops at that? Has this wo

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28 minutes ago, Social Media said:

Moscow continues to portray Ukrainian strikes as attacks backed by NATO, rather than simply a war between Russia and Ukraine.

He's not wrong. It's not just NATO, but Ukraine would have been out of money and ammo years ago if it wasn't for funding from NATO countries.

And the dying would have stopped and they'd be years ahead on the rebuilding.

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Beats me how nobody has put a bullet through Putin's head by now, surely the Russian people have had more than enough of his dumb war, that was only going to take 2 weeks, and is now in its 5th year and has cost the country an estimated 500 billion dollars, around half a million dead Russians, and another 1.5 million casualties. Then there's his constant threats of using nukes against NATO, which would only result in a barrage of nukes returned to Russia. Surely there are people in Russia who would like to see the demise of this nutcase and an end to the hostilities.

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55 minutes ago, impulse said:

He's not wrong. It's not just NATO, but Ukraine would have been out of money and ammo years ago if it wasn't for funding from NATO countries.

And the dying would have stopped and they'd be years ahead on the rebuilding.

It would have all stopped until Putin decided which other country he wanted to invade.

Appeaseniks happy to go along with the plans of a tyrant.

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1 hour ago, impulse said:

He's not wrong. It's not just NATO, but Ukraine would have been out of money and ammo years ago if it wasn't for funding from NATO countries.

And the dying would have stopped and they'd be years ahead on the rebuilding.

So the logic is:...... an aggressor creates a reason to invade a sovereign nation and to avoid deaths everybody steps away and says fair enough.......and the aggressor then stops at that?

Has this worked previously in history?

28 minutes ago, grain said:

Beats me how nobody has put a bullet through Putin's head by now, surely the Russian people have had more than enough of his dumb war, that was only going to take 2 weeks, and is now in its 5th year and has cost the country an estimated 500 billion dollars, around half a million dead Russians, and another 1.5 million casualties. Then there's his constant threats of using nukes against NATO, which would only result in a barrage of nukes returned to Russia. Surely there are people in Russia who would like to see the demise of this nutcase and an end to the hostilities.

True, but eliminating the narcissistic megalomaniacs in the world can have more to follow, so you need to take out the whole lot of them as soon as they're put into power, and have a population that is tired of this type in power and do something about it now.

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25 minutes ago, grain said:

Beats me how nobody has put a bullet through Putin's head by now, surely the Russian people have had more than enough of his dumb war, that was only going to take 2 weeks, and is now in its 5th year and has cost the country an estimated 500 billion dollars, around half a million dead Russians, and another 1.5 million casualties. Then there's his constant threats of using nukes against NATO, which would only result in a barrage of nukes returned to Russia. Surely there are people in Russia who would like to see the demise of this nutcase and an end to the hostilities.

Putin takes his personal security very seriously.

This year he increased his personal guard to 800 officers. The FSO (Federal Protective Service) has 50,000 employees. Rising up the ranks in the FSO ensures wealth not ordinarily enjoyed by public servants.

This autocratic playbook is seen in every one party state. Concentric circles of wealth and privilege mirroring the concentric circles of political power. Then, massive amounts of state resources ploughed into maintaining the system.

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So we had the US head of intelligence fly to Moscow for urgent talks with Russia.

China now warning Russia not to cross the redline of nuclear attack.

I guess we now know the reason why the US head of intelligence flew to Russia.

Russia is about to unleash a tactical nuclear strike on Ukraine.

Putin and his best friend Medvedev say that in Ukraine they are taking back what belongs to them. People don't usually poop on the carpet or sofa in their own home or car. Therefore, there will definitely be no use of nuclear weapons here.

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53 minutes ago, grain said:

Surely there are people in Russia who would like to see the demise of this nutcase and an end to the hostilities.

Putin is the rational slow and calculating leader..if he is replaced there is a good chance a real 'nutcase'

will replace him.

If we can take this report of a warning from China at face value, coupled with Radcliffe's recent Moscow trip, it seems the Aseannow Youtube-minted Strategic Studies Analysts blew it when they assured us Putin will never use nukes. It's been obvious he's a nutjob and likely anything is in play.

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20 minutes ago, zmisha said:

Putin and his best friend Medvedev say that in Ukraine they are taking back what belongs to them. People don't usually poop on the carpet or sofa in their own home or car. Therefore, there will definitely be no use of nuclear weapons here.

You just need to add 2 and 2 together. Head of US intelligence flies to Russia in a panic. China warns Russia not to cross the nuclear red line.

If I were a betting man I'd put good money on Russia setting off a tactical nuclear strike in Ukraine.

Sure, the Russians see parts of Ukraine as Russia. But only parts. They would most likely detonate the nuke in those parts they never intended to occupy anyway.

4 minutes ago, Oliver Holzerfilled said:

If we can take this report of a warning from China at face value, coupled with Radcliffe's recent Moscow trip, it seems the Aseannow Youtube-minted Strategic Studies Analysts blew it when they assured us Putin will never use nukes. It's been obvious he's a nutjob and likely anything is in play.

Indeed, a nuclear strike now seems likely.

