What Will Be Delivered With Vista Sp 1?

[Guest Reimar]

Vista SP1 – Microsoft Could Not Have Given Less – Vista SP2 Anyone?

Microsoft had the chance to position the first service pack for Windows Vista as a panacea for the operating system, giving the platform nothing less than a fresh start and another take at the Wow. Instead, Vista SP1 will deliver close to nothing. Users should expect little, because they will get it in full, and because Microsoft could not have given anything less with the refresh. And if you believe that the company didn't try, then you are sadly mistaken. Microsoft in fact stripped Vista SP1 down to the bare bones, leaving only the essential architecture that would qualify as a service pack. All strictly non-essential features, capabilities, features and improvements were killed from the status of concept, none of them making it to the embryonic stage.

A member of the Windows Installer Team explained why they had to pull references for Windows Installer 4.1, designed especially for Windows Vista SP1, from MSDN and to cancel version 4.1 altogether. "What changed was that the new guard in Windows had a very different bar for the Vista SP than had been in practice for previous releases (at least in my memory). Generally there is lip service to no large feature work in a SP but this time folks listened. Big feature adds were heavily scrutinized. The items we wanted to fix in the SP, UAC tweaks, were big feature by the new bar. When the UAC tweaks were rejected for Vista SP1, the justification for 4.1 faded as there were no new features in the Windows Installer in Vista SP1," the Windows Installer Team member stated.

The new guard at Microsoft is formed by Kevin Johnson, President, Platforms & Services Division; Jon DeVaan, Senior Vice President, Windows Core Operating System Division and Steven Sinofsky, Senior Vice President, Windows and Windows Live Engineering Group...although the last executive might be more familiar to you as Steven codename Translucency Sinofsky, the source of the Windows Omerta. By comparison, the old guard involved Jim Allchin, (Former) Co-President, Platforms & Services Division; Brian Valentine (former) senior vice president of the Windows Division and Chris Jones, Corporate Vice President, Windows Live Experience Program Management.

Johnson, DeVaan and Sinofsky lowered the standard as much as possible on the features that would end up in Vista SP1. In this context, the service pack will be comprised of regular Windows Vista updates, application compatibility improvements, device driver improvements, enhancements to performance, reliability and security and a few tweaks to the default desktop search mechanism. Vista SP1 will be nothing more than a standard service pack, planned for the first quarter of 2008. However, the generalized consumer perception, and the continuous user preference focused on Windows XP seem to point to the fact that Vista would actually need a SP2 that will be a repeat of the second service pack for XP.

Source: news.softpedia.com

[think_too_mut]

How many people do really care? Hobby users, game players?

Vista is a flop. They started developing it 5 years ago in a completely different market. Back then, Google was a pup, for example.

I still have to hear that any of tens of thousands of our customers intend to deploy it. Corporates, I mean.

Millions of PCs are staying away from it.

Actually, general population would do anything to stay away from it.

[britmaveric]

Great OS, my firm is deploying it now with replacement notebooks/workstations .... far superior than XP. However hardware specs need to be in line which works quite well for new machines, but the older ones - no point deploying vista to those because you will run into issues.

[Guest Reimar]

Both of you may right, I wouldn't judge on this!!

But that isn't thye point!

Questions are: What will be after SP 1 is released? Would MS downgrade Vista while disabling some of the features? Or would this disabling not a downgrade but an upgrade?

Anyway, it isn't clear til today what MS realy will submitt with SP 1 because the "real" info are rerally rare!

[cdnvic]

I hope they don't start downgrading to accommodate all the whingers and their "I installed Vista on my Celeron powered notebook with 512mb of ram and it sucks!" crowd.

[think_too_mut]

Both of you may right, I wouldn't judge on this!!

But that isn't thye point!

Questions are: What will be after SP 1 is released? Would MS downgrade Vista while disabling some of the features? Or would this disabling not a downgrade but an upgrade?