It may be economic reasons. Russia did the maths and realized that whilst they would win a war of attrition they don't have the resources to last as long as required. Whereas a nuclear device could end things quickly.

Seems perfectly rational.

2 hours ago, impulse said:

He's not wrong. It's not just NATO, but Ukraine would have been out of money and ammo years ago if it wasn't for funding from NATO countries.

And the dying would have stopped and they'd be years ahead on the rebuilding.

Are you suggesting that Ukraine just surrenders to Moscow?

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1 hour ago, MIke B Bad said:

So the logic is:...... an aggressor creates a reason to invade a sovereign nation and to avoid deaths everybody steps away and says fair enough.......and the aggressor then stops at that?

Has this worked previously in history?

"Peace in our time"!

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18 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Are you suggesting that Ukraine just surrenders to Moscow?


Why not?
Ukraine has been a failed state / Most corrupt state on Earth for ages.
Barely anyone had heard of it before 2022.
Like Indians and Pakistanis they're basically the same - why should people in Ukraine care which bunch of parasites taxes them and empties their bins?

Why do you care anyway - beyond the virtue signal?

The war is killing millions of young men - for nothing.
Very much doubt you'd have gone to fight - you'd have run like the rest of the armchair generals on here so why endorse the endless killing?

Fine for you to virtue signal at no cost to yourself - what a great guy u are right?

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34 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Indeed, a nuclear strike now seems likely.

It may be economic reasons. Russia did the maths and realized that whilst they would win a war of attrition they don't have the resources to last as long as required. Whereas a nuclear device could end things quickly.

Seems perfectly rational.

Rational if you consider "risk(ing) radioactive contamination, potentially trigger(ing) a dramatic Western response and creat(ing) precisely the kind of international chaos Beijing has consistently said it wants to avoid" as rational.

Hopefully, China's economic hold on Russia will prevent Putin escalating matters. The ideal outcome would be if this acts as the catalyst for Putin's removal and the installation of a leader more interested in engaging peacefully with the West.

Source : timesnowworld.

Not a reliable outlet.

I doubt Xi would say something like this.

Putin's red lines have been crossed too much.

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Russia is now too dependent on China, currently his first trade partner. Putin cannot act against China's wishes.

Putin is an incompetent leader. After a decade of zero GDP growth, he made a stupid war which actually put his country's fate in the hand of its most dangerous neighbour.

Russia, with its good natural and human resources , should now be like California. Putin has been a disaster for his country. 😅

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23 minutes ago, RayC said:

Rational if you consider "risk(ing) radioactive contamination, potentially trigger(ing) a dramatic Western response and creat(ing) precisely the kind of international chaos Beijing has consistently said it wants to avoid" as rational.

Hopefully, China's economic hold on Russia will prevent Putin escalating matters. The ideal outcome would be if this acts as the catalyst for Putin's removal and the installation of a leader more interested in engaging peacefully with the West.

First of all of course Putin was very interested to engage peacefully with the West. For a long time he believed the lies the Americans and British told that Russia would be included in the post 1990 new security architecture. Instead of taking Russia's hand and doing that, the Americans and British went ahead and tried to weaken Russia as much as possible, whilst enlarging NATO. Putin repeatedly called this out and warned the West, putting red lines in the sand. He was completely ignored, so you can't blame him for not caring one iota what the West thinks now.

A dramatic Western response? I rather doubt it. Russia is already ladened with sanctions, and we both know none of the NATO countries would dare retaliate on a nuclear power out of self preservation. Hence the reluctance to fight Russia, after all.

6 minutes ago, candide said:

After a decade of zero GDP growth,

Russia to grow faster than all advanced economies says IMF

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) expects Russia to grow 3.2% this year, significantly more than the UK, France and Germany.

Despite the Kremlin being sanctioned over its invasion of Ukraine, the IMF upgraded its January predictions for the Russian economy this year, and said while growth would be lower in 2025, it would be still be higher than previously expected at 1.8%.

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Russia to grow faster than all advanced economies says IMF

The IMF estimates Russia's economy will grow faster than the likes of the US, UK and Germany this year.

What planet do you live in? Certainly not planet Earth.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

You just need to add 2 and 2 together. Head of US intelligence flies to Russia in a panic. China warns Russia not to cross the nuclear red line.

If I were a betting man I'd put good money on Russia setting off a tactical nuclear strike in Ukraine.

Sure, the Russians see parts of Ukraine as Russia. But only parts. They would most likely detonate the nuke in those parts they never intended to occupy anyway.

If you add 2 and 2 together you will see that Zelensky will accidentally "find" an old "soviet" nuclear bomb in his storage immediately after that. And then millions of Russians will die the next day.

11 minutes ago, zmisha said:

If you add 2 and 2 together you will see that Zelensky will accidentally "find" an old "soviet" nuclear bomb in his storage immediately after that. And then millions of Russians will die the next day.

It can certainly not be discounted that the French, British or Americans would supply a nuclear weapon to Zelensky.

Fair point.

21 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Russia to grow faster than all advanced economies says IMF

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) expects Russia to grow 3.2% this year, significantly more than the UK, France and Germany.