Anyway, it isn't clear til today what MS realy will submitt with SP 1 because the "real" info are rerally rare!

Nothing will happen.

Nobody in charge has Vista in their plans. Other than home users.

[britmaveric]

TTM - not true, just told you the new machines we are buying will be deployed with vista.

[cdnvic]

Both of you may right, I wouldn't judge on this!!

But that isn't thye point!

Questions are: What will be after SP 1 is released? Would MS downgrade Vista while disabling some of the features? Or would this disabling not a downgrade but an upgrade?

Anyway, it isn't clear til today what MS realy will submitt with SP 1 because the "real" info are rerally rare!

Nothing will happen.

Nobody in charge has Vista in their plans. Other than home users.

Most companies will switch as they get new hardware. Ours is, my bank is, and many others will follow. Especially those who held onto Windows 2000 because the early security nightmares in XP scared them off of it.

[think_too_mut]

Both of you may right, I wouldn't judge on this!!

But that isn't thye point!

Questions are: What will be after SP 1 is released? Would MS downgrade Vista while disabling some of the features? Or would this disabling not a downgrade but an upgrade?

Anyway, it isn't clear til today what MS realy will submitt with SP 1 because the "real" info are rerally rare!

Nothing will happen.

Nobody in charge has Vista in their plans. Other than home users.

Most companies will switch as they get new hardware. Ours is, my bank is, and many others will follow. Especially those who held onto Windows 2000 because the early security nightmares in XP scared them off of it.

I am the first to know that. No mention of Vista anywhere in the corporate world.

Sorry, it's still with the hobby people.

[think_too_mut]

Both of you may right, I wouldn't judge on this!!

But that isn't thye point!

Questions are: What will be after SP 1 is released? Would MS downgrade Vista while disabling some of the features? Or would this disabling not a downgrade but an upgrade?

Anyway, it isn't clear til today what MS realy will submitt with SP 1 because the "real" info are rerally rare!

Nothing will happen.

Nobody in charge has Vista in their plans. Other than home users.

Most companies will switch as they get new hardware. Ours is, my bank is, and many others will follow. Especially those who held onto Windows 2000 because the early security nightmares in XP scared them off of it.

What you see at your desk is not computing. It's nothing. It's a replacement of a typewriter.

What can you tell about what really happens in an entrerprise? Would you have a slightest idea what a data center is? Or, even where it is? Moreover, have you ever seen the computers that conduct your business? Would your security pass let you anywhere near the business?

And your beloved bank (we call the people from there "bankees", not monkeys) is happily connecting to my gear. Day in, day out. And nobody would ever mutter "vista".

They know they have "bankees", but they tolerate irrelevant people on their payroll.

[solo siam]

Both of you may right, I wouldn't judge on this!!

But that isn't thye point!

Questions are: What will be after SP 1 is released? Would MS downgrade Vista while disabling some of the features? Or would this disabling not a downgrade but an upgrade?

Anyway, it isn't clear til today what MS realy will submitt with SP 1 because the "real" info are rerally rare!

Nothing will happen.

Nobody in charge has Vista in their plans. Other than home users.

Most companies will switch as they get new hardware. Ours is, my bank is, and many others will follow. Especially those who held onto Windows 2000 because the early security nightmares in XP scared them off of it.

I am the first to know that. No mention of Vista anywhere in the corporate world.

Sorry, it's still with the hobby people.

Yeah, all 60 million of them.

Its just silly to think that Vista isn't going to be the defacto operating system, its an excellent system, so good that the driver and applications software is still trying to cath up, which is the main problem facing it. It's almost an identical situation with each new Windows system, it comes out, people moan about how slow it is on older computers, and that it's bloated and legacy applications don't work.

Here's what Forrester Research have to say about it -

"IT managers are finding themselves pulling back their initial Windows Vista deployment plans," Forrester analyst Benjamin Gray said in a report issued this week.

That said, Forrester notes in the first line of its report that it's not like most businesses are really going to skip over Vista.

"For the vast majority of businesses, Windows Vista is a matter of when and how, not if," Gray wrote. "This is thanks in large part to Microsoft's dominance in the corporate-client operating-system market."

[britmaveric]

New machines will get VISTA for most businesses, once the 3yr life cycle of workstation/notebook is up.

Not if just a matter of when...

[think_too_mut]

Yeah, all 60 million of them.

That's all? That is how many PCs are sold every quarter.

Still, I have to see one in real biz who has it or wants it.

What do you think: blade servers for data centers, being delivered today, what do they come loaded with?

Vista? Vista Who?

[dsys]

What you see at your desk is not computing. It's nothing. It's a replacement of a typewriter.

What can you tell about what really happens in an entrerprise? Would you have a slightest idea what a data center is? Or, even where it is? Moreover, have you ever seen the computers that conduct your business? Would your security pass let you anywhere near the business?

And your beloved bank (we call the people from there "bankees", not monkeys) is happily connecting to my gear. Day in, day out. And nobody would ever mutter "vista".

They know they have "bankees", but they tolerate irrelevant people on their payroll.

I thought Vista was a client OS why would you deploy it in a datacenter?

[cdnvic]

What you see at your desk is not computing. It's nothing. It's a replacement of a typewriter.

What can you tell about what really happens in an entrerprise? Would you have a slightest idea what a data center is? Or, even where it is? Moreover, have you ever seen the computers that conduct your business? Would your security pass let you anywhere near the business?

My, my, aren't we self-important today?

[Guest Reimar]

What you see at your desk is not computing. It's nothing. It's a replacement of a typewriter.

What can you tell about what really happens in an entrerprise? Would you have a slightest idea what a data center is? Or, even where it is? Moreover, have you ever seen the computers that conduct your business? Would your security pass let you anywhere near the business?

And your beloved bank (we call the people from there "bankees", not monkeys) is happily connecting to my gear. Day in, day out. And nobody would ever mutter "vista".

They know they have "bankees", but they tolerate irrelevant people on their payroll.

I think here isn't a place for to "Show Off"!

If you're really that guy which you try to show than something is wrong! Someone with an so called "Reputation" as you show here wouldn't talk about for some several reasons and one that reasons is simply named: Behavior! About the other reasons like security and so on we don't need to talk!

But one I, and I believe others as well, haven't ever seen that some one in an position like you show here ever will talking like you had done in your post!

This is the only one and although last answer You'll ever get from me!

Cheers

[think_too_mut]

I thought Vista was a client OS why would you deploy it in a datacenter?

That's what I am saying. A Mickey Mouse OS for gamers and hobbists. Client to what? Home users that have servers and infrastructure to make Vista a client on one of their many servers? Give me a break.

Win NT 3.51, 4.0, Win 2000, Win 2003 were all deployed into data centers. Even XP Pro.

Without data centres (Linux has made big inroads into there) it's nothing.

[dsys]

That's what I am saying. A Mickey Mouse OS for gamers and hobbists. Client to what? Home users that have servers and infrastructure to make Vista a client on one of their many servers? Give me a break.

Win NT 3.51, 4.0, Win 2000, Win 2003 were all deployed into data centers. Even XP Pro.

Without data centres (Linux has made big inroads into there) it's nothing.

So what your saying is that microsoft's new client OS is no good because it was not designed to run on servers? Only servers are real computers. There is no need for client computers in the server client relationship...........

[dsys]

To go back to the original post......

I actually see this as a step forward for Microsoft's quality control. Which in XP and previous OS was lacking.

By the definitions I have worked to in the past. I have the following -

Patch - For critical fixes primarily related to security and critical interop

Service pack - For performance and minor fixes that are non critical

Feature packs - For adding or removing features in the opsystem not related to bugs

I think we may see MS releasing feature packs that will bring funtionality that was previously expected in SP1.