Despite the Kremlin being sanctioned over its invasion of Ukraine, the IMF upgraded its January predictions for the Russian economy this year, and said while growth would be lower in 2025, it would be still be higher than previously expected at 1.8%.

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Russia to grow faster than all advanced economies says IMF

The IMF estimates Russia's economy will grow faster than the likes of the US, UK and Germany this year.

What planet do you live in? Certainly not planet Earth.

As I wrote, quasi-zero growth for a decade, before military expenses started to fuel GDP growth.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MKTGDPRUA646NWDB#

I also notice you 've shown your intellecual dishonesty again by linking an outdated GDP forecast from 2024! 😀

Here's what the Russian government predicts (obviously, it will vary according to global energy prices):

Russia downgrades 2026 economic growth forecast to 0.4% from 1.3%, deputy PM says

https://www.reuters.com/business/russia-downgrades-2026-economic-growth-forecast-04-13-deputy-pm-says-2026-05-11

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Must be the reason the CIA chief suddenly flew to Moscow. Hope it's just sabre rattling.

17 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

First of all of course Putin was very interested to engage peacefully with the West. For a long time he believed the lies the Americans and British told that Russia would be included in the post 1990 new security architecture. Instead of taking Russia's hand and doing that, the Americans and British went ahead and tried to weaken Russia as much as possible, whilst enlarging NATO. Putin repeatedly called this out and warned the West, putting red lines in the sand. He was completely ignored, so you can't blame him for not caring one iota what the West thinks now.

A dramatic Western response? I rather doubt it. Russia is already ladened with sanctions, and we both know none of the NATO countries would dare retaliate on a nuclear power out of self preservation. Hence the reluctance to fight Russia, after all.

We had this discussion before in another thread. The idea that Putin is some sort of peacenik offering an olive branch is ridiculous. He has stated on numerous occasions that he considers Ukraine to be part of a greater Russia.

So you see no risk of escalation if Russia detonates a nuclear bomb? If NATO does not respond in kind, what sort of message does that send to Putin? One interpretation is that he can act with impunity without risk of retaliation.

21 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

It can certainly not be discounted that the French, British or Americans would supply a nuclear weapon to Zelensky.

Fair point.

Zelenskyy can't currently launch a nuclear strike on Moscow for the simple reason that the West would then be forced to abandon its support for Ukraine, and Russia would win the war within two days.

However, if Russia were to launch the first strike, that would change everything.

41 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Russia to grow faster than all advanced economies says IMF

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) expects Russia to grow 3.2% this year, significantly more than the UK, France and Germany.

Despite the Kremlin being sanctioned over its invasion of Ukraine, the IMF upgraded its January predictions for the Russian economy this year, and said while growth would be lower in 2025, it would be still be higher than previously expected at 1.8%.

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Russia to grow faster than all advanced economies says IMF

The IMF estimates Russia's economy will grow faster than the likes of the US, UK and Germany this year.

What planet do you live in? Certainly not planet Earth.

That link is from 2024!

Current IMF estimates for 2026 growth are:

US: 2.3 - 2.4%;

EU: 1.1%;

UK: 1 - 1.3%;

Russia: 0.4 - 1.1%

In any event, a bit of perspective is necessary. The major European economies are 50% larger in terms of GDP than Russia. The US economy is over 10* the size of Russia's.

13 minutes ago, RayC said:

He has stated on numerous occasions that he considers Ukraine to be part of a greater Russia.

This is tired NATO propaganda of course, Putin does not want Greater Russia, or even all of Ukraine. And yes, he did extend a hand of friendship to the West, after 1990, which was spat on.

14 minutes ago, RayC said:

So you see no risk of escalation if Russia detonates a nuclear bomb? If NATO does not respond in kind, what sort of message does that send to Putin? One interpretation is that he can act with impunity without risk of retaliation.

Isn't that what Russia is doing now? Actuing with impunity? For all the sanctions and support of Ukraine, none of the NATO members dare to put troops on the ground to oppose Russia. We all know why. They're afraid of nuclear annihiliation.

There is no way in hell NATO would respond in kind, as every NATO member knows that would risk the total destruction of their country via nuclear holocaust. The only risk would be if Zelensky is supplied with a similar weapon by NATO and then Russia is attacked. Then it could escalate.

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22 minutes ago, candide said:

As I wrote, quasi-zero growth for a decade, before military expenses started to fuel GDP growth.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MKTGDPRUA646NWDB#

I also notice you 've shown your intellecual dishonesty again by linking an outdated GDP forecast from 2024! 😀

Here's what the Russian government predicts (obviously, it will vary according to global energy prices):

Russia downgrades 2026 economic growth forecast to 0.4% from 1.3%, deputy PM says

https://www.reuters.com/business/russia-downgrades-2026-economic-growth-forecast-04-13-deputy-pm-says-2026-05-11

Screenshot_20260827_145915_Samsung Browser.jpg

So there is GDP growth then, okay. I was under the impression you had said the opposite.

And what if the current forecast is 0.4%? The UK's is 0.8% hardly much difference.

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